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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 22, 2015 12:37:04 GMT
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 22, 2015 13:36:34 GMT
Actually, I still have no words for that tripe, but I do have an image...
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 22, 2015 15:29:01 GMT
You can't carebear stare, with just one carebear can you? First Razimus, now this. Monkey see, monkey do.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 15:48:39 GMT
I find it very amusing. It just kills you guys to see anyone that is happy or positive lol. I hope there is something good in your life and that you have other things to do than sit and watch the Shroud forums. I can picture you like Eddie Murphy playing gumby. Merry Christmas Damnit!! as he is locked out of the house and looking in through the window crying.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 22, 2015 15:58:55 GMT
Some people are positive for the right reasons, some are just positive because they saw how we reacted to the first one and decided to troll us over there Razimus' thread was pure bullshit though. Be honest.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 16:10:25 GMT
Well, while you focus on the negative, I focus on the positive. I am not going to hate on anyone that posts what they want. I don't even hate on you guys. I just wonder why you have to have personal attacks when you are mad at Portalarium. I can understand if you feel you have been wronged or you feel you have not been represented, but personal attacks on people that just want to be happy and play the game? I guess you got your reasons but I am of a different mindset.
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Post by kb on Jul 22, 2015 16:12:04 GMT
I find it very amusing. It just kills you guys to see anyone that is happy or positive lol.
"We recognize your slimey weakness that's why you wage war against strength and the family and everything beautiful because you're a bunch of twisted, servile worms who've turned yourselves over to pure evil. GO BACK TO HADES WHERE YOU CAME FROM! CRAWL BACK THERE!!! YAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 16:17:58 GMT
*grabs popcorn* I wonder what a bystander who has nothing to do with the sota forums or the SU forums would think. Would they think sota is evil and twisted, or would they think these forums are evil and twisted. I think I know the answer to that.
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Post by kb on Jul 22, 2015 16:22:38 GMT
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 22, 2015 16:23:11 GMT
Well, while you focus on the negative, I focus on the positive. I am not going to hate on anyone that posts what they want. I don't even hate on you guys. I just wonder why you have to have personal attacks when you are mad at Portalarium. I can understand if you feel you have been wronged or you feel you have not been represented, but personal attacks on people that just want to be happy and play the game? I guess you got your reasons but I am of a different mindset. What I am so mad at Ravi, is that a fellow long time Ultima fan and gamer like Razimus can be so oblivious to what is happening around him. The main points he made are simply not true and I think even if you wouldn't use the word untrue, everything he posted couldn't sit right with you either. Critical thought. Use it.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 16:32:03 GMT
Well, while you focus on the negative, I focus on the positive. I am not going to hate on anyone that posts what they want. I don't even hate on you guys. I just wonder why you have to have personal attacks when you are mad at Portalarium. I can understand if you feel you have been wronged or you feel you have not been represented, but personal attacks on people that just want to be happy and play the game? I guess you got your reasons but I am of a different mindset. What I am so mad at Ravi, is that a fellow long time Ultima fan and gamer like Razimus can be so oblivious to what is happening around him. The main points he made are simply not true and I think even if you wouldn't use the word untrue, everything he posted couldn't sit right with you either. Critical thought. Use it. The whole thing is that it doesn't bother me either way. I don't let petty things get to me and eat me up inside anymore. I used to. I lived hating everything and judged everything. One thing I found out is that our opinion only matters to us, no one else cares really. I do value critical thinking however, I just choose to use it where it matters. I am not saying that it does not matter to you, I am saying that it does not matter to me.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 22, 2015 16:54:35 GMT
It matters to me only in the fact that I believe generally Portalarium is taking advantage of people. If a new player decides to come in and read that, they are going to think it is all flowers and honey. This is why I and this place exist in the current form.
It is funny, the bears of the caring variety over there would have equally interesting things to say about us. If only they were allowed!
Come here carebears, I won't bite...
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 17:11:37 GMT
It matters to me only in the fact that I believe generally Portalarium is taking advantage of people. If a new player decides to come in and read that, they are going to think it is all flowers and honey. This is why I and this place exist in the current form. It is funny, the bears of the caring variety over there would have equally interesting things to say about us. If only they were allowed! Come here carebears, I won't bite... Hrm, well I dont think portalarium has anything to do with what Razimus posted, but I do understand your statement. From my view point much of what has been moderated on the forums has been because of the toxic tone of the comments, not what actually was trying to be said. When things are framed in a sentence that makes people want to react combatantantly. If your dissent was structured in the form of discussion instead of from a do or die position you will get more attention. Same with this forum. You might get more discussion and traffic if it was not so toxic. But I understand that you do not want to moderate at all so you will get what you get. Its all about presentation though. Port might be to blame for some of it, but some of the blame belongs to the posters also.
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Post by fossil on Jul 22, 2015 17:23:06 GMT
It matters to me only in the fact that I believe generally Portalarium is taking advantage of people. If a new player decides to come in and read that, they are going to think it is all flowers and honey. This is why I and this place exist in the current form. It is funny, the bears of the caring variety over there would have equally interesting things to say about us. If only they were allowed! Come here carebears, I won't bite... Hrm, well I dont think portalarium has anything to do with what Razimus posted, but I do understand your statement. From my view point much of what has been moderated on the forums has been because of the toxic tone of the comments, not what actually was trying to be said. When things are framed in a sentence that makes people want to react combatantantly. If your dissent was structured in the form of discussion instead of from a do or die position you will get more attention. Same with this forum. You might get more discussion and traffic if it was not so toxic. But I understand that you do not want to moderate at all so you will get what you get. Its all about presentation though. Port might be to blame for some of it, but some of the blame belongs to the posters also. I would agree but unless you have the real facts behind bans your just assuming. My first ban was from posting a Video off youtube that was created by ccp. Nothing was said just one video that's comical and innocent. I'm usually a positive person but I don't like what I've seen from people's reviews on steam for the most part. Call a spade a spade if you will. How can you recommend something and then continue to talk about the ongoing issues? Is that a positive review or a spin on reality? I like honesty and I don't see it among people I see blinders. I just wanted a niche game to be true niche not a jack off all games. Cuz it can't be... The biggest issue that lays ahead is 2016, it's a very bad year to be releasing a game like this. There are far too many games (hopefully good) coming out and this just drops Sota down the list further. 2015 was the year to launch for success and they spent the time building castles...
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 22, 2015 17:24:08 GMT
Yeah it is the internet. I don't think you will ever come across a place that is %100 clean, and the more you try to force it you'll start to realize you end up with only those who agree with the people enforcing the forum. In this case and business model, that is just perfectly fine... For Portalarium. I myself got my start as a normal forum user. But as I and many others got chat bashed in IRC & Forum with arrogance to racial slurs by none other than the moderators selected to police the community, I became how shall we say... Insane in the Membrane Port are directly responsible for InsanemMembrane, not just some of me but all of me and everything that has come since for that one reason alone. Unprofessional moderators. But as I've recently said elsewhere, the more you look around at the pile of shit(moderators) the more you see. Following the smell back to the source is quite easy. As for port not being to blame for what Razimus posted... I don't know about that. They clearly mislead Razimus to a great degree and in my book that is wrong doing. This place isn't moderated, and you could be quite right. If I or someone were to spend the time to force people into certain trains of thoght, to discuss only what I saw as an end goal, or to say or do anything outside what they wanted to - it would go against my love of equality and ideal to discuss SotA openly... Even if we're all just calling each other flowers, right templara lulz. Now. Where is my fucking chaos medal Starr?
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 17:33:57 GMT
Hrm, well I dont think portalarium has anything to do with what Razimus posted, but I do understand your statement. From my view point much of what has been moderated on the forums has been because of the toxic tone of the comments, not what actually was trying to be said. When things are framed in a sentence that makes people want to react combatantantly. If your dissent was structured in the form of discussion instead of from a do or die position you will get more attention. Same with this forum. You might get more discussion and traffic if it was not so toxic. But I understand that you do not want to moderate at all so you will get what you get. Its all about presentation though. Port might be to blame for some of it, but some of the blame belongs to the posters also. I would agree but unless you have the real facts behind bans your just assuming. My first ban was from posting a Video off youtube that was created by ccp. Nothing was said just one video that's comical and innocent. I'm usually a positive person but I don't like what I've seen from people's reviews on steam for the most part. Call a spade a spade if you will. How can you recommend something and then continue to talk about the ongoing issues? Is that a positive review or a spin on reality? I like honesty and I don't see it among people I see blinders. I just wanted a niche game to be true niche not a jack off all games. Cuz it can't be... The biggest issue that lays ahead is 2016, is a very bad year to be releasing a game like this. There are far too many games (hopefully good) coming out and this just drops Sota down the list further. 2015 was the year to launch for success and they spent the time building castles... I understand this. Many of us (including me) have been banned. I have my reservations but I have come to terms with them. I have made my peace. The steam reviews from what I read are a mixed lot. Some of the people here made it a mission to post negative reviews. Some of the people posting are critical of the game and refuse to understand its in development and not a complete product. Some of them are legitimate and have value. I do share your feelings on the game should have been launched already, and I have had my highs and lows concerning development, but I know it will be coming out sometime, and I know that if its not rushed it will be a pretty decent game IMO. There are many people that are frustrated with the wait and would agree with you. Things are looking better and better now though, and release 20 might actually surprise many people on what it entails. I am looking forward to it.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 22, 2015 17:36:36 GMT
I find it very amusing. It just kills you guys to see anyone that is happy or positive lol. I hope there is something good in your life and that you have other things to do than sit and watch the Shroud forums. I can picture you like Eddie Murphy playing gumby. Merry Christmas Damnit!! as he is locked out of the house and looking in through the window crying. Hold up there. Some of us have accounts and haven't been banned on the Shroud forums, and even if we have, we still have game access. If anyone is sitting and watching forums they didn't pay to be a part of, ya, that would be you and all those dozens of others who are lurking right now. We must be one big and real entertainment. Because over at Shroud, that kind of "positive" nonsense is nothing more than fairy tales, not reality
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Post by Caliya on Jul 22, 2015 17:40:17 GMT
*grabs popcorn* I wonder what a bystander who has nothing to do with the sota forums or the SU forums would think. Would they think sota is evil and twisted, or would they think these forums are evil and twisted. I think I know the answer to that. You fail to realize that people who put up fairy tale BS to hide the truth are the real "evil." Keep writing your myths and hope people get sucked in. Maybe people scanning at a glance wouldn't recognize that. But people who actually know better would.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 17:42:47 GMT
I find it very amusing. It just kills you guys to see anyone that is happy or positive lol. I hope there is something good in your life and that you have other things to do than sit and watch the Shroud forums. I can picture you like Eddie Murphy playing gumby. Merry Christmas Damnit!! as he is locked out of the house and looking in through the window crying. Hold up there. Some of us have accounts and haven't been banned on the Shroud forums, and even if we have, we still have game access. If anyone is sitting and watching forums they didn't pay to be a part of, ya, that would be you and all those dozens of others who are lurking right now. We must be one big and real entertainment. Because over at Shroud, that kind of "positive" nonsense is nothing more than fairy tales, not reality I thought you sold your account and were done with SotA? And yes you guys do entertain me. I come over here to watch "days of our lives" style commenting.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 17:44:59 GMT
*grabs popcorn* I wonder what a bystander who has nothing to do with the sota forums or the SU forums would think. Would they think sota is evil and twisted, or would they think these forums are evil and twisted. I think I know the answer to that. You fail to realize that people who put up fairy tale BS to hide the truth are the real "evil." Keep writing your myths and hope people get sucked in. Maybe people scanning at a glance wouldn't recognize that. But people who actually know better would. *eats more popcorn* Yesssss, feel the rage....... Feel the power of the darkside.....!!!
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Post by templara on Jul 22, 2015 17:49:46 GMT
You can't carebear stare, with just one carebear can you? First Razimus, now this. Monkey see, monkey do. Actually you can hahahahhahahahahahhahaha. One crbr + one Port member.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 22, 2015 17:50:18 GMT
I would agree but unless you have the real facts behind bans your just assuming. My first ban was from posting a Video off youtube that was created by ccp. Nothing was said just one video that's comical and innocent. I'm usually a positive person but I don't like what I've seen from people's reviews on steam for the most part. Call a spade a spade if you will. How can you recommend something and then continue to talk about the ongoing issues? Is that a positive review or a spin on reality? I like honesty and I don't see it among people I see blinders. I just wanted a niche game to be true niche not a jack off all games. Cuz it can't be... The biggest issue that lays ahead is 2016, is a very bad year to be releasing a game like this. There are far too many games (hopefully good) coming out and this just drops Sota down the list further. 2015 was the year to launch for success and they spent the time building castles... I understand this. Many of us (including me) have been banned. I have my reservations but I have come to terms with them. I have made my peace. The steam reviews from what I read are a mixed lot. Some of the people here made it a mission to post negative reviews. Some of the people posting are critical of the game and refuse to understand its in development and not a complete product. Some of them are legitimate and have value. I do share your feelings on the game should have been launched already, and I have had my highs and lows concerning development, but I know it will be coming out sometime, and I know that if its not rushed it will be a pretty decent game IMO. There are many people that are frustrated with the wait and would agree with you. Things are looking better and better now though, and release 20 might actually surprise many people on what it entails. I am looking forward to it. The first Steam review I posted was negative, and I was not a part of this forum or any forum other than SotA. Then I changed my review to positive, had upgraded my RF pledge to Ancestor. I tried to say as many positive things as I could muster, but to be honest, it was very little. I kept holding out hope. But this POT BS just took it way over the top and exposed every crack I originally talked about and it all became one big chasm. It was at that point I changed my review to negative. No one in this forum asked anyone to go post a negative review. Whereas, good ol' boy Starr asked everyone to go write a positive review on Steam. If he hadn't done that, and people weren't lying through their teeth, that review would be below the mixed range. So the very things you accuse people of here, are exactly what they actually did over at Shroud, not here. You know Rav, it's called honesty, but more important, reality.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 22, 2015 17:53:49 GMT
Hold up there. Some of us have accounts and haven't been banned on the Shroud forums, and even if we have, we still have game access. If anyone is sitting and watching forums they didn't pay to be a part of, ya, that would be you and all those dozens of others who are lurking right now. We must be one big and real entertainment. Because over at Shroud, that kind of "positive" nonsense is nothing more than fairy tales, not reality I thought you sold your account and were done with SotA? And yes you guys do entertain me. I come over here to watch "days of our lives" style commenting. Oh yes, I sold my account and don't have the money yet, so if that falls through, I still have my account. And even if it doesn't, I'm still stuck with a $45 pledge because I was a fool and linked it to Steam. I can't get out of that, and that is just BS.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 22, 2015 17:55:53 GMT
You fail to realize that people who put up fairy tale BS to hide the truth are the real "evil." Keep writing your myths and hope people get sucked in. Maybe people scanning at a glance wouldn't recognize that. But people who actually know better would. *eats more popcorn* Yesssss, feel the rage....... Feel the power of the darkside.....!!! Funny because I don't feel angry at you at all. People keep saying I'm so aggressive and angry over at the forums. I am angry at Port for the POT fiasco, and other horrible decisions. But that has nothing to do with your posts. Just a little reminder: your post would have been deleted over at Shroud, just like mine. At least you get to eat your popcorn and be entertained.
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Post by templara on Jul 22, 2015 17:56:17 GMT
Omg, Insane.…… ..... only now I made the connection between Caliya's avatar and the replacement u use for the word flower here ahahahhahaha
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Post by templara on Jul 22, 2015 17:56:39 GMT
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by fossil on Jul 22, 2015 17:58:32 GMT
I thought you sold your account and were done with SotA? And yes you guys do entertain me. I come over here to watch "days of our lives" style commenting. Oh yes, I sold my account and don't have the money yet, so if that falls through, I still have my account. And even if it doesn't, I'm still stuck with a $45 pledge because I was a fool and linked it to Steam. I can't get out of that, and that is just BS. I miss my old peers from valve. Once they were innovative now they are just straight up greed mongers...
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 17:59:56 GMT
I understand this. Many of us (including me) have been banned. I have my reservations but I have come to terms with them. I have made my peace. The steam reviews from what I read are a mixed lot. Some of the people here made it a mission to post negative reviews. Some of the people posting are critical of the game and refuse to understand its in development and not a complete product. Some of them are legitimate and have value. I do share your feelings on the game should have been launched already, and I have had my highs and lows concerning development, but I know it will be coming out sometime, and I know that if its not rushed it will be a pretty decent game IMO. There are many people that are frustrated with the wait and would agree with you. Things are looking better and better now though, and release 20 might actually surprise many people on what it entails. I am looking forward to it. The first Steam review I posted was negative, and I was not a part of this forum or any forum other than SotA. Then I changed my review to positive, had upgraded my RF pledge to Ancestor. I tried to say as many positive things as I could muster, but to be honest, it was very little. I kept holding out hope. But this POT BS just took it way over the top and exposed every crack I originally talked about and it all became one big chasm. It was at that point I changed my review to negative. No one in this forum asked anyone to go post a negative review. Whereas, good ol' boy Starr asked everyone to go write a positive review on Steam. If he hadn't done that, and people weren't lying through their teeth, that review would be below the mixed range. So the very things you accuse people of here, are exactly what they actually did over at Shroud, not here. You know Rav, it's called honesty, but more important, reality. I don't think I have accused anyone over here. I have tried to be civil. My opening comment here was maybe a little humor but it still is somewhat the truth, as I can picture it in my head that way. I am being honest in my posts also. I understand your frustration as I went through that also. In the beginning I was anti Player owned towns. I do not fault you for any positive or negative posts. I do not find fault with Starr doing what he did. He did not beg people to go and post positive. He suggested posting over there. Anyone in their right mind with money invested in a game wants to make it succeed. Or maybe not, I know I want it to succeed. Reality is subjective, and perceptions of reality are subjective. You may not see things the way others do, and thats alright. It does not make anyone right or wrong though, just different.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 22, 2015 18:08:34 GMT
What do you say, Membrane_on_Vacation - that we start charging $5 for the privilege to post here? And only people that agree with us? lol I mean, Rav there is getting free entertainment and bitching about it. Wutup wit dat
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 22, 2015 18:10:52 GMT
*goes to make some more popcorn* IM would never do that, that would be a form of moderation. Hey, show me where I am bitchin about anything. I am being constructive.
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