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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 23, 2015 3:12:56 GMT
No facts? That picture is worth 1000 words, most of them being; antiquated. 7+ Million in Shroud and what are they doing with it, blowing their wad on shit that I didn't sign up to or even hear about in the kick start.
So yeah, I'm a little fucked off at that. You can say I'm angry if you want, I'm angry that Richard's team fucked me. I don't care what the reason is, I see you posted it here about players wanting more lots and that is posted over on SotA forum too but you know what? If you're good at your job, you tell your backers "You know what guys, that is a great idea and it is something we can take a look at going forward but we need to deliver our game and kick start first."
Just like they do with everything we request now which DOESN'T make them $$$$.
So yeah if you guys really need to point the finger at someone and say, ohhh yeah he is just a brainless and completely unfounded hater, you'd be most accurate pointing that at me. But you still won't be 100 % correct.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 23, 2015 3:13:01 GMT
Did you just role-play at me, bro?
"I hope you find peace"? Are you trying to impress people with your shallow attempt at displaying some half-ass internet zen?
There are some 13-year-old girls on AOL circa 1997 who would love to be wooed by your mysterious wisdom. Go get 'em, Ray.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 23, 2015 3:23:14 GMT
ROFL Pretty sure dewd is doing fine brah. He's a little bit above all this. Well you. You're the sad little soul writing a poem about a game that clearly has issues then travel to a forum dedicated to highlighting these issues in order to put down said forum members as nothing more then bitter hollow shells . Not sure on the reasoning though. But hats off to having the balls to post your creation I do respect that its easier for dicks to criticize then create. So you are better then me in that regard. I also commend you coming here I just wish you came with a little more substance. 3/5 Themo is still on top of the leader board with constructive conversation and criticism of our little cult. Ya, I dont claim to be better than any of you. I have many faults. I am sure that most people know them lol. I can relate to you guys in some ways also. What I have noticed though is instead of you guys helping each other, you guys feed off of negativity. The whole reason for me posting is because I know from experience that this is a hard path, and an unhealthy path, at least it was for me. I have no problem with criticism or discussing right or wrong. Its when it consumes you to the point that it becomes your life to dwell in hate and look for the littlest flaw to feed the rage. Its even worse when you start pointing out actual people instead of the business that your actually mad at. These people are just like you and I, they have feelings, they hurt, they feel, and they worry. Maybe some of them have tried to dismiss you but for the most part they are just wanting to support the game that they have donated to. I know its easy to get wrapped up in a pity party and support each other in the cause, but what is the cause really. If we are all adults, we should be able to understand that shit happens. We should be able to be accountable and say that I jumped in, it was not what I wanted, and take your medicine. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. But what good can come out of just mindless bashing and mayhem. Sure it makes you feel better, but honestly anyone that comes to this forum to actually find answers is going to have to wade through a ton of sewage to find them. I am just being honest.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 23, 2015 3:26:24 GMT
ROFL Pretty sure dewd is doing fine brah. He's a little bit above all this. Well you. You're the sad little soul writing a poem about a game that clearly has issues then travel to a forum dedicated to highlighting these issues in order to put down said forum members as nothing more then bitter hollow shells . Not sure on the reasoning though. But hats off to having the balls to post your creation I do respect that its easier for dicks to criticize then create. So you are better then me in that regard. I also commend you coming here I just wish you came with a little more substance. 3/5 Themo is still on top of the leader board with constructive conversation and criticism of our little cult. Ya, I dont claim to be better than any of you. I have many faults. I am sure that most people know them lol. I can relate to you guys in some ways also. What I have noticed though is instead of you guys helping each other, you guys feed off of negativity. The whole reason for me posting is because I know from experience that this is a hard path, and an unhealthy path, at least it was for me. I have no problem with criticism or discussing right or wrong. Its when it consumes you to the point that it becomes your life to dwell in hate and look for the littlest flaw to feed the rage. Its even worse when you start pointing out actual people instead of the business that your actually mad at. These people are just like you and I, they have feelings, they hurt, they feel, and they worry. Maybe some of them have tried to dismiss you but for the most part they are just wanting to support the game that they have donated to. I know its easy to get wrapped up in a pity party and support each other in the cause, but what is the cause really. If we are all adults, we should be able to understand that shit happens. We should be able to be accountable and say that I jumped in, it was not what I wanted, and take your medicine. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. But what good can come out of just mindless bashing and mayhem. Sure it makes you feel better, but honestly anyone that comes to this forum to actually find answers is going to have to wade through a ton of sewage to find them. I am just being honest. Wtf Is this Psychology 101? Dude shit angle based on a pathetically weak hypothesis. Do you want a box of chocolate?
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 23, 2015 3:31:16 GMT
Well I don't actually expect you guys to understand. Its all good. I'll just keep reading and eating my popcorn. I hope some of you actually understand what I have tried to show you though. I hold no hostility to any of you.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 23, 2015 3:49:24 GMT
My wife is laughing her ass off at the shit this guy is posting.
Appreciate the words of wisdom and deep insight, SotA messiah.
Although, good on you for having at least one testicle to drop in and post.
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Post by Mordecai on Jul 23, 2015 3:50:42 GMT
Dodgy may be irked by parts of your post Ravicus, but overall I find it humanizing. The fact that words said here can cause pain for others is a strong reality worth being aware of. And as much as I hate to admit it, I love chocolate, especially dark chocolate, or chocolate with almonds, macadamia nuts, or ground coffee beans. Even milk chocolate and white chocolate are alright on occasion. Seriously, WHO DOESN'T LIKE CHOCOLATE? Edit: Caliya likes chocolate.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 23, 2015 4:40:38 GMT
Well I don't actually expect you guys to understand. Its all good. I'll just keep reading and eating my popcorn. I hope some of you actually understand what I have tried to show you though. I hold no hostility to any of you. Ravi, if you were to have everyone here go over there, what you have us do? In what way would you have us voice our concerns and have discussions? Most of us here are adults, and have tried many avenues of support like kb has before retrieving our pitchforks, but one thing seems to remain the same. That one thing is that Starr keeps getting up and talking about how transparent and inclusive they are, while at home in the forum it is nothing but cock blocking and banning. It is pretty clear that the Devs have already selected community members they want to deal with in order to fulfil their "requirements" to consider what they are doing crowdsourcing. The rest of us have been left out in the cold. You are welcome here any time, and I wish more would come talk to us about this kind of stuff. Though I wish you guys would take off Lum's Glasses... insanemembrain.wordpress.com/2015/05/05/lums-glasses/
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 23, 2015 5:17:20 GMT
Putting people down brings upbeat to the forum? That's kind of sick really. Who did I put down? unscrupulous souls that plot, truly a sorted lot, They curse us at a black mass. If you were any more "upbeat" you could be considered emo.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 23, 2015 5:17:52 GMT
I wrote SEVERAL PMs directly to Starr, and with my blessings, a respected community member even shared some of our PM conversations on a variety of topics with Starr (who then added Dallas and Rick to the conversation at one point). These were PMs about topics like the pledge tier changes, the Steam Review Request, and how terrible the first incarnation of the E3 trailer was (with its emphasis on the cool swag that could be bought in the add-on store). Mate that E3 trailer was fucking disgusting. Here is what I said about it at the time myself: "The only thing that I have come across so far in this SotA project which was as bad, maybe worse, than this was when the Trailer came out. I swear to christ when I heard the Guardian’s voice again it nearly brought a tear to my eye. Only to be chased away by disbelief at the end where the Guardian started to prattle on and plug the SotA online store. That was pretty fucked up, and this is all making me wonder if the game will make it into the fifth and final episode or…Will they simply crank the first episode out which completes the majority of their kickstart promise and then cancel and refund some of the rest? This level of dishonesty and secrecy for lack of better words cannot stand, there is more to the topic but I've had enough for now and then some. See the link above where you can read a lot of stuff on this." insanemembrain.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/shroud-of-the-avatar-stretch-goals-unobtanium/
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Post by Caliya on Jul 23, 2015 5:22:33 GMT
*eats some more popcorn and enjoys the speculation* You sir waste your talents. Another long and meaningless post to play on others emotions and have no facts presented. You obviously are hurt and are striking back at anyone who does not see things the way you do. Again, I think you are above this. Your hurt and pain shows because a normal person will just move on. You even said you made a slight profit. Now its your mission to be bitter at port, and you let it consume you. You have passion, and it shows. As with poets and writers passion can lead to depression. Its a lonely existence when all you do is hate. I hope you find peace. You're sure eating a lot of popcorn. Do you regularly pork out like that? If you can't stick to your own poems and forum, why are you bothering us here? Because you can't let it go. You can have your little fan club over there and wank each other, but think it's a problem when some of us have enjoyment laughing at the stupidity over there. Seems someone can't stand to be talked about honestly. You can't whine to the moderator here or there. Oh, what will you do? I think your box of tissue is running out. Drop that popcorn and go to the store and get some more.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 23, 2015 5:24:18 GMT
Well I don't actually expect you guys to understand. Its all good. I'll just keep reading and eating my popcorn. I hope some of you actually understand what I have tried to show you though. I hold no hostility to any of you. You think too much of yourself. You're not capable of showing anyone anything. Well, except your own little fucked up SotA "gated community" of the last 12 people who still think the game might actually succeed.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 23, 2015 5:39:41 GMT
Ya, I dont claim to be better than any of you. I have many faults. I am sure that most people know them lol. I can relate to you guys in some ways also. What I have noticed though is instead of you guys helping each other, you guys feed off of negativity. The whole reason for me posting is because I know from experience that this is a hard path, and an unhealthy path, at least it was for me. I have no problem with criticism or discussing right or wrong. Its when it consumes you to the point that it becomes your life to dwell in hate and look for the littlest flaw to feed the rage. Its even worse when you start pointing out actual people instead of the business that your actually mad at. These people are just like you and I, they have feelings, they hurt, they feel, and they worry. Maybe some of them have tried to dismiss you but for the most part they are just wanting to support the game that they have donated to. I know its easy to get wrapped up in a pity party and support each other in the cause, but what is the cause really. If we are all adults, we should be able to understand that shit happens. We should be able to be accountable and say that I jumped in, it was not what I wanted, and take your medicine. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. But what good can come out of just mindless bashing and mayhem. Sure it makes you feel better, but honestly anyone that comes to this forum to actually find answers is going to have to wade through a ton of sewage to find them. I am just being honest. This had me LOL. No seriously. That "I know from experience that this is a hard path, and an unhealthy path, at least it was for me. " is so true - you want to know why? The road of truth and reality is much harder because you get people trying to throw shit in your way at every turn and try to convince you that you're wrong. Walking a path of actual virtues, not lying and saying it's virtuous, is hard. It's really easy, a very easy path to lie through your teeth in order to rope in innocent victims to give you money. To spend thousands of dollars to try to buy your way to a title and people bowing to you in your own little self-created POTs and "kingdoms." It's a very sad thing to think that people are so lonely and miserable they have to pay that much money to try to rule other people and take advantage of them by "renting" them property that SotA should have created for them. Not some blood sucking land owner. You see, I come here and finally see people are telling the truth and it's OK to speak the truth without my posts getting deleted or having a moderator tell me my "behavior is inappropriate." Guess what? I'm not a child. I felt humiliated over at the SotA forum with every damn post removal. But I don't here. I feel like these guys actually listen to me even if they don't agree with some things I say. There are things some of the members here believe in, that I do not. But we at least have a common ground even when we agree to disagree. On the other hand, over at Shroud, you can't disagree without getting your hand slapped. I mean seriously. You tell me what is the harder path. What you call negativity is the truth unmasked from the mind games you all play over there. All of you stalked me to try to intimidate me into silence, by following me. I mean, who is the sad, pathetic people that are hurt? You all most certainly, so much so that you can't stand to hear dissent, so you delete it and ban people. Yet you all come over here because you can't resist hearing the truth. Lurking in the shadows because you can't engage in an honest discussion. You need team tagging to be "right." I don't need everyone here to agree with me. But I do feel very liberated in being able to speak my mind.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 23, 2015 5:50:29 GMT
Besides, we get to agree that we like chocolate, and can call each other shitheads and flowers.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 23, 2015 6:18:36 GMT
Besides, we get to agree that we like chocolate, and can call each other shitheads and flowers.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 23, 2015 10:53:35 GMT
I am honored that you guys are so offended by me lol. Honestly I wonder what I really did to earn your scorn. I think I must have hit a nerve because this bee hive is a buzzing. I do not mean to detract you from your drama so please continue. You are really showing me up here!
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Post by dodgy on Jul 23, 2015 11:00:16 GMT
I am honored that you guys are so offended by me lol. Honestly I wonder what I really did to earn your scorn. I think I must have hit a nerve because this bee hive is a buzzing. I do not mean to detract you from your drama so please continue. You are really showing me up here! This guy... >uses smug tone >tries a holier than thou attitude >tries to act intellectually superior >probably giggling with his fanboi flowers "Look at how im trolling IM" tee hee hee >moar poems
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 23, 2015 11:10:42 GMT
I am honored that you guys are so offended by me lol. Honestly I wonder what I really did to earn your scorn. I think I must have hit a nerve because this bee hive is a buzzing. I do not mean to detract you from your drama so please continue. You are really showing me up here! This guy... >uses smug tone >tries a holier than thou attitude >tries to act intellectually superior >probably giggling with his fanboi flowers "Look at how im trolling IM" tee hee hee >moar poems I suppose anything other than being negative would look like that. When you see someone that chooses not to be negative and wants to create a dialog this is what happens I choose to not talk like a 7th grade giggly school girl who thinks they are cool by demeaning a girl they are jealous of. Thats probably our disconnect. I don't think I am better or holier than thou, I just think you are not able to clear the opening hurdles lol.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 23, 2015 11:14:02 GMT
This guy... >uses smug tone >tries a holier than thou attitude >tries to act intellectually superior >probably giggling with his fanboi flowers "Look at how im trolling IM" tee hee hee >moar poems I suppose anything other than being negative would look like that. When you see someone that chooses not to be negative and wants to create a dialog this is what happens I choose to not talk like a 7th grade giggly school girl who thinks they are cool by demeaning a girl they are jealous of. Thats probably our disconnect. I don't think I am better or holier than thou, I just think you are not able to clear the opening hurdles lol. Sorry Jesus. Im gonna run to the Romans now and taddle tale
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 23, 2015 11:16:57 GMT
Raise the bar my friend! Unless we can have a dialog, and not just childish insults, this will never be more than a soap opera.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 23, 2015 11:21:39 GMT
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Post by nemolives on Jul 23, 2015 12:06:28 GMT
Raise the bar my friend! Unless we can have a dialog, and not just childish insults, this will never be more than a soap opera. How does "*eats popcorn*" expand the dialogue? It's a self confessed statement of being addicted to watching soap operas. And is that usually considered a sign of a highly tuned mind, would you say? Eating pop corn and watching soap operas? Especially when you know it offends the people you're trying to talk too; Shouldn't someone supposedly stronger recognise that this isn't effective, and have the self discipline to take the higher road? Instead, it sounds more like you're still struggling with your own daemons, and you want people here to validate your strength, but the only way you know how to try and ask for that is by throwing out your "past" weaknesses again and desperately trying to prove strength by comparison to "now". Yet "now" it just looks like this forum, and it's daemonic characters, are the hat that's wearing you still. They look in control, not you. Or you're just trolling. But only weak minds need to do either, or pay attention to those who do. So this is the only post you'll get from me; I'm not interested in a debate with you, because trolling or not, you're still not a positive influence despite what you want to persuade others of. Especially not when that need is deployed in defence of increasingly shady business practices like Portalarium show. There lies the real test; when you can fight an entire company that produces something you desperately want to love, because now it's doing now is Wrong; even if it alienates you from many people that you wished you could get along with by doing so; if you can still do what's Right even though the world doesn't make it easy, but not pity yourself for the results whilst doing it, and instead be proud; THEN you've proven you're a strong and decent individual. Turning up and "poking the bee hive" just shows you're still addicted to tormenting the weak. And shows you remain weak yourself too. Come back when you've genuinely overcome yourself, and try starting a conversation again. Maybe then you'll be worth being part of it too, or at least know that worth inherently, instead of having to beg online lunatics for acknowledgement and security.
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Post by kb on Jul 23, 2015 13:41:22 GMT
Besides, we get to agree that we like chocolate, and can call each other shitheads and flowers. I PITY THE FOOL WHO CALLS ME FLOWER!!!
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 23, 2015 13:52:20 GMT
Raise the bar my friend! Unless we can have a dialog, and not just childish insults, this will never be more than a soap opera. Bro, read back and address my questions and comment to you.
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Post by kb on Jul 23, 2015 13:55:10 GMT
Mate that E3 trailer was fucking disgusting. Here is what I said about it at the time myself: "The only thing that I have come across so far in this SotA project which was as bad, maybe worse, than this was when the Trailer came out. I swear to christ when I heard the Guardian’s voice again it nearly brought a tear to my eye. Only to be chased away by disbelief at the end where the Guardian started to prattle on and plug the SotA online store. That was pretty fucked up, and this is all making me wonder if the game will make it into the fifth and final episode or…Will they simply crank the first episode out which completes the majority of their kickstart promise and then cancel and refund some of the rest? This level of dishonesty and secrecy for lack of better words cannot stand, there is more to the topic but I've had enough for now and then some. See the link above where you can read a lot of stuff on this." insanemembrain.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/shroud-of-the-avatar-stretch-goals-unobtanium/I don't think I had much knowledge of who you were at that point (I might have seen a bit of your stuff, but I wrongly chalked you up to just being some crazy troll). But, whenever it was when I actually spent some real time looking around your blog, I remember seeing your "unobtanium" post and the comments about the E3 trailer. I knew you weren't just a troll then because I felt exactly the same way. You nailed what it took me quite awhile to articulate to others (and myself) and it was a relief to see that I wasn't just some lunatic voice in the wilderness who was seeing problems where there was none. Seriously, it took a long time after I backed before I went back to trusting my initial gut feelings that SotA was not on the up and up. Seeing another person articulate something that I had finally managed to say in private to a respected member of the SotA community was a big part of the reawakening of my good sense (despite Nemo's likely conclusion that I am just one of the many demonic lunatics running wild over here). "Lunatic fringe We all know you're out there Can you feel the resistance? Can you feel the thunder?"
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Post by dodgy on Jul 23, 2015 14:00:43 GMT
Mate that E3 trailer was fucking disgusting. Here is what I said about it at the time myself: "The only thing that I have come across so far in this SotA project which was as bad, maybe worse, than this was when the Trailer came out. I swear to christ when I heard the Guardian’s voice again it nearly brought a tear to my eye. Only to be chased away by disbelief at the end where the Guardian started to prattle on and plug the SotA online store. That was pretty fucked up, and this is all making me wonder if the game will make it into the fifth and final episode or…Will they simply crank the first episode out which completes the majority of their kickstart promise and then cancel and refund some of the rest? This level of dishonesty and secrecy for lack of better words cannot stand, there is more to the topic but I've had enough for now and then some. See the link above where you can read a lot of stuff on this." insanemembrain.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/shroud-of-the-avatar-stretch-goals-unobtanium/I don't think I had much knowledge of who you were at that point (I might have seen a bit of your stuff, but I wrongly chalked you up to just being some crazy troll). But, whenever it was when I actually spent some real time looking around your blog, I remember seeing your "unobtanium" post and the comments about the E3 trailer. I knew you weren't just a troll then because I felt exactly the same way. You nailed what it took me quite awhile to articulate to others (and myself) and it was a relief to see that I wasn't just some lunatic voice in the wilderness who was seeing problems where there was none. Seriously, it took a long time after I backed before I went back to trusting my initial gut feelings that SotA was not on the up and up. Seeing another person articulate something that I had finally managed to say in private to a respected member of the SotA community was a big part of the reawakening of my good sense (despite Nemo's likely conclusion that I am just one of the many demonic lunatics running wild over here). "Lunatic fringe We all know you're out there Can you feel the resistance? Can you feel the thunder?"Yeah I was the same. Hell i had a crack at dewd several times on the forums. Then what dewd and others said started nagging in the back of my mind. THen yeah now. Its like you need that affirmation you arent the only one to get a grip on your gut screaming at you that something is terribly wrong
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Post by kb on Jul 23, 2015 14:01:45 GMT
WHO DOESN'T LIKE CHOCOLATE? Milk chocolate is fine -- but fudge, chocolate cake, and chocolate ice cream can go get fucked. So there!, you shithead weasel-hater.
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Post by Mordecai on Jul 23, 2015 14:21:02 GMT
WHO DOESN'T LIKE CHOCOLATE? Milk chocolate is fine -- but fudge, chocolate cake, and chocolate ice cream can go get fucked. So there!, you shithead weasel-hater. You lead a deprived life, but we'll see where your true loyalties lie when the Chocolatier Kit is released in the SotA Add-On Store! And I'm not a weasel hater, just a birds' rights enthusiast.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 23, 2015 15:05:34 GMT
*Eats Cheesy Poofs and watches the drama*
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 23, 2015 16:24:37 GMT
*Eats Cheesy Poofs and watches the drama* Yup, Cheesy Poofs. Suits you a lot better than popcorn.
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