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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 5:27:07 GMT
I had a 14yr old kid jump in and ask me a few questions about that word, so I decided to clean it up before he got my board deleted!
Please vote above.
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Post by Gunga_Din on Feb 13, 2015 5:30:56 GMT
The community manager is irrelevant at this point. Only the developers and game creator make a difference.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 5:32:30 GMT
The community manager is irrelevant at this point. Only the developers and game creator make a difference. Well. Consider how often and how much the Devs claim they ask us for info. How often they say they take their direction from us, the community. Forget for the moment that they are full of shit, and don't ask for much and ignore most of the suggestions anyway. Then it comes down to community management, when people get banned for stating facts like Joviex and to some degree myself, it certainly is partly community management.
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Post by Gunga_Din on Feb 13, 2015 5:34:56 GMT
i've posted 1000 times giving them advice, its their fault for not listening to me. Face it , SotA is a fish out of water at this time.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 5:38:06 GMT
Yes, Devs fault there to be sure. Maybe not for the fact they don't listen, but Starr is always going on about his "Ecosystem" - well, the Ecosystem is broken, there is no process or framework between the Devs and the Community to actually facilitate communication to any degree at all. That is why it has fallen onto the community management team so heavily. People get shitty, even if they just post facts, those facts paint Shroud of the Avatar in the light in which it actually is, makes them look bad and they are forced to delete it so newcomers don't pass on pledging.
At best it is brutally dishonest for them to do so. At worst, Portalarium as a whole is cheating people out of good money.
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Feb 13, 2015 5:50:33 GMT
First off, that is complete bullshit on moderating a thread like that, are you really going to play that game?
As I was attempting to say in the thread that got FireLotus deleted.
I wanted gungadin to recommend a word better than that word, that describes a person that goes out of their way to do things for personal gain, for personal issues, to protect a corrupt company. Someone that leaves a shit storm of fucktardery as they unrightfully remove legitimate people, threads, etc Someone that obviously has no remorse over purging all these things and continues the tyranny. Someone that pretty much does nothing community related, can barely use a computer, pretty much is useless in this field and they never try to improve in that position.
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Post by Gunga_Din on Feb 13, 2015 5:54:25 GMT
First off, that is complete bullshit on moderating a thread like that, are you really going to play that game? As I was attempting to say in the thread that got FireLotus deleted. I wanted gungadin to recommend a word better than that word, that describes a person that goes out of their way to do things for personal gain, for personal issues, to protect a corrupt company. Someone that leaves a shit storm of fucktardery as they unrightfully remove legitimate people, threads, etc Someone that obviously has no remorse over purging all these things and continues the tyranny. Someone that pretty much does nothing community related, can barely use a computer, pretty much is useless in this field and they never try to improve in that position. I'll say it again, FL has done nothing to deserve the that word being used to describe her. She has banned me personally , but I would never use that term to describe her. I would never lower myself to that level. People that post those type of terms on a forum are cowards. Hiding behind their computer with no respect for the people they hurt with those type of comments. It does the game and its community no good.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 5:57:34 GMT
First off, that is complete bullshit on moderating a thread like that, are you really going to play that game? As I was attempting to say in the thread that got FireLotus deleted. I wanted gungadin to recommend a word better than that word, that describes a person that goes out of their way to do things for personal gain, for personal issues, to protect a corrupt company. Someone that leaves a shit storm of fucktardery as they unrightfully remove legitimate people, threads, etc Someone that obviously has no remorse over purging all these things and continues the tyranny. Someone that pretty much does nothing community related, can barely use a computer, pretty much is useless in this field and they never try to improve in that position. Yes, but, prove to me that she is at the helm of the ship when it comes to that. I think her responsibilities as far as community management go are to school the idiot moderators there on basic function and blocking of stuff like, that word lol. I can almost guarantee you that she is not the one that is calling the shots to protect Portalarium's ass when it comes to blocking people like Joviex for simpliy typing the gods honest truth into a post and clicking the Go button. That probably goes way over her head, and that is where most of the hate for this specific issue should be going. Even if she clicks the banhammer, that policy must be written by someone like Starr or Richard. Straight from the top.
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Feb 13, 2015 6:04:24 GMT
So you'll just be a pushover and let this that word walk all over everyone? Sorry bro but there is nothing an average person can do other than talk truthful shit, not sure what you expect to happen other than the things you describe as cowardly. How about all the people that got hurt being banned, moderated, treated terribly by her? those people don't matter to you because you have a FireLotus fettish? Sometimes harsh criticism is good for someone, they might look at it and change, but if it's not there and fanboys keep cheering them on, they will never change. She definitely deserves it for all the people that she has messed with.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 6:11:48 GMT
You have to criticize the right people though. What good would it do for example to simply replace FireLotus with a person who is just going to do what Lord Starrbritish does? The emphasis and ownership must be placed where it belongs, if you chase FireLotus away then you simply just get someone else how does the same damn thing. Let us smash the right people, and see if we can't bring about a real difference? Also on the that word - I am pretty sure if we keep using it, the host of this site is going to kill the board. We should stop if we wish to keep it, after all it was your suggestion to have one I don't care either way, I still has my blog!
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Feb 13, 2015 6:15:22 GMT
As I said before I highly doubt that she is calling to head office for every move that she makes, thee is obviously some personal on the spot action going on there. Also as I said before, if she is innocent, taking orders, why would she put up with such extreme bullshit? Someone that puts up with having to execute such extreme measures obviously has something wrong with them, or they are in the game themselves, thinking it's right. If she had any sign of not being a bad manager within her, she would of called bullshit on the higher above a long time ago, not suffer through it. What type of person wants to be associated with stuff like what she's doing? have their name all over it? someone that doesn't give a fuck. useless manager.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 6:19:06 GMT
Oh I bet she has her grudges, everyone does. Especially moderators on a power trip like Mystic. She doesn't call head office every time, why would she. But, who knows, maybe she just hides the post and tags it for review by someone like Lord Starrbritish who makes the final call on the post/ban.
FireLotus isn't stupid, I will put money on the fact that as a community manager she has told the people above her that if you ban this user for that reason and kill that post for this reason then you are going to look bad and people are going to take it badly. But ya know what... Everyone needs to do something for work!
I still have some blame for her indirectly, but, the majority of it needs to be placed on the current Wizard of Oz, the jizz stain behind the curtain we don't quite know about yet. We need to flush that fucker out.
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Feb 13, 2015 6:23:59 GMT
I'll stop saying it if it's going to get you shut down. Are there site rules here that need to followed that we should know about? I haven't read over much other than this tread yet.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 6:28:31 GMT
No I haven't posted any rules, didn't think I would have to and I don't want to limit my users at all. But, as with anything the T&C of the forum hosting provider place everything on the users and not themselves. Check it: 17. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEFAMATORY COMMENTS You agree and understand that you may be held legally responsible for damages suffered by other Website members or third-parties as the result of Your remarks, information, feedback or other content posted or made available on the Website that is deemed defamatory or otherwise legally actionable. Under the Federal Communications Decency Act of 1996, ProBoards is not legally responsible, nor can it be held liable for damages of any kind, arising out of or in connection to any defamatory or otherwise legally actionable remarks, information, feedback or other content posted or made available on the Website. So I'd rather not be on the ass end of a legal stick At best, they'd just kill the forum probably. If you don't mind, I can edit the word for you, or you can. But I like the discussion points!
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Feb 13, 2015 6:51:15 GMT
After reading that I think it would really put a limit on what we would feel comfortable saying. Should look for a better setup somewhere else without that, if there is one.
I know this could be wrong but I've heard her talk about how she sometimes moderates threads on the forums and it was stated that she does sometimes move threads to be reviewed, also that if strict actions like this are taken, that it is performed by her. That being said, maybe she isn't always the one deciding if something, someone stays or goes, but she is in fact the person sitting there deciding what she puts up for review in that case. I'm sure she could let a lot of things slide but she doesn't and I've seen very minor legitmate opposing theads disappear quickly. This method doesn't really explain the steam moderation, deleting, banning, unless those actions are indeed coming straight from higher above. If you took her out of the equation totally, I'm not sure we would be seeing the same effect with a new person stepping in, some people do have working standards and will put their foot down, especially when they will be labeled badly for the type of actions performed.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 7:06:32 GMT
Yeah, I'd love to know who is at the top crushing us all with these Bans / Thread deletions!
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Post by chodekiller on Feb 13, 2015 15:52:59 GMT
Yes, FireLotus is useless. We have had a long fall from the original community manager Lady MOI who was at least pleasing to the eyes.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 13, 2015 16:53:17 GMT
I've never even heard of Lady MOI before. I can attest to one thing though, the better they look the less they know... Sounds like Lady MOI would be better off somewhere like Twitch where she can take her pants off and wear a low cut shirt.
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Post by Gunga_Din on Feb 14, 2015 2:19:18 GMT
Who the hell is lady moi?
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Post by Joviex on Feb 14, 2015 2:40:09 GMT
Yes, Devs fault there to be sure. Maybe not for the fact they don't listen, but Starr is always going on about his "Ecosystem" - well, the Ecosystem is broken, there is no process or framework between the Devs and the Community to actually facilitate communication to any degree at all. So, interesting that its come down to this, because some asshole posted about it early on, then again a few months later, which seemed to get some attention, and then of course, fall into the shit pile of broken dreams: This was first done in DEV+ (if you can read it): www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/where-is-the-actual-developer-back-and-forth.2693/Then I poked the bear when they (silently) removed forum titles and then back peddled on the openness of the forums: www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/forum-titles-gone.5936/This is how the project started. I expected it to maybe have a chance to change, or take everyone's "good" ideas, but the only thing that kept coming up is how busy they were, and that the people who were not developing (when FL didnt have but a single job -- to manage community) also didn't have the time to deal with stuff. This is all in the early days when we had even LESS people on the forums.
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Post by Joviex on Feb 14, 2015 2:51:07 GMT
First off, that is complete bullshit on moderating a thread like that, are you really going to play that game? As I was attempting to say in the thread that got FireLotus deleted. I wanted gungadin to recommend a word better than that word, that describes a person that goes out of their way to do things for personal gain, for personal issues, to protect a corrupt company. Someone that leaves a shit storm of fucktardery as they unrightfully remove legitimate people, threads, etc Someone that obviously has no remorse over purging all these things and continues the tyranny. Someone that pretty much does nothing community related, can barely use a computer, pretty much is useless in this field and they never try to improve in that position. Yes, but, prove to me that she is at the helm of the ship when it comes to that. I think her responsibilities as far as community management go are to school the idiot moderators there on basic function and blocking of stuff like, that word lol. I can almost guarantee you that she is not the one that is calling the shots to protect Portalarium's ass when it comes to blocking people like Joviex for simpliy typing the gods honest truth into a post and clicking the Go button. That probably goes way over her head, and that is where most of the hate for this specific issue should be going. So, it was her at first. She flat out banned me for a week. Then I am assuming I made the mistake of sending a direct PM to Starr and Richard from my ALT account legitimately asking what was so scary about the truth, and I thought that was part of the request from THEM to serve the good AND THE BAD. Starr replied saying he would look into it, and a day later I was perma banned and sent a series of emails from Rick Holtrop. And in a perfect example of how ass-backwards the entire production is over there, he told me all my information was available in PMs in the forums -- the very same forums I could no longer access. LOL!!! Genius. Apparently I am in a spot where I can't, according to their "EULA" sell my account, since I can only use the forums to sell it by their rules, yet I can't access the forums!! Again, genius. If anything, all that BS about legal postering and etc... is only going to get them into trouble because of the ineptitude of the system(s) they currently employ. I've seen hundreds of excellent ideas pass by the forums, all into silence. They have no one to blame for any future failure except themselves, not the community "trolls" they want to blame.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 14, 2015 4:21:05 GMT
Yes, but, prove to me that she is at the helm of the ship when it comes to that. I think her responsibilities as far as community management go are to school the idiot moderators there on basic function and blocking of stuff like, that word lol. I can almost guarantee you that she is not the one that is calling the shots to protect Portalarium's ass when it comes to blocking people like Joviex for simpliy typing the gods honest truth into a post and clicking the Go button. That probably goes way over her head, and that is where most of the hate for this specific issue should be going. So, it was her at first. She flat out banned me for a week. Then I am assuming I made the mistake of sending a direct PM to Starr and Richard from my ALT account legitimately asking what was so scary about the truth, and I thought that was part of the request from THEM to serve the good AND THE BAD. Starr replied saying he would look into it, and a day later I was perma banned and sent a series of emails from Rick Holtrop. And in a perfect example of how ass-backwards the entire production is over there, he told me all my information was available in PMs in the forums -- the very same forums I could no longer access. LOL!!! Genius. Apparently I am in a spot where I can't, according to their "EULA" sell my account, since I can only use the forums to sell it by their rules, yet I can't access the forums!! Again, genius. If anything, all that BS about legal postering and etc... is only going to get them into trouble because of the ineptitude of the system(s) they currently employ. I've seen hundreds of excellent ideas pass by the forums, all into silence. They have no one to blame for any future failure except themselves, not the community "trolls" they want to blame. To begin with what I take issue with is that they banned your primary account which prevents them from fulfilling any stretch goal which is inclusive of using the Dev+ forum. I am not a douche bag little MGT470 member, so I am not going to cry LAWYER, but that seems pretty messed up! They have a history of doing that, with the E-Mails / PMs, they did that to me on almost all of my 1 week bans I got before my first permaban. I hit them pretty hard between your one week ban and the permaban... I would hope that you commenting on my blog or me commenting about you on my blog didn't add to the decision to ban you. But they are that soft, I'll bet it did.
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Feb 14, 2015 17:20:58 GMT
Aside from all the deleting, banning, moderating going on Has everyone noticed how often they are begging people to give them good reviews? Trying to create gimmicks to get people into game? Seems like they are pretty desperate for players.
It's also weird that these people claim to be so busy that they can't work on certain things, yet they can drop everything and create an item for Underworld.
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Feb 17, 2015 16:54:01 GMT
I didn't want to make a new thread just to comment on this so I'll post it here. I've been watching this Estimated delivery: Oct 2014 thread, just waiting for someone to lock it or whatever they feel like doing at the time, as I predicted it did get locked, how sad is that, now let's see where they go from there.
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Post by grimgryphon on Feb 17, 2015 18:16:28 GMT
I didn't want to make a new thread just to comment on this so I'll post it here. I've been watching this Estimated delivery: Oct 2014 thread, just waiting for someone to lock it or whatever they feel like doing at the time, as I predicted it did get locked, how sad is that, now let's see where they go from there. Looks like I'm responsible for that. :-\
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 18, 2015 0:18:33 GMT
mate i would use the terms responsible for that in the loosest possible definition! i have some backup of that and will post later.
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Post by Shafted on Feb 20, 2015 6:50:28 GMT
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Post by Mordecai on Feb 20, 2015 15:09:50 GMT
I suspect that Lord British was merely trying to do something nice for someone. Given the BMC's history in SotA however, he may have picked the wrong group to help out. Last time they found themselves with something exclusive (in this case, Reinheitsgebot), they tried to sell it to as many people as they could in the player marketplace- for cash.
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Post by as on Feb 20, 2015 17:28:42 GMT
This is what I fear. I know that Lord British does not really want to play favorites. On the surface BMC is promoting themselves good, except for those threads linked above. What is below the surface is them giving $5 Dollar store credit to new players as they spawn in to Braemar to get them in the guild. In addition I was told by one of the members of there own group that they do some botting. One was pissed because it kept stealing his kills lol. It died and was botting in spawn in point lmao. I wonder why they didnt have brains enough to do it in single player.
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Post by as on Feb 20, 2015 23:41:06 GMT
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