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Post by calico on Feb 12, 2016 15:33:17 GMT
I think the people are starting to figure out that Pre-alpha is no longer a thing. There is going to be no alpha or beta, just live and launched I guess. Which the only difference being that launch gives them padding to say if things aren't right that it will be better by launch.
You still see people saying, this is prealpha so no big deal.
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Post by johndoe on Feb 12, 2016 15:55:54 GMT
So does that mean its safe to complain about it? Since everyone was like 'Its pre-alpha, no right to complain' So now, yeah I can complain about how crappy it is.
Now people will say its 'Early Access' whatever the FUCK that means.
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Post by fossil on Feb 12, 2016 16:33:28 GMT
Technically it's been in beta for a long time.
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Post by myrcello on Feb 12, 2016 16:37:11 GMT
They twisted words far often.
The goal is to think how your customer understands the words you use and what a customer understand it means.
And when you decided on a process description form you do not confuse your customers suddenly abonding it.
Haha..no alpha, no beta...we just make up something new.
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Post by calico on Feb 12, 2016 16:41:38 GMT
Technically it's been in beta for a long time. Beta usually means feature complete, I beg to differ that it made that point.
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Post by fossil on Feb 12, 2016 17:14:41 GMT
Technically it's been in beta for a long time. Beta usually means feature complete, I beg to differ that it made that point. Since there is technically no official definition of what is an alpha or beta it becomes ones own judgment. An Alpha to me is a concept, when you start testing those concepts it's Beta. MMO's are never feature complete.
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Post by calico on Feb 12, 2016 17:17:05 GMT
Beta usually means feature complete, I beg to differ that it made that point. Since there is technically no official definition of what is an alpha or beta it becomes ones own judgment. An Alpha to me is a concept, when you start testing those concepts it's Beta. MMO's are never feature complete. Regardless, I think it is fair to say they can't use the pre alpha excuse anymore.
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Post by fossil on Feb 12, 2016 17:21:00 GMT
Since there is technically no official definition of what is an alpha or beta it becomes ones own judgment. An Alpha to me is a concept, when you start testing those concepts it's Beta. MMO's are never feature complete. Regardless, I think it is fair to say they can't use the pre alpha excuse anymore. Maybe they'll make some new word up and define it. It will be called this new innovative development concept Portalarium?
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Post by calico on Feb 12, 2016 17:26:47 GMT
Regardless, I think it is fair to say they can't use the pre alpha excuse anymore. Maybe they'll make some new word up and define it. It will be called this new innovative development concept Portalarium? The sad part people keep buying it. Look at the people saying that cities aren't where they should be. People state well they just haven't got to that yet. If not, why? and when?
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Post by fossil on Feb 12, 2016 17:36:08 GMT
I think they know whom they are targeting now. Not actual gamers. The problem is just now they are splitting hairs on how do we cater to this crowd. Because they seem to be getting more and more casual gamers. They have steep grinds that are boring like no other. ( I like to grind btw but when I do play games like that there has to be some kool aspects) There is nothin kool or fun about thier grind. They have a grind to make it seem like there is more game then what there actually is.
The game has no appeal to hardcore gamers, has little appeal to young people. Has no appeal to the GFX people. Has no appeal to the PvP people. Has no appeal to people that Raid. Has no appeal to Single player People. Has no appeal to combat junkies. Has no appeal for logistic people. Has no appeal to crafters.
It has appeal to people that larp. Is that enough to make an mmo survive?
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Post by calico on Feb 12, 2016 17:44:17 GMT
We can larp together...wooohooo....let's larp! Let's larp?
Can I be your servant please?
Can I be a dog?
But I'm the BARON!
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Post by zincturtle on Feb 12, 2016 17:46:36 GMT
PFO tried this 'early access' trick. They had to lay off their entire dev team in September (2 skeleton crew left behind), less than a year from "Early Access Launch" Of course, PFO is vastly more niche than SotA, and Ryan Dancey makes Starr Long look like a teddy bear, and their entire progression model is insane, but still, a historically demonstrated Early Access failure.
And to be fair, in some ways, PFO was much farther along than SotA. In some ways not, but in some ways yes. They had over 8k backers in their kickstarter, and fewer than 100 players currently login daily, today. They're on life support, looking for a white knight investor/savior.
I think at the moment, performance and loading time are their most expose achilles heels. Loading times need to be single digit seconds, performance needs to be 60FPS+ everywhere. Right now, it's more like single digit FPS and double digit loading times. That's not gonna fly in 2016. Steam reviews will crucify them, and rightly so.
As has been pointed out by others, and more eloquently than I could have, zealots defend to the death, regardless of reality. The developers could literally sell their saliva, and some zealot whale would buy it, some people are that fanatically loyal. Using arguments like then, now, later or parallel examples don't even enter their consciousness. What I mean by that is, typically the arguments go like this: It's only in the design phase, excuse the developers demonstrated failures. It's still pre-alpha, excuse the developers demonstrated failures. It's still alpha, excuse the developers demonstrated failures. It's still beta, excuse the developers demonstrated failures. It's launch day, excuse the developers demonstrated failures. It's only one month since launch day, excuse the developers demonstrated failures. It's only one year since launch day, excuse the developers demonstrated failures.
and so on, until the title fades away and dies. Personally, I have no interest in repeating history, while expecting a different outcome. But that's exactly what you'll get on the official forums, due to the censorship, favoritism, bias, injustice and pride at work there.
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Post by fossil on Feb 12, 2016 18:13:27 GMT
We can larp together...wooohooo....let's larp! Let's larp? Can I be your servant please? Can I be a dog? But I'm the BARON! I would only serve IM and Rune
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Post by dewderonomy on Feb 12, 2016 19:12:10 GMT
Beta usually means feature complete, I beg to differ that it made that point. Yeah, all the POTs aren't in yet! Dur.
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Post by calico on Feb 12, 2016 19:18:47 GMT
Beta usually means feature complete, I beg to differ that it made that point. Yeah, all the POTs aren't in yet! Dur. They are still developing many features on that according to people on the forums.
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Post by khael on Feb 12, 2016 22:05:31 GMT
Yeah, all the POTs aren't in yet! Dur. They are still developing many features on that according to people on the forums. content and fixin the shitty combat should be high up on there list
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Post by dodgy on Feb 13, 2016 0:45:45 GMT
We can larp together...wooohooo....let's larp! Let's larp? Can I be your servant please? Can I be a dog? But I'm the BARON! I would only serve IM and Rune You're fucking pre alpha
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Post by fossil on Feb 13, 2016 1:52:42 GMT
I would only serve IM and Rune You're fucking pre alpha so does that mean pre alpha means w.e i want it to mean?
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Post by dodgy on Feb 13, 2016 2:32:18 GMT
so does that mean pre alpha means w.e i want it to mean? ITS PRE ALPHA! DONT YOU GET IT!
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Post by grimgryphon on Feb 14, 2016 19:50:57 GMT
Technically it's been in beta for a long time. I think technically it's been a pile of shit for a very long time.
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Post by Joviex on Feb 29, 2016 2:12:51 GMT
Technically it's been in beta for a long time. I think technically it's been a pile of shit for a very long time. Best. Post. Ever. You win the internet.
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