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Post by Mordecai on Mar 8, 2015 10:04:58 GMT
Mar 6, 2015 11:40:58 GMT -4 Myrcello said:
... Back at Ultima Online they did decide that they need to make Trammel and Feluccia. If they did find the Pre-Trammel time back then not OK , why should they ever have planned to include this in Shroud of the Avatar.
The developers were only right in that they needed to do something about the issues associated with pre-trammel UO. Their solution was flawed in its extremeness and literally tore their community into camps of players. Many Trammel players enjoyed the freedom initially, but lost interest ultimately. Some Felluca players actually preferred fighting other PvPers exclusively, but they were too small a minority to sustain the game, and for RPers, the world became inhospitable and dead.
Obviously, they shouldn't have considered making SotA into the FFA that UO originally was, but to go from one extreme to the other is just as crazy. I had hoped that they would have done something more middle-of-the-road. Where do you think they should have set the bar?
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Mar 8, 2015 20:30:49 GMT
The only problem that needed to be solved about pre trammel was that there were to many lazy, useless, spoon fed sensitive carebears in the world. For me Trammel was the starting point of UO's downfall, pretty much where I lost interest in the game. It went from a hardcore, exciting game to a fag fest with fluff. This topic is one good reason why I don't think RG had much to do with the creation of UO. Personally I would go as hardcore and free for all as possible. Pking, pickpocketing, being able to loot peoples houses again, steal peoples stuff. as long as there were ways for people to reasonable defend against these things, UO had the balance right from the beginning pretty much. Another thing to point out is that a lot of the people in the generation growing up now, old enough to start gaming, are looking towards hardcore games. People want freedom, to kill and to be able to loot, they want it hardcore, twitch is proof enough on this point. I think the developers are so domesticated that they are scared to offend anyone. Judging by how dumbed down SotA is, they are basically assuming every gamer is retarded and needs to have their hand held through everything. Catering to sensitive people by creating a safe zone world in this extent is in fact hurting their income by quite a bit instead of helping. I know countless people that won't touch SotA just because of carebear it really is.
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Post by Envy Gaming on Mar 9, 2015 0:12:33 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more, Housewife Brit. They are pandering to the pathetic housewives and sensitive new-age, safe-zone loving care bear retards. I've tried to show Port how fun and beneficial my PK play-style is and how important it is to the success of the whole game. But they are not listening. I'll keep res-killing noobs and owning everyone until they listen. I've made many enemies with my play-style but have slowly gained the support of most of the smart people on the forums. However, Garriott and his team of bitches still have their heads up each others arses and obviously won't listen.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Mar 9, 2015 0:14:12 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more, Housewife Brit. They are pandering to the pathetic housewives and sensitive new-age, safe-zone loving care bear retards. I've tried to show Port how fun and beneficial my PK play-style is and how important it is to the success of the whole game. But they are not listening. I'll keep res-killing noobs and owning everyone until they listen. I've made many enemies with my play-style but have slowly gained the support of most of the smart people on the forums. However, Garriott and his team of bitches still have their heads up each others arses and obviously won't listen. They will ban you first. I tried the same thing, and here I am. |
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Post by Joker on Mar 13, 2015 0:32:31 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more, Housewife Brit. They are pandering to the pathetic housewives and sensitive new-age, safe-zone loving care bear retards. I've tried to show Port how fun and beneficial my PK play-style is and how important it is to the success of the whole game. But they are not listening. I'll keep res-killing noobs and owning everyone until they listen. I've made many enemies with my play-style but have slowly gained the support of most of the smart people on the forums. However, Garriott and his team of bitches still have their heads up each others arses and obviously won't listen. Yet, you only post like this here because you are really not all that brave now are you. All talk. Internet tough guy. I wonder how many would appreciate your posts if you actually posted like this on the forums. You won't though, only tough in anonymity. You think you have support, but I doubt it. The worst thing is you are your own worst enemy but you really aren't smart enough to figure that out. |
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Post by Envy Gaming on Mar 13, 2015 1:17:30 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more, Housewife Brit. They are pandering to the pathetic housewives and sensitive new-age, safe-zone loving care bear retards. I've tried to show Port how fun and beneficial my PK play-style is and how important it is to the success of the whole game. But they are not listening. I'll keep res-killing noobs and owning everyone until they listen. I've made many enemies with my play-style but have slowly gained the support of most of the smart people on the forums. However, Garriott and his team of bitches still have their heads up each others arses and obviously won't listen. Yet, you only post like this here because you are really not all that brave now are you. All talk. Internet tough guy. I wonder how many would appreciate your posts if you actually posted like this on the forums. You won't though, only tough in anonymity. You think you have support, but I doubt it. The worst thing is you are your own worst enemy but you really aren't smart enough to figure that out. Oh dear, Joker! Did I touch a raw nerve with my little tirade? Of course I wouldn't post like that on the official forums! I would get an instant ban. I'm always polite on the official forums but I let my alter-ego speak the truth and go a little crazy, here. That's what this forum is all about. If you don't agree, that's just fine. BTW, you sound like a complete twat. |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Mar 13, 2015 1:19:39 GMT
Envy has some balls at least, he is posting here as Envy after all free for all to see! I don't even do that...
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Post by Joker on Mar 13, 2015 1:31:08 GMT
Yet, you only post like this here because you are really not all that brave now are you. All talk. Internet tough guy. I wonder how many would appreciate your posts if you actually posted like this on the forums. You won't though, only tough in anonymity. You think you have support, but I doubt it. The worst thing is you are your own worst enemy but you really aren't smart enough to figure that out. Oh dear, Joker! Did I touch a raw nerve with my little tirade? Of course I wouldn't post like that on the official forums! I would get an instant ban. I'm always polite on the official forums but I let my alter-ego speak the truth and go a little crazy, here. That's what this forum is all about. If you don't agree, that's just fine. BTW, you sound like a complete twat. You are fake. Sounds like a twat to me, tough guy. |
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Post by Housewife Brittish on Mar 13, 2015 1:44:19 GMT
So tough and guy. You got told.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Mar 14, 2015 3:15:12 GMT
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Post by grimgryphon on Mar 15, 2015 0:36:35 GMT
Wait until the whining starts. "I died and got logged out!" Please reimburse me for the stuff I lost. It's not fair!!!" |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Mar 15, 2015 2:17:04 GMT
Whining happened, and that thread is already locked. lulz
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Post by grimgryphon on Mar 15, 2015 2:31:12 GMT
Whining happened, and that thread is already locked. lulz Damn, too bad I didn't have time to sneak in a comment to FireLotus. I was going to ask her how that bang-up wonderful community she manages is doing adhering to their beloved "virtues". |
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Post by templara on Jun 10, 2015 18:38:07 GMT
Nice thread, nice posts from many of you, guys. Mordecai is looking for a "middle-of-the-road", but there isn't one in this case. Your game is either full PvP or no PvP. Selective PvP = No PvP, just like grimgryphon 's signature states. When you give carebears a choice, they're always gonna chose the safer server. UO was good, because **IT DID NOT GIVE THE CAREBEARS A CHOICE**. It forced them to play by the same rules as everyone. They did not like getting killed, but they enjoyed the game overall, so they learned how to adapt to it, how to get used to it. Truth is, players need to be HERDED and FORCED to do stuff. If presented with the opportunity, 90% of the playerbase would do NOTHING, just wank their tiny little dicks in front of the West Bank, wearing colourful hats, afking 90% of the time and talking about Netflix 10% of the time. Dunno if you've ever been to the army. Here in russia joining the army is mandatory for all males above 18. But if some of you have. You probably remember not wanting to go there and suffer. Yet after getting used to the early morning drills, to the seargeant shouting in your face, and all the other hardcore stuff, you prolly learned to enjoy it. It's the same with MMOS rly. All in all, letting the weak, the lazy, the stupid chose and make the rules is the ultimate mistake, for which the ultimate price has to be paid more often than not. P.S. Does anybody here have any idea, why there was not a single full loot WoW server ever? Was it that fucking hard? P.P.S. And one more important thing: Unless you've spent all your fucking childhood hunched in front of a PC, you know, that kids play games in the streets. Football, hide and seek, etc. There are *ALWAYS* strict rules to those games. And most important - kids don't like slackers. They don't like people who make a habit of leaving mid-session, giving up the game, letting down their team maters, spoiling the fun for the rest. They don't like people who break the rules to gain advantage. Unless you've been lobotomized you are already starting to see the link here. The modern MMO player wants to be a slacker and a cheater. He doesn't want to put any effort into the game. He doesn't want anything to burden him, he doesn't want to other players to be dependant on his actions. He wants it all easy, and he wants to be able to take a break whenever he wants. In a *GAME*, this is a bad thing. Imagine all of this happening during a football match. During any game, hide and seek or whatever. People randomly leaving, people switching sides, people letting down their teammates. That's whats spoils any game, including MMORPGS. So this is the problem of modern MMORPGS in a nutshell. It's up to you what to make of it and how you process this and react to this. --------------------- In truth, I believe there are many gamers out there who would gladly accept the playstyle SS13 and old UO have. It's just that no games are being made for them. We will never know if we can gather 10 million of true immersive roleplayers to play one game, unless we try. |
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Post by Sir_Hemlock on Jun 11, 2015 0:02:11 GMT
Like you lot, i too lament the loss of unrestricted freedom.
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Post by Dodgy Dan on Jun 11, 2015 11:04:24 GMT
Hey
Love the posts so glad I found this forum.
I was starting to think I was going crazy and was the only one who felt this way.
SOTA is a train wreck, I feel so dirty that I got sucked into the Spiritual Successor of UO.
Youre right too I dont think Lord B is the great developer and publisher I thought he was. I mean....what has he done? Tabulas Rasa?
Envy you are a great help, you freely give your advice and lessons learnt to anyone who asks. A rich PvP community is what MMOs need to be sustainable or constant content for raids to keep those inclined playing.
House Wife brit..could not agree to you more. The simple fact FREE UO shards are still populated with decent player bases EVEN now should be screaming that there is a market for a hardcore PvP MMO. Hell EVE is great but it just doesnt quite fill the hole. What the EQ and WOW model of MMOs have done to the genre is basicly make a fat dumb and lazy player base who dont care bout immersion or using actual wits to play just frothing zombies waiting for the next loot bag.
Joker sik burn....
Looking forward to my account being approved i am sn0tub on SOTA forums and Dodgy Dan in game. Cheers
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Post by templara on Jun 11, 2015 11:49:18 GMT
With due respect...I wouldnt say that those free shards "are populated with decent player bases".
On most of them its 50-350accounts logged in, of which a huge part are macroers, another huge part - reagent bots. Many people play with multiple game windows at once. Iwent to the free shard UO Renaissance. There were some people yes, but in the few days I was roaming about I couldnt find a SINGLE pvper, a single corpse. Nothing. I roamed and roamed to no avail. Was very weird.
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Post by Dodgy Dan on Jun 11, 2015 12:08:36 GMT
Yeah fair nuff I have to admit its been a few years since I set foot in one but still ultimately it was YEARS after UO was really a decent game and you could still find some with 1000 people on.
In Por Ylem had really good PvP and bout 1000 players.
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Post by Dewderonomy on Jun 14, 2015 23:56:17 GMT
Funny to see a mix of the people I've been talking to in a group PM about how shitty combat has been since March and others who defend the combat and then come here and bitch about it. Either way, glad to see there's an AA group for people who cannot tolerate the absurdity and hypocrisy of SotA's direction on combat and PvP.
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Post by dodgy on Jun 15, 2015 10:02:51 GMT
Awww come on dewd! I apologised to you both on PM and publicly
I WAS WRONG OK!
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Post by Dewderonomy on Jun 16, 2015 0:59:55 GMT
Awww come on dewd! I apologised to you both on PM and publicly I WAS WRONG OK! lol Needless to say, it wasn't concerning you. I do envy your honesty and humility shone, however.  |
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Post by dodgy on Jun 16, 2015 1:25:58 GMT
Awww come on dewd! I apologised to you both on PM and publicly I WAS WRONG OK! lol Needless to say, it wasn't concerning you. I do envy your honesty and humility shone, however. Ooooo I see what you did there sir and I approve |
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Post by Blake Blackstone on Jun 23, 2015 18:49:21 GMT
Respect to Envy for putting his true self out and thoughts out there. That takes some balls.
The middle road:
I thought Eve was a good system. It only makes sense that the further you get off the beaten path, the more dangerous it becomes. In my perfect world over half of the instances would have some type of PvP. Most hardcore RPer's rarely PVE or leave a safe zone. And the same goes for hardcore PvPers.
Zone 1) No PvP even with a tag. Guards KOS. Towns,Important game features, etc.
Zone 2) PvP with tags. Medium mobs/All regular resources.
Zone 3) PvP with tags. All untagged players get a 15-30 minute timer(or whatever). Enough time to play in the zone, quest, etc. Then are flagged PvP if they want to remain in the zone(Farming). All resources, low % rare drop. Hardest mobs.
Zone 4) PvP with tags. All untagged players get 5 minutes. Medium Mobs/All resources.
Zone 5) Open PVP. Low Mobs/High % Rare Resources.
Im sure its not perfect but its pretty close to balance.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jun 23, 2015 19:04:59 GMT
I thought Eve was a good system. It only makes sense that the further you get off the beaten path, the more dangerous it becomes. Pathfinder is doing the same thing. We'll see if it works for that game or if it is Eve-specific. Eve has had quite a bit of time to get the balance right and they're still not quite there. Time will tell. |
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Post by templara on Jun 26, 2015 7:10:14 GMT
I thought Eve was a good system. It only makes sense that the further you get off the beaten path, the more dangerous it becomes. Pathfinder is doing the same thing. We'll see if it works for that game or if it is Eve-specific. Eve has had quite a bit of time to get the balance right and they're still not quite there. Time will tell. What do you man not quite there? |
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Post by grimgryphon on Jun 26, 2015 7:14:23 GMT
Pathfinder is doing the same thing. We'll see if it works for that game or if it is Eve-specific. Eve has had quite a bit of time to get the balance right and they're still not quite there. Time will tell. What do you man not quite there? They still have balance issues from time to time, but they correct them fairly quickly. Definitely the most balanced PvP game these days though. |
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Post by templara on Jun 26, 2015 7:17:55 GMT
What do you man not quite there? They still have balance issues from time to time, but they correct them fairly quickly. Definitely the most balanced PvP game these days though. Dunno nothing bout dat. I enjoyed eve tho and plan on returning for another couple of months. Is it only me tho or does the game suck rp and immersion-wise.. |
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