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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 2:14:23 GMT
ultimacodex.com/2016/01/spam-spam-spam-humbug-episode-33-2015-in-review-ultima-fan-projects-part-1/Here, as I haven't contacted anyone after I've come out. A good many of you aren't going to want to hear from me  Just for sake of clarity, I don't want you to feel like you were the explicit reason IM was created, you aren't. I don't want anyone out there to believe that through an act of moderation by WtF he is responsible for the creation of the IM persona. It wasn't even that either as WtF said "maybe that is too far" to my GTFO comment and then I self moderated that content! No big deal specifically, maybe I shouldn't have even mentioned it in the long run. Owain with so many others had been running wild on the forum and IRC(before even on your server) before this also. Though I was well pissed off Owain thought that someone with your Ultima background, yes also someone whom I was acquainted with, couldn't have an opinion and that's why I told him to GTFO, it still wasn't the "reason." In my blog I did describe and link a great many things which show the general problems of that community with personalities at that time. These things were all happening before I created IM though they are not recorded as I was not yet the IM and doing so. A toxic personality was created to deal with toxic personalities, some of the things like open racism was being allowed to take place for far too long. IM dealt with it. You'll all note also I did say I didn't start on Portalarium's case, I didn't even ever expect to be doing so, it just ended up being the case. So yeah, totally not your fault WtF, there is only one person to blame for the IM in the end... This one.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 14, 2016 2:20:09 GMT
Stop calling yourself toxic...Im so over this fucking overused word...like troll and shit.
Geez. Temp was toxic (and for me loveable), Ive said some pretty shit things too and you pull it into line, you merely highlighted your truth and it resonated with people.
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Post by fossil on Jan 14, 2016 2:23:59 GMT
I thought we were all trolls here ;(
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 2:32:46 GMT
I thought we were all trolls here ;( Who said we weren't! |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 2:37:26 GMT
Stop calling yourself toxic...Im so over this fucking overused word...like troll and shit. Geez. Temp was toxic (and for me loveable), Ive said some pretty shit things too and you pull it into line, you merely highlighted your truth and it resonated with people. I suppose it is a matter of perspective. I did say and do things in order to illicit a response from: The SotA Community as a whole. Certain SotA individuals. Portalarium as a whole. Portalarium staff. Junior SotA moderators. That makes me in the most pure definition, an internet troll. Technically though I think Muckraker is just as accurate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MuckrakerI dunno, I guess I expected more from the SotA community, that they could see this and step up to self remediate. |
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Post by dodgy on Jan 14, 2016 3:05:30 GMT
Stop calling yourself toxic...Im so over this fucking overused word...like troll and shit. Geez. Temp was toxic (and for me loveable), Ive said some pretty shit things too and you pull it into line, you merely highlighted your truth and it resonated with people. I suppose it is a matter of perspective. I did say and do things in order to illicit a response from: The SotA Community as a whole. Certain SotA individuals. Portalarium as a whole. Portalarium staff. Junior SotA moderators. That makes me in the most pure definition, an internet troll. Technically though I think Muckraker is just as accurate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MuckrakerI dunno, I guess I expected more from the SotA community, that they could see this and step up to self remediate. No you didnt. Fuck. Because you point something out doesnt make you a trouble maker. What are we a fascist dictatorship? We suppress all criticisms? Use of language in todays PC world is what is shutting down debate. You have nationalist views you are fascist, against immigration/refugees? Right Wing nutbag, Point out an argument on a forum? troll, See fourth way feminism as negative? Misogynist. If the issues could of been discussed in the open, on the official forums without severe moderation this blog would not of happened. If only you felt this way you would have no forum...its not toxic , its not trolling. So stop labelling it that way. Its legitimate opposition of the current dev cycle and implementation of SOTA by people who were seriously invested into the game and were all fanbois at heart. |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 3:10:33 GMT
If the issues could of been discussed in the open, on the official forums without severe moderation this blog would not of happened. If only you felt this way you would have no forum...its not toxic , its not trolling. So stop labelling it that way. I do see your point here Guilty as sin! |
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 14, 2016 4:11:35 GMT
I thought we were all trolls here ;(  I did ... do things in order to illicit a response from: Certain SotA individuals. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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Post by Mordecai on Jan 14, 2016 6:00:08 GMT
I think at times you have gone too far IM, and I applaud you for admitting that. While Dodgy certainly is right about the value of Truth and legitimate grievances, that doesn't absolve us of our excesses.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 6:06:41 GMT
I think at times you have gone too far IM, Fully aware because it was mostly purposely done! |
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Post by Mordecai on Jan 14, 2016 6:15:53 GMT
I understand that, and I respect that you have the follow-through to clarify that no specific person spurred you to create IM.
On the other hand, you could let the hate flow through you. I'm told that it gives you focus, makes you strong.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 6:26:50 GMT
I understand that, and I respect that you have the follow-through to clarify that no specific person spurred you to create IM. I do have my moments. Not many, but I have them. |
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Post by dodgy on Jan 14, 2016 6:46:43 GMT
I understand that, and I respect that you have the follow-through to clarify that no specific person spurred you to create IM. On the other hand, you could let the hate flow through you. I'm told that it gives you focus, makes you strong. What's the point of strength without action? |
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Post by Caliya on Jan 14, 2016 11:43:06 GMT
So yeah, totally not your fault WtF, there is only one person to blame for the IM in the end... What BS is that? The only person(s) at fault were Portalarium and their lame forum rules. Period. Yes. Period.  |
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Post by Caliya on Jan 14, 2016 11:50:34 GMT
I did say and do things in order to illicit a response Look at all the chodes that illicted responses from Portalarium with  and by their requests, such as POTs, turned it into one shitty game. Yet telling the truth illicits a response, just not one the cash givers want to hear. I don't understand the guilt, or trying to suck up. It wasn't a mistake, no matter how much these guys want to call you (or us) a troll. F* them. |
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Post by Caliya on Jan 14, 2016 11:54:01 GMT
that doesn't absolve us of our excesses. Give me a break. |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 13:01:12 GMT
Is simply accuracy, if anyone created the membrane they would consist of a hellspawn mutation of Darkblade, Mystic, The Harry Man, and Owain. WtF had no part in my creation at all other than being there when Owain was being a prick and I was like, fine, two can play that game. |
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Post by Caliya on Jan 14, 2016 13:22:40 GMT
you could let the hate flow through you When hippies protested the Vietnam war, was it hate? When Daniel Ellsberg was charged with espionage, for blowing the whistle and making the public aware that the Johnson systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress, and the subsequent Watergate scandal revealed, was it hate that drove Daniel? When Assange and Snowden revealed the activities of the US government, was it hate? Or was all this love of country, or love of something they believed in and wanted to make it right by getting corruption out? It's all in the perspective. |
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Post by Mordecai on Jan 14, 2016 20:25:18 GMT
No videogame, however unsavory, can seriously be likened to the atrocities of the Vietnamese war. It's one thing to try and help educate people about the shadier truths behind a videogame, but all too often we clearly step beyond that boundary and into the realm of passionate hatred. In this faltering, we become the very thing we're responding against. The only person(s) at fault were Port and their lame forum rules. Period. A fitting time to quote the words of a Port dev. We criticize the lead devs for their "I can do no wrong" attitudes and yet, we share their arrogant certainty. What's the point of strength without action? And what too is the point of action without strength? It is not strength that lends itself to us when we recklessly act with malice. Strength exists in our capacity to act with restraint, in our ability to strive for what we perceive as just while also resisting the temptation to stoop to the levels of those we condemn. |
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Post by Caliya on Jan 14, 2016 20:34:41 GMT
Mordecai I did not compare the game blog to the Vietnam war. Your perception of what IM did is opposite of my perception. We tend to look at something through our own opinions. Yours is an opinion, just as mine. I do not consider anything IM has done to be arrogant. But your seeming to talk down to him does seem so.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 14, 2016 20:39:50 GMT
Hitler and Nazis.
You're welcome.
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Post by Caliya on Jan 14, 2016 20:42:30 GMT
Hitler and Nazis. You're welcome.  |
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Post by dodgy on Jan 15, 2016 1:27:03 GMT
Mordecai I did not compare the game blog to the Vietnam war. Your perception of what IM did is opposite of my perception. We tend to look at something through our own opinions. Yours is an opinion, just as mine. I do not consider anything IM has done to be arrogant. But your seeming to talk down to him does seem so. I'm kinda lost too morde |
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Post by chodekiller on Jan 15, 2016 1:47:28 GMT
I would disagree. this wtf dragon bitch is by far one of main reasons the over moderation of the sota turned has hurt the game as a whole and turned the potentially good community to shit. fuck that puto
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 15, 2016 4:26:45 GMT
I would disagree. this wtf dragon bitch is by far one of main reasons the over moderation of the sota turned has hurt the game as a whole and turned the potentially good community to shit. fuck that puto Bro. Do you even Mystic? |
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Post by chodekiller on Jan 15, 2016 5:46:32 GMT
mystic would probably be the top douche nozzle for sure
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Post by Caliya on Jan 15, 2016 7:58:38 GMT
I always considered wtf dragon one of the best moderators over there, with Mystic & Koldar at the bottom. Those fanboys wouldn't know fair and balanced if it hit them between the eyes.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 15, 2016 8:10:27 GMT
I always considered wtf dragon one of the best moderators over there, with Mystic & Koldar at the bottom. Those fanboys wouldn't know fair and balanced if it hit them between the eyes. UltimaCodex, Lord Viator, and cx are all good mods. |
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Post by Mordecai on Jan 15, 2016 13:32:44 GMT
Your perception of what IM did is opposite of my perception. I'm not trying to talk down to IM here (trying to praise him actually), but in his many articles, especially the older ones, there are a number of needless and pointless statements. We agree that IM's cause is just, and you can chalk his unsavory posts up to matters of perception, but they speak for themselves. "Small Cock Sillyvan" "Fuck you Izzy, you’re a little taint and then some." "you’re such a raw little taint." Sure, you can say, "Oh, well I don't like that person so it's ok," but that's completely beside the point. The point is that we all sometimes go overboard- the above statements don't add to a critique, rather they demean it- and it's self-defeating to pretend that we're perfect white knights that can do no wrong, especially when we often criticize Portalarium for exhibiting that same kind of behavior. In short, it's a matter of hypocrisy. |
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Post by Mordecai on Jan 15, 2016 13:36:39 GMT
I do not consider anything IM has done to be arrogant. But your seeming to talk down to him does seem so. And for the record, this is a perfect example of the useless kind of quips that we toss around irresponsibly. You're implying that I seem arrogant for agreeing with and praising IM's OP. Not only does that make no sense, but it's also inflammatory. Is it so hard to believe that, just maybe, part of the reason that some people here were banned was actually their own fault, that maybe some of us did instigate conflicts on SotA's forums by being less than virtuous? We demonized Themo for saying "fuck" to someone on the forums, for months. What did we do when IM used to say "fuck" about people on his blog? |
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Just for sake of clarity, I don't want you to feel like you were the explicit reason IM was created, you aren't.
