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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 9, 2016 13:09:03 GMT
Should we reboot this place? To what if so?
Your yes or no answers should also be justified with posts, you know, so we can all have the feedback necessary to make the decision. Together.
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Post by myrcello on Jan 9, 2016 15:01:20 GMT
Time to move on
Other projects are blocked with not moving on.
I noticed that other topics have become more and more fun on SU.
The Reveal of AA was for me a symbolic klimax of your Blog.
Maybe the ones coming to SU will enjoy coming for talking about other games.
Was a intresting group
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Post by nemolives on Jan 9, 2016 16:28:09 GMT
I voted No; the reason is Shroud isn't finished and launched yet, so the project here as I'd see it isn't done yet either; and that is to warn people of the current state of the game. Whether you personally want to continue is up to you though. You could just leave the forums, but just deleting or closing them off I think would be a mistake, as it would be applying your decision to an entire group. The lunatics out there will take a sense of victory from what ever you do, but if I were in your shoes, I'd either create an alternative forum for everyone to quickly migrate over too, or leave this one up unchanged, and let it shape itself without engaging myself too deeply... after all, "insanemembrane" is fictional anyway, and although you feel personally attached, there's no reason the title can't reincarnate like Doctor Who or Ace Rimmer...
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Post by chodekiller on Jan 9, 2016 16:52:38 GMT
no
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Post by dodgy on Jan 9, 2016 17:41:07 GMT
I like how mycello put it.
However reading the steam forums I see bigger lies push out there by players on what the game features.
Unless something is done more people will get sucked in
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Post by Caliya on Jan 9, 2016 19:47:41 GMT
I couldn't answer Yes because it's not a shit hole.
The doxer is hiding in plain sight right over on the SotA forums. If anyplace is a shithole of terror, it's there.
I don't regret anything I've said on this forum. Talking the truth is not shit. Doxing someone is. So whoever the doxer is should not be allowed to think they forced us into hiding.
Having said that though, it might be good to have an open gamers forum that isn't focused solely on SotA. Because even though it's good that truthful information is out about SotA, at one point I will move on from that topic. I'm already bored with it for the most part because I don't want to play the game, even if it improves. With people like Themo and Envy running it, that's just shit.
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Post by myrcello on Jan 9, 2016 20:31:56 GMT
Btw.
Shithole it is not.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 9, 2016 22:40:34 GMT
Let's say we reboot it to something else. As we all know, this isn't just about SotA anymore. I honestly feel like we talk about SotA so much because ALL of us came from there, and some still "play" it or are willing to try it in the future. If we had tons of people from other places, then it wouldn't be so much about SotA at all. Since this summer, we've had a gigantic leap in talking about other games, other topics (politics, cooking, traveling), and even about the industry as a whole. This is a well rounded gaming forum with a focus on SotA primarily because of the playerbase here.
So even if we reboot it, it'll still be about SotA. We'll still talk about it because it'll still be something we can all relate to, something we can use as examples in our conversation. We talk about EvE. I think EvE is boring as shit, and has its own toxic playerbase. Difference is, game is purposefully designed to allow it, and as a griefer, I can appreciate it. Should I not talk about EvE because I'm afraid someone over there will dox me or stalk me or try to hurt me (especially since EvE players will be more likely to pull something like that off seriously)? What about WoW? Hundreds of thousands of players who are fanatical about their game, and I will argue to my grave it's above all the most responsible for destroying the MMORPG genre as we know it. Should I silence myself because some flower will get their pink shoulder pads in a bind and come after me?
It may be because of my history with stalkers on UO. I couldn't go to another UO shard without people knowing who I was so long as there was even a fart from a past role-player on there, as my name was dropped at some time. Entire role-playing communities stopped what they were doing and banded together OOC to stop me from doing anything. Some tried to harass me outside of the game, but even inside of the game, it was just as bad. Female friends were sexually harassed. People who just wanted to enjoy what I brought to the table were suddenly paranoid because everyone was out to get them. People left the game forever because of the drama. So while I was the only one "stalked" others were so suddenly and badly harassed that they stopped doing what they loved; that's far worse, to me, than someone knowing your name or where you live.
Because let's face it, you know who else has your name, address and knows your children? Literally every single stranger you know absolutely nothing about in your city. Someone wants to do you harm, they'll do it. At least we know who these piles of dogshit are, some has-beens and insecure 40-year-old virgins who never had the balls to do anything else with their life because if they couldn't control the environment they were in, they stayed in their homes with their 47 cats and scoffed at the world they couldn't be bothered interacting with.
They're cowards. SWATing is becoming a serious crime. Law always lags behind technology and science, we know, but it catches up, eventually. It's one thing to get the name, address and phone number of someone, to dox them, but it's another thing to potentially commit a federal crime. Some of these people are sentenced to decades in federal prison. That's no joke. Someone has to have the exact same mentality of wanting to kill someone to pull this shit off. The consequences for the perpetrator are similar.
So if we want to redo it and make it less about Shroud and more about games and such in general. sure, fine. But we're still going to criticize games. We'll still talk shit about things that could incur the wrath of some microdick on the internet somewhere. If we make a change, make it so we can piss off more people by criticizing bullshit, not less, and especially not out of fear.
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Post by titsup on Jan 9, 2016 22:48:17 GMT
Leave a single Shroud forum. Condense, but don't delete.
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Post by Caliya on Jan 9, 2016 22:59:41 GMT
I don't blame IM in any way if I was doxed. I didn't have to post here. None of us do. It has made me leery of trusting anyone, but it doesn't make me afraid to tell the truth.
If we were to expand the forum, to all games we play, and shrink the Shroud to one single forum, it's not because of the doxing. I think the time was ripe for it before all this came out. We had already discussed the possibility elsewhere.
Every one of us knew IM was a persona and had a SotA account that was not banned. It doesn't change anything, we only know who he is now.
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Post by chodekiller on Jan 10, 2016 0:42:48 GMT
This forum does a lot to help in preventing more people scammed by portalarium. turning it private or "rebooting" makes it tougher for that to happen. I would suggest turning the forum over to someone else who is not worried about doxing shit.
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Post by johndoe on Jan 10, 2016 1:42:38 GMT
You should leave it open and how it is, its obviously bothering them. The truth often bothers people.
If you edit, and merge, censor, you're becoming more like those you dislike.
In the end, you'll only dislike yourself.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 10, 2016 1:57:35 GMT
You should leave it open and how it is, its obviously bothering them. The truth often bothers people. If you edit, and merge, censor, you're becoming more like those you dislike. In the end, you'll only dislike yourself. So for example you would still not like to see the rest of the SotA stuff like PvP and SP boards rolled into the General Discussion, despite not having a great sum of content, to open more category / board space up for new things?
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Post by johndoe on Jan 10, 2016 2:03:56 GMT
You should leave it open and how it is, its obviously bothering them. The truth often bothers people. If you edit, and merge, censor, you're becoming more like those you dislike. In the end, you'll only dislike yourself. So for example you would still not like to see the rest of the SotA stuff like PvP and SP boards rolled into the General Discussion, despite not having a great sum of content, to open more category / board space up for new things? I think you should leave it alone, its accomplishing its goal of opening peoples eyes to the truth. Its working, why fuck with it? You can always add more without removing anything. Its just when i see what SOTA forum is like, with all the merges, and locked forum posts, and censorship, I guess it leaves me hesitant to want to mess with a good thing. Also think it should remain open. Some poor soul searching if they should buy this Shitty game, wouldn't be as likely to come here.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 10, 2016 2:09:09 GMT
Its just when i see what SOTA forum is like, with all the merges, and locked forum posts, and censorship, I guess it leaves me hesitant to want to mess with a good thing. Yeah I wouldn't merge anything at that level, but just move sub-forum messages into one forum. Like stretch goal sub-forum has two posts in it haha. Most of us, including me most of the time, skip posting in the subforums anyway because 95% of the content is in General.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 10, 2016 12:31:56 GMT
So what it sounds to me is you guys would like the forum to stay in some capacity, yeah? SotA content of course wouldn't be removed, just put into a single forum where discussion could continue as is now.
Release it to the public again?
Comments or likes will tell me why or yes.
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Post by johndoe on Jan 10, 2016 17:59:03 GMT
So what it sounds to me is you guys would like the forum to stay in some capacity, yeah? SotA content of course wouldn't be removed, just put into a single forum where discussion could continue as is now. Release it to the public again? Comments or likes will tell me why or yes. Yes, and I think you should continue to point out their inconsistencies and half-truths in your blog posts. Maybe they will better themselves, or maybe you'll discourage people from buying it. Either way its a good outcome. IMO.
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Post by titsup on Jan 10, 2016 19:33:49 GMT
That's basically what I'd like to see. Maybe even remove it from the top, put a general games discussion forum at the top, followed by a SotA discussion forum.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 11, 2016 0:58:59 GMT
So what it sounds to me is you guys would like the forum to stay in some capacity, yeah? SotA content of course wouldn't be removed, just put into a single forum where discussion could continue as is now. Release it to the public again? Comments or likes will tell me why or yes. Yes, and I think you should continue to point out their inconsistencies and half-truths in your blog posts. Maybe they will better themselves, or maybe you'll discourage people from buying it. Either way its a good outcome. IMO. I don't want people to not buy the game I want them to be informed before they do and I want people who still own the game, like me, to get a game as close to what we were sold during kickstart as possible.
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Post by fossil on Jan 11, 2016 1:18:17 GMT
Yes, and I think you should continue to point out their inconsistencies and half-truths in your blog posts. Maybe they will better themselves, or maybe you'll discourage people from buying it. Either way its a good outcome. IMO. I don't want people to not buy the game I want them to be informed before they do and I want people who still own the game, like me, to get a game as close to what we were sold during kickstart as possible. Cept for that boat has sailed, we're not getting what the kickstarter sold. Though I guess that's each individuals perspective. Think @mycello said it right with people playing a game for too long tend to lose interest. Will be interesting when that final wipe happens. That's launch day even if they proclaim that it is not.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 11, 2016 1:32:37 GMT
Cept for that boat has sailed, we're not getting what the kickstarter sold. Though I guess that's each individuals perspective. It isn't perspective. Right now we aren't getting it and it doest exist. Whether we will by the initial Episode 1 "release" or not I suppose yes, remains to be seen. But if we do get it, everything we wanted, it will be that and more(read more multiplayer and POTs) I guess and we can all eat our words. This is what they all cling to though "pre-alpha." Indeed it is hard for us to engage new backers because new backers don't give a flop about what happened in KS, they are backing now because they apparently like what they see now.
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Post by fossil on Jan 11, 2016 1:45:55 GMT
SOTA! Episode 1!
Feature Complete!
Launch date: 2018
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Post by Caliya on Jan 13, 2016 11:25:21 GMT
Release it to the public again? Might as well, since it looks like guests are still reading it anyway.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 13, 2016 12:20:25 GMT
Trying to. Front page hits.
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Post by khael on Jan 13, 2016 16:50:08 GMT
Maybe could use a bit of restructuring, but I wouldnt like to see it go away. I wouldnt have known about the site if I hadnt seen a post where someone talked about making a slime named after IM on the Sota forums, which I find sophomoric and even moreso that a dev liked the post. Would be nice to get the word out more on the site too. The lack of structure on the project and the immaturity of the whole team thats leading Sota bugs me but thats another story.
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Post by titsup on Jan 13, 2016 16:54:07 GMT
SOTA! Episode 1! Feature Complete! Launch date: 2018 from their latest update, it appears you have that backwards. Launch date summer 2016! Feature complete 2018!
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Post by fossil on Jan 13, 2016 18:43:16 GMT
SOTA! Episode 1! Feature Complete! Launch date: 2018 from their latest update, it appears you have that backwards. Launch date summer 2016! Feature complete 2018! Hey but but but it's not official! So they say!
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 0:43:24 GMT
Prediction: Incoming 2yr "live" beta. No wipe from beta to live. SNPFU.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 14, 2016 2:15:40 GMT
Prediction: Incoming 2yr "live" beta. No wipe from beta to live. SNPFU. Yep thats what they will do.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 14, 2016 13:37:30 GMT
Ok, sorry for the late reply in here, we're public again by the way.
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