Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 8, 2016 12:27:44 GMT
If I hadnt found this blog I would of been simmering in silence and thought I was going crazy as I watched everyone drink the Koolaid Possibly if Dallas didn't have such horrid forum policies, we wouldn't even be here. That's probably the whole point. You can be as honest as you like here, and look we aren't at each others throats even when we don't agree. I know it happens on forums, but that is what mods are for. Not keeping out voices that have invested in the game.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 12:33:17 GMT
The real judgement will come down and be passed when the rest of the, what do they say now 500k, backers play this for the first time once the release is mailed out to them. Until then, we'll just have to avoid the same...refreshments.
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Post by themopax on Jan 8, 2016 13:53:17 GMT
When i was doxed by somebody using the insane carebear logo, it was a fucked up attack focused on very personal loss and sharing a surprising amount of personal information. That was the first and last time i came here and most of you found it entertaining. When somebody (and probably the same person) sent me dox on IM and Caliya... i deleted it and warned IM. Arguments about a computer game reaching the point where it puts peoples family and jobs at risk really is INSANITY. Anti-fan daily mail style articles are one thing, threats like this are another. While the attacks on me stopped some time ago, it very much originated here from either a member or a guest troll. Fuck you mystery guy.
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 8, 2016 14:11:58 GMT
Whoever the doxxer is, is part of the SotA non-banned community. And they worry about us over here. Good job Port.
Someone knows who originally sent the doxxing. And their lips are sealed.
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Post by themopax on Jan 8, 2016 14:21:23 GMT
Whoever the doxxer is, is part of the SotA non-banned community. And they worry about us over here. Good job Port. Someone knows who originally sent the doxxing. And their lips are sealed. I don't know how you come to that conclusion since the original targets were me, Violation and Kazyn and the sender used this forums logo, and with us the dox were used to ACTUALLY attack. Most non-banned people don't even know about this forum unless they get linked here. It doesn't really matter who did it if both groups DON'T USE THE INFO.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 14:22:38 GMT
That was the first and last time i came here and most of you found it entertaining. I'm not sure I find anyone being doxxed entertaining, and if I did there was a misunderstanding. I didn't know, or at least didn't realize, anyone here other than myself was doxxed. You must have thought it was me for the longest time I'd guess, for the record it was not :/
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 14:23:53 GMT
Whoever the doxxer is, is part of the SotA non-banned community. And they worry about us over here. Good job Port. Someone knows who originally sent the doxxing. And their lips are sealed. I don't know how you come to that conclusion since the original targets were me, Violation and Kazyn and the sender used this forums logo, and with us the dox were used to ACTUALLY attack. Most non-banned people don't even know about this forum unless they get linked here. It doesn't really matter who did it if both groups DON'T USE THE INFO. Who do they send your info to? I can personally say they have never sent me any of your doxxed info. Where SU is involved, the information flows to one direction, SotA users.
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Post by themopax on Jan 8, 2016 14:24:35 GMT
That was the first and last time i came here and most of you found it entertaining. I'm not sure I find anyone being doxxed entertaining, and if I did there was a misunderstanding. I didn't know, or at least didn't realize, anyone here other than myself was doxxed. You must have thought it was me for the longest time I'd guess, for the record it was not :/ I actually never thought it was you, i thought it was one of your members. And from memory you voiced disapproval at the time.
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Post by themopax on Jan 8, 2016 14:28:23 GMT
I don't know how you come to that conclusion since the original targets were me, Violation and Kazyn and the sender used this forums logo, and with us the dox were used to ACTUALLY attack. Most non-banned people don't even know about this forum unless they get linked here. It doesn't really matter who did it if both groups DON'T USE THE INFO. Who do they send your info to? I can personally say they have never sent me any of your doxxed info. Where SU is involved, the information flows to one direction, SotA users. I don'y know who they sent it to, but i took hits to bank account..had my recently murdered partners image defaced and posted on facebook and my blog, public postings of my address and various passwords .. fun times since my "crime" was being an enthusiastic supporter of a computer game project.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 14:35:34 GMT
That is pretty fucked up!
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Post by themopax on Jan 8, 2016 14:37:48 GMT
Anyway im out again, if nothing else..there is an explanation as to why i went from being sickeningly pleasant to aggressively telling anybody who even vaguely attacks me to go gargle on cocks. Until next time .. fuck everybody. ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 14:39:02 GMT
Anyway im out again, if nothing else..there is an explanation as to why i went from being sickeningly pleasant to aggressively telling anybody who even vaguely attacks me to go gargle on cocks. Until next time .. fuck everybody. ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ Take care then Themo.
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 8, 2016 14:43:18 GMT
Who do they send your info to? I can personally say they have never sent me any of your doxxed info. Where SU is involved, the information flows to one direction, SotA users. I don'y know who they sent it to, but i took hits to bank account..had my recently murdered partners image defaced and posted on facebook and my blog, public postings of my address and various passwords .. fun times since my "crime" was being an enthusiastic supporter of a computer game project. Wait. Your partner was murdered?
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 8, 2016 14:46:02 GMT
The fact the doxxing was being spread through SotA PMs and there was an original sender there, not asking what to do about that information but instead sending it to everyone should be enough of a red flag to report that person to Portalarium. And it also means they have an SotA account.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 14:52:29 GMT
The person who contacted me within the SotA forum said that the info was mailed to him. That seems to indicate it wasn't a PM originally.
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 8, 2016 14:56:14 GMT
An email sender would be even more incriminating, because that can be traced. And it being taken from an email, then dispersed on SotA over PM as well.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 14:57:47 GMT
I agree, but I haven't seen any of that information so I cannot comment.
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Post by wrathphoenix on Jan 8, 2016 18:30:08 GMT
I am an enthusiastic supporter of the project, but I do not try to bother anyone most of the time. I just pitch in if there's something I can do to help. Otherwise i either just run events in game or keep to myself. I had my suspicions, and yes I was as themo said (Wrathphoenix = kazyn in game) attacked on multiple levels but was a bit better prepared to deal with it. I even had said people delivering personal information about Acid to me saying at that time that he WAS IM even back then. I did not draw conclusions or lash out, If you will remember I simply contacted you (Acids twitter account) to warn you that someone was getting this information and sending it out to people. I dont really like the sensationalist stuff. And I dont like that so many things are represented inaccurately and used to reinforce a negative bias against sota... But I also am not going to go out in a rage to lash out at folks. I leave well enough alone and hopefully others will do the same for me. Opinions are like assholes and everyone has one - and is welcome to them. My view of port is simply that they are human beings. Its a difficult job, they make some mistakes and they do some things well. I dont think there's any kind of hidden agenda frankly. That doesnt make people's complaints about them any more or less legitimate... just my thoughts. Anyhow, Saw Themo posted here so just came by to more or less confirm / expand on that statement. I too am out - good day to you all.
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Post by khael on Jan 8, 2016 18:53:29 GMT
Sorry to sound ignorant what is doxxed? and how the f are people getting other peoples email and mailing address info? thats messed up!
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Post by wrathphoenix on Jan 8, 2016 18:55:01 GMT
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Post by khael on Jan 8, 2016 18:56:47 GMT
Ok i know what that is, just always heard that as dos attacked, first i heard doxxed thanks
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Post by Mordecai on Jan 8, 2016 19:59:51 GMT
DOS ≠ DOX To DOX someone is to search for personal information about them to publicize in order to tarnish their reputation or grief them. So... now that we know IM=AA, can we also let IM=JS out?
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Post by wrathphoenix on Jan 8, 2016 20:55:04 GMT
Mordecai is correct, I had confused the topic because I was still thinking in the frame of mind of the DDOS attacks on themo, violation and myself at times. Dox is all about personal info... which is not cool. Well, none of it is cool really... i wish people would sometimes just learn to chill the heck out...
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Post by nemolives on Jan 8, 2016 22:07:09 GMT
When i was doxed by somebody using the insane carebear logo, it was a fucked up attack focused on very personal loss and sharing a surprising amount of personal information. Let's run a thought experiment here Themo; I hate you and want to hurt you as much as I can. In order to do this, I need to be able to attack you for as long as possible, whilst giving you the least ability to defend yourself as possible, yes? So bearing this in mind... why would I use anything which tells you which forum I've come from?
Think about it seriously; if I'm IM, or someone on IMs forums, I've just given you a way to fight back. You can report IM to his ISP or local authorities, ask IM to ban me etc. What possible reason do I have to reveal this deliberately by using an easily recognisable avatar? Isn't it more likely that I'm faking my identity to you in turn to get you to either attack someone I also hate, or just distract from who I really am? I'm personally sorry for the despicable way you were treated, but honestly by believing such a simple act of deception, you were giving them more power than they truly have; indeed I'm rather tempted to think it's someone who doesn't care about the game either way, but just thinks that getting involved in a fight on both sides, amongst MMO fans who have invested tens of thousands of dollars who would seem a pretty obvious trolling target, is the easiest way for them to get any sort of thrill in an otherwise wasted life. The sort of person who spends all day online abusing women because he was caught sniffing their bicycle seats at school.
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 8, 2016 22:55:01 GMT
Here is the BS on it. Themo and Wrath both claim "someone sent it to them." Why don't they tell Port who that "someone" was so that it can be dealt with? Who are they protecting?
Someone knows the answers.
It's been one huge mind fuck. Who gets off on this stuff? Don't we have enough wars and fighting in the world? Do you want to kill or harass anyone that you don't like? Seriously? Maybe seek counseling. Because creating multiple online alts/personas, for whatever the "good" reason, it is not right.
I would never, and have never done that. It's not my job to make the world right, least of all SotA.
For all I know, Mordecai is also IM. And everyone else on this forum - for the purpose of getting people to sign up and doxxing them. Who really knows? I sure as fuck don't, but I feel I've been used. To me the forums were a form of entertainment, but this is not entertaining.
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Post by fossil on Jan 8, 2016 23:21:46 GMT
Here is the BS on it. Themo and Wrath both claim "someone sent it to them." Why don't they tell Port who that "someone" was so that it can be dealt with? Who are they protecting? Someone knows the answers. It's been one huge mind fuck. Who gets off on this stuff? Don't we have enough wars and fighting in the world? Do you want to kill or harass anyone that you don't like? Seriously? Maybe seek counseling. Because creating multiple online alts/personas, for whatever the "good" reason, it is not right. I would never, and have never done that. It's not my job to make the world right, least of all SotA. For all I know, Mordecai is also IM. And everyone else on this forum - for the purpose of getting people to sign up and doxxing them. Who really knows? I sure as fuck don't, but I feel I've been used. To me the forums were a form of entertainment, but this is not entertaining. It's the game Eve Online come to life it seems.
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Post by chodekiller on Jan 8, 2016 23:24:20 GMT
I am an enthusiastic supporter of the project, but I do not try to bother anyone most of the time. I just pitch in if there's something I can do to help. Otherwise i either just run events in game or keep to myself. I had my suspicions, and yes I was as themo said (Wrathphoenix = kazyn in game) attacked on multiple levels but was a bit better prepared to deal with it. I even had said people delivering personal information about Acid to me saying at that time that he WAS IM even back then. I did not draw conclusions or lash out, If you will remember I simply contacted you (Acids twitter account) to warn you that someone was getting this information and sending it out to people. I dont really like the sensationalist stuff. And I dont like that so many things are represented inaccurately and used to reinforce a negative bias against sota... But I also am not going to go out in a rage to lash out at folks. I leave well enough alone and hopefully others will do the same for me. Opinions are like assholes and everyone has one - and is welcome to them. My view of port is simply that they are human beings. Its a difficult job, they make some mistakes and they do some things well. I dont think there's any kind of hidden agenda frankly. That doesnt make people's complaints about them any more or less legitimate... just my thoughts. Anyhow, Saw Themo posted here so just came by to more or less confirm / expand on that statement. I too am out - good day to you all. There is no hidden agenda. people like richard garriott and dallas snell do not hide that they are just lying and scamming pieces of shit. garriott pays himself more than anyone else at portalarium while doing jack shit in new york "playing the game" instead of actually making a game. you know that, i know that, more and more people know that. dallas snell just leeches $$$ while only doing the occasion social engineering faggotry that is the sota forums. sota is a shit game made by a shitty company whose only previous work was ultimate collector. you would do your self a favor in realizing the same thing.
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Post by Mordecai on Jan 9, 2016 0:17:02 GMT
Themo; I hate you and want to hurt you as much as I can. I knew it all along...
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Post by titsup on Jan 9, 2016 0:51:23 GMT
Doxing is for dicks and I don't condone it or do it. I think it's a shitty, petty things to do.
That said, where is the value in someone from here doxing SotA members and saying the information was from here? Tying the information to here, were one to want to do that, would accomplish far more than doxing from here. Obviously I'm biased, but I doubt very much someone here would dox and do anything other than publicly post that person's personal information. This seems like an attempt to discredit or disguise the true aim of the doxing.
So I'll just add again, I don't give a shit about any one person enough to attempt to harass or dox anyone. I disagree with the direction of the game. I don't care about the devs personal lives either. I care about the quality or lack of quality in the product they produce. I care about the design, where it fails and where where it might succeed. I find it an interesting study.
Doxing anyone related to this game deserves condemnation.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 9, 2016 1:16:22 GMT
There is one agenda for someone doxxing them and us and pointing the finger at opposite parties, this; Anarchy. It is what they do. Mordecai is correct, Denial of Service is vastly different than a DOX and I'm surprised you got that wrong Wrath as you say that you were better prepared to deal with it. For all I know, Mordecai is also IM. And everyone else on this forum - for the purpose of getting people to sign up and doxxing them. Who really knows? I sure as fuck don't, but I feel I've been used. To me the forums were a form of entertainment, but this is not entertaining. Well that certainly isn't the case, I don't have that much time on my hands! As I've said in my post, I started this because people were being pushed around on the SotA forum even way back in 2013. In some cases it was worse, Owain and Mystic would literally run people out of the forum and chat. I didn't capture that stuff because it was early days and IM didn't yet exist to do it. Everything from there just took on its own shape, I created these forums from a suggestion on the blog as I also said. I am guilty of taking pot shots of people in my blog through a dark parody, and maybe making it easier for really unscrupulous people to use us as a weapon because we're now in one place but it didn't start here on this forum that much is clear.
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