calico
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Post by calico on Jan 6, 2016 18:11:06 GMT
So...time for some interesting thoughts, I present a comment for your consumption: Bowen Bloodgood: Well a lot of points I would liked to have made have already been made. A lot of spot on comments so far and I'm just going to stop reading and post as I can see this is going to be the hot topic of the day. I'm afraid my opinion on the subject is not what I would describe as backer friendly.. I have little sympathy for those who quit because they've pre-judged an incomplete product based on their own wishful thinking and misconceptions or simply gotten impatient due to unrealistic expectations. Especially those who aren't paying attention or engaging in the process as the devs have been gracious enough to let us do. For which I'm extremely grateful. I'm not sure how much more forthcoming we can reasonably expect the devs to be. People talk about being unhappy with the direction of the game when most systems are only in their early iterations. They throw up their hands and give up rather than sticking with it. Or that what we're getting is somehow not what we were promised.. only that usually seems to turn out to be what they THINK was promised was just their wishful interpretation. Only to find out their perfect vision isn't the same as reality. Then there's the whole "they don't listen".. well.. this team listens but listening to the community is not the same thing as agreeing with the individual.. many of whom often do not consider the merits of how an idea will impact the game as a whole. I have a feeling that a lot of the big backers who have or will leave before launch will eventually regret that decision. And a lot of people out there are going to have egg on their faces. Lots.. and lots of egg.. www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/an-open-request-to-portalarium.43443/
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Post by jackjack on Jan 6, 2016 21:17:45 GMT
Jesus H. Christ
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 6, 2016 21:36:03 GMT
Isn't this the same guy who said it wasn't unlikely to have 500,000 players after launch?
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 7, 2016 3:58:23 GMT
Not sure but it is the same guy who think that axes don't slash and that they are blunt objects.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 7, 2016 4:40:44 GMT
Not sure but it is the same guy who think that axes don't slash and that they are blunt objects. In fairness, I can understand his reasoning - to a point. Axes, particularly battle axes, were blunted after the prominence of plate. While a sharp axe might cut into the plate or even cleave through mail, the blunt axe would take all the concussive threat of a mace (ignoring the physical barrier and damaging internal organs and bones through the armor) and channel it into a narrower point (focusing the force in order to do more damage). A rounded mace would spread the impact and therefore the potential damage, so a blunt axe fixes this by putting more concussive potential into a smaller area, ie. it breaks shit easier, yo. That being said, axes cleave. They cut and separate in the same motion, not unlike swords (although, arguably, most swords take two simultaneous motions - one to cut, to make contact, and another to draw, to pass the blade through flesh and meat more easily with the edge). This is just bad planning. Combat skills should be based on the style of weapons, not whether or not the axe head is blunt or sharp. Maces require little finesse and skill to use; an amateur flailing a mace is just as apt to break bones and crush skulls as a veteran warrior. A fencer versus a kid picking up a rapier for the first time, however, is the difference between nicking the skin and slicing a hand off; swinging a rapier doesn't have the same effects as draw cuts or push cuts, and percussive hits with such weapons would rarely be incapacitating in any manner, much less deadly. Instead, it should have been something like Swordplay (to take into account broadswords, backswords, longswords, KATANA-DESU, bastard swords, great swords, arming swords, falchions, etc.), as the physics involved in using those weapons is ultimately the same; Fencing (rapiers, epees, estocs), since stabbing and point defense is key to fighting with those weapons; Polearms (halberds, polehammers, spears, demi lances, pitchforks, quarter staves), because how you hit with the pointy end is only as important in how you fight with the haft and define your measure; Axes (great axes, hatchets, double axes, bearded axes), because while it can be blunt or sharp, how you strike with the weapon and the circumstances in which an axe is actually useful in a fight make it unique; and Bludgeons (maces, mauls, clubs, war hammers, flails), since these weapons require close quarters, are meant for anti-armor and do not fight in any way, shape or form like the other weapons before it. But that's just the nerd in me hoping for less fuckery in game design and more depth. TL;DR: Port fucked up.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 7, 2016 4:50:27 GMT
100% agree dewd. I would even go so far as to say that having basic classifications for something like that, Swords, Fencing, Poles, Axes, Blunts, isn't even depth. It is pretty fucking basic design to get the facts and classifications for weaponry correct. No?
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 7, 2016 5:00:22 GMT
I'm afraid my opinion on the subject is not what I would describe as backer friendly.. I have little sympathy for those who quit because they've pre-judged an incomplete product based on their own wishful thinking and misconceptions or simply gotten impatient due to unrealistic expectations. Especially those who aren't paying attention or engaging in the process as the devs have been gracious enough to let us do. For which I'm extremely grateful. OT. This is the kind of lazy bullshit argument that really gets my SotA lingerie up in a wad. Starr Long is correct about one thing, making the SotA sausage isn't pretty at all. And the thing is Bowen is smart enough to realize this. So what is the problem? Why does he and everyone else assume that the only reason people are leaving SotA is because of the time it is taking to push out the game? The game is severely delayed due to Player Owned Towns, but it didn't have to be. It would still have been delayed without POTs, but it just adds insult to injury. But that isn't the reason people are selling out. Read between the fucking lines SotA forum-norm. How many people have you seen leave recently? Go read their posts, don't be lazy twats, go and learn the context of their departure. It doesn't have to be delay of game. Could it possibly be all of the Pay 4 Advantage stuff? All of the Whales piling onto any sort of opinion which doesn't support their decided direction of swimming thus resulting in harassment? The fact that what we currently have(dewd says horseshit) doesn't look, sound, or feel like RG's UltimateRPG??? NAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Fuck you InsaneMembrane you toxic flower, you know nothing!
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dodgy
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Post by dodgy on Jan 7, 2016 5:20:42 GMT
Not sure but it is the same guy who think that axes don't slash and that they are blunt objects. Same note a Broadsword should be blunt then
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Post by dodgy on Jan 7, 2016 5:24:31 GMT
Its annoying that if they stuck to the core game, they could of had all these expansions of POTs etc to keep people plaing.
Furre if they worked hard in building the infrastructure to be able to insert new quests it would cut down time on building new stories and quest lines.
I mean to use emulated UO servers, look how much content motivated servers could produce every month
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 7, 2016 5:27:34 GMT
that really gets my SotA lingerie up in a wad I'd unwrap you, IM, but there's so much clipping in those outfits that there's no point in bothering. Why does he and everyone else assume that the only reason people are leaving SotA is because of the time it is taking to push out the game?
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 7, 2016 5:38:41 GMT
Indeed, nothing is wrong because it is just Alpha and unfinished... New guild name idea:
4A Forever Alpha
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Post by dodgy on Jan 7, 2016 5:46:58 GMT
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 7, 2016 9:56:15 GMT
that really gets my SotA lingerie up in a wad. IM reveals he crossdresses. News at 6:00. Ya, agreed, the fact they keep saying people are tired of waiting, what a copout. Or that it wasn't "UO2" when they virtually billed it as such. Expectations they set. Not hopes people had without being plied to expect something. They don't really bother to read the details of why people are disgruntled, otherwise they couldn't say something like that.
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Post by nemolives on Jan 7, 2016 13:37:59 GMT
I have a feeling that a lot of the big backers who have or will leave before launch will eventually regret that decision. And a lot of people out there are going to have egg on their faces. Lots.. and lots of egg. Why though? They can always come back with a basic account again, if the game turns out to be amazingly good fun to play. Some of them can't cash out entirely so they're forced to have an account too. What have they lost then? Oh wait, all the shiny goodies they once had. Which only has noticeable worth if there's a healthy community in game who desires that wealth. What kind of person hopes for wealth at the top and egg on the faces of those at the bottom? But when you have people $60,000 invested who feel like they're not high enough up the pyramid to truly come out of the experience happy, you're starting to see the whole structure crack apart.
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calico
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Post by calico on Jan 7, 2016 15:08:22 GMT
that really gets my SotA lingerie up in a wad. IM reveals he crossdresses. News at 6:00. Ya, agreed, the fact they keep saying people are tired of waiting, what a copout. Or that it wasn't "UO2" when they virtually billed it as such. Expectations they set. Not hopes people had without being plied to expect something. They don't really bother to read the details of why people are disgruntled, otherwise they couldn't say something like that. They also billed it as a Ultima game, not the online one....
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Post by dodgy on Jan 7, 2016 17:01:14 GMT
IM reveals he crossdresses. News at 6:00. Ya, agreed, the fact they keep saying people are tired of waiting, what a copout. Or that it wasn't "UO2" when they virtually billed it as such. Expectations they set. Not hopes people had without being plied to expect something. They don't really bother to read the details of why people are disgruntled, otherwise they couldn't say something like that. They also billed it as a Ultima game, not the online one.... They billed as both. Plus don't forget the UO world tour by dick garriot on the free shards. I wondered how the duck he got away with that from EA
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 0:42:34 GMT
I wondered how the duck he got away with that from EA Never let a chance to pull extra subscriptions in, even if it is just one month and just to see the LB in his second native habitat.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 8, 2016 2:35:34 GMT
I wondered how the duck he got away with that from EA Never let a chance to pull extra subscriptions in, even if it is just one month and just to see the LB in his second native habitat. he did it on free servers
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 2:45:29 GMT
Never let a chance to pull extra subscriptions in, even if it is just one month and just to see the LB in his second native habitat. he did it on free servers I know, I also thought he took a few tours of real UO servers? My bad if he didn't. I never did quite get why EA lets the free servers go.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 2:45:51 GMT
IM reveals he crossdresses. News at 6:00. Ya, agreed, the fact they keep saying people are tired of waiting, what a copout. Or that it wasn't "UO2" when they virtually billed it as such. Expectations they set. Not hopes people had without being plied to expect something. They don't really bother to read the details of why people are disgruntled, otherwise they couldn't say something like that. They also billed it as a Ultima game, not the online one.... One of the most sore points for me.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jan 8, 2016 4:17:41 GMT
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 8, 2016 4:19:54 GMT
+1 for Neil reference. +1 for Stargate reference.
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