completing the mmo - lone wolf style

In Fable 3, you could do everything as single player, but if you wanted a certain achievement, you were forced to group with one other person. I wasn't too happy about that.

LOTRO the mmo that has turned into one large online singleplayer game. It's storyline stuff is still pretty epic.

Ya one time was enough for me. Basically the conversations that get stale after one play through. You can't skip or you miss out on light or dark points.

I guess I don't know now, that was when it launched. The other really odd thing at launch was the assassins were better tanks then the tanks...

In short not particularly, but like I said long time ago at launch and the light and dark sides have different story's. If you enjoy the combat its worth a play through I'm sure it doesn't take forever to do, didn't take long to hit cap at launch. PvP was totally uninspiring before, don't see how that changed. As for space combat never did and prolly never will. I'm a Galaxies fan so this creation left alot to be desired, so maybe I'm biased but the endgame at launch was some of the funniest crap I've ever seen in a MMO. The Operations were so broken and everything was a dps race so... bugs bugs bugs. OH, the holocrons there was two I couldn't get because the body type I had picked at character creation, couldn't fit in the tight spaces to reach them... yep classic lols and I sent a tickets and I wish I still had the email response it was basically, "Yep, we done gone fucked up!".

Saying "Massively Multi-player Online" and "Single Player Campaign" in the same game description should be punishable by death.

Perhaps, so do you believe if there were no SP campaigns in MMOs that you should still be able to eventually solo every mob in the game? I do, of course some skill use is required.

Because there is a lot of content online in form of MMOs that isn't also offered as a stand-alone game. I would say the majority of the gaming content is now created for online play by a great deal, why should that preclude me from enjoying it lone wolf style?

This is generally why I prefer a good sandbox over anything else, they don't really "force" you to do anything, you can just creatively do whatever you want.

Yup, everything you said dewd. +1

I don't think that making a game both SP and MMO is necessarily an issue. I think it can be a benefit. When I played any of the Elderscrolls games, it felt really lonely. You could have a companion in some, but sometimes that companion got torched by some of my "friendly fire."

Thing is, when I played Oblivion or Skyrim, it would've been nice to at least have the ability for LAN venturing. But sometimes our own family & friends don't play games we like, so then you could at least hook up with others to venture.

I have a bit of a problem with forcing people to group tank in order to play a game. Maybe for some end boss or something, but even then if it were level and skill based fighting, it should be able to be accomplished alone.

This. A single player game with co-op is fine. Maybe even 3-4 player co-op or something like that. But MMO means something entirely different: thousands of players on a single server. That's why BF4 and CoD and Chivalry and M&B aren't MMOs: 64-player battles aren't massive.

MMOs maintain a certain expectation, or at least they should. Current trend is that they should be playable single-player with quests and personal storylines, but MMOs make for terrible single player games for a ton of reasons. And that's why we aren't finding really any good MMOs anymore; they aren't treating them like their own beast, but rather a single player game you can play with 40 or 60 or 100 or 1,000 people.

This is another reason why I backed SotA to begin with. Single player(mostly) and smaller instances of epic Ultima gameplay with co-op. Not...whatever this is.