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Post by templara on Jul 29, 2015 18:58:18 GMT
Ok guys so basically who wants to refresh my memory....ok so everything in their Multiplayer is instanced...not only instanced but every instance can hold up to a few dozen people. So this means they won't rly be able to have huge meetings...huge guild fights...huge weddings, huge tournaments....isn't that bullshit?
How do they itend to hold tournys for example? 60 ppl get in and another 500 who wanted to participate are left out cause the instance can't hold more?
Organizing several instances of the same tourny at the same time? That's so wierd it really kicks my pigeon.
It all sounds liek bullshit. Did I miss osmething?
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Post by Caliya on Jul 29, 2015 20:05:17 GMT
No, you didn't miss anything. You got it.
A year ago, when my husband & I would point out on the forums that there's nothing about the game that is not instanced, and they were bitching about not wanting instanced housing - look what they got. And omg did they gank our posts and ask them to be deleted for telling the truth!
They're calling those loads of shit "instanced communities," which are literally no different than all the cloned towns they have. Braemar and Solana look identical. They are instanced, just like POTs and every dungeon, town, random event, basement etc. A seamless game? What a joke.
They want horse mounts to ride across a tiny instanced scene, while the loading screens take almost as long as running across the town.
Now that's great development work, fools. lol
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Post by templara on Jul 29, 2015 20:14:43 GMT
Jesus what a MESS
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Post by templara on Jul 29, 2015 20:15:07 GMT
I havent played SotA. Are there any videos so I can get an idea of how small the instances are?
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Post by Caliya on Jul 29, 2015 21:25:42 GMT
I havent played SotA. Are there any videos so I can get an idea of how small the instances are? In this PvP video, he starts out in Owl's Head overland map. Then he runs to Kingsport so he can reach the PvP area. Once he gets to Kingsport, notice that as long as it takes him to get to the center of Kingsport, it takes to get to the other side of town.
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Post by ChodeKillers on Jul 29, 2015 22:23:45 GMT
No, you didn't miss anything. You got it. A year ago, when my husband & I would point out on the forums that there's nothing about the game that is not instanced, and they were bitching about not wanting instanced housing - look what they got. And omg did they gank our posts and ask them to be deleted for telling the truth! They're calling those loads of shit "instanced communities," which are literally no different than all the cloned towns they have. Braemar and Solana look identical. They are instanced, just like POTs and every dungeon, town, random event, basement etc. A seamless game? What a joke. They want horse mounts to ride across a tiny instanced scene, while the loading screens take almost as long as running across the town. Now that's great development work, fools. lol The whole instanced POT shit really shows what lying fucks they are.
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Post by templara on Jul 29, 2015 22:40:08 GMT
Ey Chode, why dont u make an account? O-o
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 0:41:35 GMT
No, you didn't miss anything. You got it. A year ago, when my husband & I would point out on the forums that there's nothing about the game that is not instanced, and they were bitching about not wanting instanced housing - look what they got. And omg did they gank our posts and ask them to be deleted for telling the truth! They're calling those loads of shit "instanced communities," which are literally no different than all the cloned towns they have. Braemar and Solana look identical. They are instanced, just like POTs and every dungeon, town, random event, basement etc. A seamless game? What a joke. They want horse mounts to ride across a tiny instanced scene, while the loading screens take almost as long as running across the town. Now that's great development work, fools. lol The whole instanced POT shit really shows what lying fucks they are. It always comes down to money. People who invest truly believe the developers listen to them, take their interests to heart in order to have a successful game. But in the end, chaching overrules everything. I mean, in reality, who can blame the company? That's what they're in business for - to make money. Ethics? Virtues? All fly out the window when their main driving force is money. It's not some charity event for everyone to be happy. And they've proven it by all the decisions they make. They try to make it look like they listen and have player interests in mind. But what they really do is take advantage of these dimwit's trust. If the fanboys didn't swallow every piece of crap that Portalarium says, and agree with it just because Port says it, the game would've stop being funded months ago, maybe even right when they made the first decision that caused an uproar. But everyone keeps having this "wait and see" attitude. What many of us saw as big problems a year or more ago, some people are finally starting to wake up and see. But those of us who saw it took a beating just for seeing it. Left the forum for greener pastures.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 1:57:49 GMT
Insanely green ones.
Okay, before I show myself out, I will say that I think I represent a good portion of a lot of backers, particularly in the last 6 months to a year. People who, at first, kept their distance based on the fact that it wouldn't be "UO 2.0" or didn't trust Richard to put out something of quality after the last 15 years of failure and mediocrity. However, when seeing one thing, one little something, no matter what it is or how small, given the current lack of quality games, we clung to it in hope.
For me, it was this video:
I was like, holy shit. That reminds me of UO. Killing people in their houses, even the kind of gear they were wearing and how they were fighting. Reminded me of very early UO. I thought, "Great, there could be a place for me there!" And as I signed up, I saw all the decorating features and the general look and feel, and while I wasn't blown away like the first time my Mustang Delta booted up in Arena Commander, I was pretty excited to give it a go.
That's because I didn't do enough homework. I didn't look into it enough. I didn't know better, but then I learned the hard way. The commentary at the time wasn't as scathing; I swear since I signed up in February, things have blown up in comments sections everywhere. At first it was a lot of speculation, but by March and April - about the time I was sorely disappointed in my decision - I couldn't avoid finding complaints and warnings in every comments section of every review site of the very things I was disgusted by. It's like suddenly that point was met, where it snowballed and people had enough. Sadly I signed up right before or at the beginning of that shitstorm.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 30, 2015 2:15:11 GMT
I hear you dewd, I saw that video also and was thinking just for a moment, we might have something here. But I've been critical of everything we're shown for some time now and that hope died quick.
It is clear that the Devs will not listen to the greater unmoneyed community. Us plebs are just going to have to wait now and see what comes out the other side. Episode 1 is either going to fail or be a failure that is clear. If they have the funds to continue and don't keep straying too far off the path, perhaps by Episode 3 we'll have features in the game like stealing, thievery, no card combat, who knows. But I'm not holding my breath!
Oh, and where you goin dewd!?
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 2:15:38 GMT
A lot of bad systems included with their design of instancing. First off the game is suppose to be designed to run the instances off our computer, however it decides to do that I do not know, but some how it's suppose to pick the best candidate to host an instance. This is most likely why Shroud has never had any down time really, all Port does is host the data server and everything we do in our instances relies on referring to that data server. I believe these people designed this system like this because they are cheap fuckers and want to save money. I honestly don't want 50 or whatever people connected to my computer, however that works. Not only is this a security risk in a way, I don't really want that extra stress in the first place. Second off there is going to be some sort of match making going on for instances at some point, it's possible that you could never see certain people ever. Third off, the block list that is coming will be an issue, we all know the first thing these carebears are going to do is block you, you'll probably never see them again. There is a difference between the block/ignore list we have now and the one that's suppose to come that makes people disappear. IF your a pk and someone doesn't like you, poof your blocked and never a problem again, good system right? lul But yea, who knows how this is even going to turn out when match making and all this crap comes in.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 2:42:05 GMT
I hear you dewd, I saw that video also and was thinking just for a moment, we might have something here. But I've been critical of everything we're shown for some time now and that hope died quick. It is clear that the Devs will not listen to the greater unmoneyed community. Us plebs are just going to have to wait now and see what comes out the other side. Episode 1 is either going to fail or be a failure that is clear. If they have the funds to continue and don't keep straying too far off the path, perhaps by Episode 3 we'll have features in the game like stealing, thievery, no card combat, who knows. But I'm not holding my breath! Oh, and where you goin dewd!? No where, I just made a shitty joke. Figured I'd save everyone the hassle and remove myself for it. lol
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 2:45:32 GMT
I hear you dewd, I saw that video also and was thinking just for a moment, we might have something here. But I've been critical of everything we're shown for some time now and that hope died quick. It is clear that the Devs will not listen to the greater unmoneyed community. Us plebs are just going to have to wait now and see what comes out the other side. Episode 1 is either going to fail or be a failure that is clear. If they have the funds to continue and don't keep straying too far off the path, perhaps by Episode 3 we'll have features in the game like stealing, thievery, no card combat, who knows. But I'm not holding my breath! Oh, and where you goin dewd!? There won't be an episode 3. I'm calling that now. IF they have even an episode 2, it'll be weaksauce, and only because people backed it in KS and I'm pretty sure they have to get something out. But they will likely turn everything off before Episode 3 comes about. According to that timetable, every episode would come out 1-2 years post launch; that's 3-4 years after launch. Simply upgrading the graphics (maybe) won't be enough to make this game attract players, so they can forget new blood. Last year, we had a bunch of games come out, some that really changed our expectations of what an MMO could be. Case and point, ArcheAge. Anyone who played that game and thinks it wasn't amazing I will personally take a shit on. Yes, the P2W and hacks and bugs were game-breaking, but literally EVERYTHING ELSE upped my standards for MMOs. I can forego boob jiggle, but no seamless transitions from land to ships and active, real time boarding based on skill? Get fucked, game. Even Black Desert Online, with its plans for fucking parkour and meaningful trading and gorgeous character customization will have a hard time living up to what ArcheAge showcased. While there has been little to nothing of any repute this year, next year? Ha.. haha... hahaha... HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Anyone who thinks SotA won't be snuffed out of gamers' minds within 30 seconds of New Year's Day on both the MMO and single player fronts needs to ask me about my oceanfront property in Arizona. Black Desert Online. Star Citizen (at least beta, which looks at their ACTUAL pre-alpha is orgasmic). Deliverance. The plethora of UO-successors that will be out of beta to draw the pre-Trammel UO crowds. Those are just a few I thought up, but if given a few more minutes, I imagine I could come up with more. In short, though, SotA can suck it. PS: Thought I posted this and then didn't realize it was the same quote and responded above and flowers.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 30, 2015 2:48:13 GMT
I hear you dewd, I saw that video also and was thinking just for a moment, we might have something here. But I've been critical of everything we're shown for some time now and that hope died quick. It is clear that the Devs will not listen to the greater unmoneyed community. Us plebs are just going to have to wait now and see what comes out the other side. Episode 1 is either going to fail or be a failure that is clear. If they have the funds to continue and don't keep straying too far off the path, perhaps by Episode 3 we'll have features in the game like stealing, thievery, no card combat, who knows. But I'm not holding my breath! Oh, and where you goin dewd!? The plethora of UO-successors that will be out of beta to draw the pre-Trammel UO crowds. Keep us up to date on these if you try them! Or just start listing them out in other games area and see if we can get others to report back. Yay I am now crowdsourcing!
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 2:58:43 GMT
RG said himself that there will only be episodes 3 and so on or something like that if the players support the game, meaning that they get the funding they need. The game is already dead, there is no life for it to be had, if people really like a game, they will play through the shittiest pre alpha in existence. Right now we have a fairly workable game, not a mass amount of bugs, nothing to complain a lot about for a pre alpha build besides developers being lazy not balancing stuff, doing weird stuff, yet barely anyone plays. Right now the game should be packed and it's not, the fundamentals are in and not much will chance at release. Most new gamers these days don't have a clue who RG is too and that is the only thing drawing anyone into this game. You think how these developers attend every game conference pretty much that they'd be drawing in people, that's not even the case. I've seen other pre alpha's with 100x the testing player base than we have now. I believe most will play through the storyline than never come back.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 30, 2015 3:08:21 GMT
I don't remember reading on the kick start "this pledge gets you access to all 5 episodes, but only if they are popular enough to get re-funded"
if they can add that text in after and just create rules around what they already said these fuckers will end up going to court. ...
This is on kick start Blurb: Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtue is the first of a 5 game series of full-length, stand-alone games (each using the same game system), referred to as Episodes 1 through 5. Estimated availability of Episode 1, Forsaken Virtues, is October 2014, with Episodes 2 through 5 estimated for subsequent yearly release
Backer tier: In addition to Episodes 1, 2, and 3, you will receive DRM-free, digital download versions of the final TWO, full-length, standalone games, Shroud of the Avatar Episode 4 and Episode 5 (including Beta access to Episodes 4 & 5)!
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 3:41:46 GMT
Does each episode say what they will actually contain? Notice how vague it is. The entire claim is what you quoted. They will just roll out each one with a couple additional features would be my guess. I mean, if all the players bail prior to Ep3, then I really don't know what that would mean to fulfill Port's obligations.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 3:48:29 GMT
I can see a legal battle in the works too if they don't do all the episodes. That's if someone actually steps up instead of running their mouth.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 3:57:38 GMT
Oh they will. There are several people over there I've seen who have said something along the lines of, "I love SotA and I can't wait for launch, but I won't pay another dime until they get X, Y and Z done." Some whales with some fancy titles.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 5:01:57 GMT
Well in my experience, I've seen many many people rave about taking legal action over certain things in games and in the real world. Most were over legitimate things that they most likely would have a case over. I've actually never seen these people running their mouth actually take action though. People like to talk a lot of legal crap like they are doing something, trying to sound smart, but nothing ever happens. The cost of taking legal action against Port would be expensive as hell and I highly doubt many are capable or willing to even truly consider that.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 5:04:05 GMT
Some of these whales would. They have the money, as they've long since proven. $12,000 for a dinner date with Richard? These fuckos have money.
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Post by fossil on Jul 30, 2015 15:12:27 GMT
Some of these whales would. They have the money, as they've long since proven. $12,000 for a dinner date with Richard? These fuckos have money. This is my biggest issue with the game tbh honest. Who pays thousands of dollars for something that hasn't even been created yet? My own ideology doesn't compute the cost.. I'd rather they had a monthly sub. I could pay for the time I wanted to play and not pay for when I wasn't going too. There basically isn't many game models that look like this anymore and I miss those days. This is truly the 1%'ers game, it has very little appeal to the younger crowd. Now by saying that I'm going to have rebuttals from some that say you don't have to spend that kind of money to enjoy the game but in reality I play games for enjoyment. The enjoyment I get from games is by my work put into them being able to acquire all possessions available. Even if they made some of the houses not attainable by one person's work. They have gated the super nice things through paywalls. So in the end if you don't pay your just a HENCHMEN to the ones that pay lots. Cuz when you have to beg and plead and ask for crap the fundamentals of what a game was intended to be has gone out the window.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 30, 2015 21:54:39 GMT
Some of these whales would. They have the money, as they've long since proven. $12,000 for a dinner date with Richard? These fuckos have money. This is my biggest issue with the game tbh honest. Who pays thousands of dollars for something that hasn't even been created yet? My own ideology doesn't compute the cost.. I'd rather they had a monthly sub. I could pay for the time I wanted to play and not pay for when I wasn't going too. There basically isn't many game models that look like this anymore and I miss those days. This is truly the 1%'ers game, it has very little appeal to the younger crowd. Now by saying that I'm going to have rebuttals from some that say you don't have to spend that kind of money to enjoy the game but in reality I play games for enjoyment. The enjoyment I get from games is by my work put into them being able to acquire all possessions available. Even if they made some of the houses not attainable by one person's work. They have gated the super nice things through paywalls. So in the end if you don't pay your just a HENCHMEN to the ones that pay lots. Cuz when you have to beg and plead and ask for crap the fundamentals of what a game was intended to be has gone out the window. I had a fair bit of cash around then. I thought Richard was an amazing man. UO, ultima, being in space, appearing extremely intelligent even though a bit out there he just lived how he wanted. He made games for him in the early days. I thought it would be amazing tmeet this bloke and ha email a holiday to the US at the same time. I honestly came very close back in 2012 or 2013 to buying it. I know I was a massive fan Boi. It seems obvious he is very good at selling crap and saying what you want to hear. I am ready to accept my punishment IMbros
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 1:39:38 GMT
Haha, you and I both dodgy. At the time, there wasn't a lot of difference to my life if I had spent 500, 5000, or 10000. And RG was the stuff of legend... I certainly would have picked up LotM2 if the community hadn't been soured by then.
/bendsover
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 31, 2015 1:43:54 GMT
I'd rather buy a Sea-Doo.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 1:57:53 GMT
See if I had been LotM2 I could have gotten Sea-Doo mounts in the game. Cos I'm cool like that, and don't like doll houses.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 31, 2015 2:14:21 GMT
See if I had been LotM2 I could have gotten Sea-Doo mounts in the game. Cos I'm cool like that, and don't like doll houses. I could forgive card combat for Sea-Doo mounts, especially if you could pirate house boats with them.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 2:16:50 GMT
Now we're talking. Sea-Doo mounts, some crack shooting crossbow skills, black leather head to toe...wait, do we have Sea-Doo packmounts??
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 31, 2015 2:18:18 GMT
To hell with crossbows. Give me my Tesla-rifle like you promised, you fucking rat tail-wearing has-been!
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 2:23:25 GMT
I forgot about all that. The fantasy RP crowd sure kicked the shit out of his Tesla stuff didn't they. Except for the Radio...
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