Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 3:48:59 GMT
They can buy fucking trees to resale like a fucking Rite Aid at Christmas, but they can't buy some mounts? Y'see, I'm not even bothered that they're ripping people off, I'm bothered that they're being fucking stupid about it. Buy the mounts and resell those, something that will turn a lot of "no"s into "yes"s, you fucking morons. You could have mounts and pack animals from the Unity store! Yes except one thing. It forces someone to have a house in order to even want to buy those decorations. It's all tied to housing and POTs. Horses would not be, unless they require a stable that you couldn't instance. It's obvious why they put in things that require housing to utilize. They're milking the whales for all they can get out of them before the game tanks.
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Post by Sicherdraht on Jul 30, 2015 3:52:38 GMT
For sure the hundreds of dollars I sent in to Port years ago is being used as a laboratory test rat for other game company's and Richard profits, how comforting to know.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 3:56:09 GMT
This is one reason that I'm so hard on the coding of the game. They buy houses off the unity store, retexture them than sell them to us to bank money, what a great scheme right?, but that requires not much coding to accomplish compared to other things like horses. They could very well buy horses off the unity store but they need the code to make them work within the game. That's where the problem begins. Chris can't figure out how to make our avatars crouch or climb a ladder, nevermind mount a horse and ride around the world. Chris just can't go buy the code either because we have a custom world that requires fresh code just to make it work within our world. I'm guessing that they could of very well bought the horses, since there are some in the world already that have been there for a long time. Except I thought Unity had mount assets that only require texturing. Am I wrong?
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 4:01:37 GMT
So what you are saying is: SotA are using our money to build a new Unity code store and the real money they will actually make will be from selling this "new unity game source code" to other would be publishers. Tricksy. This does sound like Richard, exploiting everything. He is a tyrant and will stop at nothing to make that extra coin. When this game tanks and fails, he will blame the toxic community. I'm sure it won't be the the fault of the greatest game maker in history. If anyone ever bothered to look up his history of failure and blaming everyone & everything for his failure, and suing them, they'd know the truth. But there is even someone on this forum who defends SotA as "not RG's game." When you tell them what RG thinks of open full loot PvP (he is NOT in favor of it, clearly from his own words), they don't believe you. Even RG talking about SotA now, as if it's his game and he takes full credit, they still say it's not his game. People like to live in fairytale land.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 4:02:50 GMT
Yea, don't get me started on that radio, probably the dumbest thing I've seen in a MMO besides Wow having people ride around on motorcycles. I'm not saying it's a bad looking item though, would work good in the Sims Online or something similar. Also the fact they they support the charity case, trying to gain recognition through her. I think the concept of the radio was interesting. The people who run it, not so much.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 4:09:15 GMT
Well at first the radio was made directly for her, the chairty case radio slave than it got pushed into being a universal thing.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 4:11:13 GMT
Why're we calling her a charity case, out of curiosity?
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 4:20:59 GMT
I'm the only one that calls her that and I do so because she's a two faced terrible person and she has a medical condition that she uses as a sad story. That's how she got started, people felt sorry for her so they went out of their way to help her. I haven't listened to her crap broadcast forever but in the beginning it was so bad but RG and team kept praising her, the only half sane reason that her garbage would get any praise is because they felt sorry for her.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 4:26:23 GMT
Oh, one of them. I think she was from Catskills or Europa's RP community. I imagine I probably ran into her once before. Lots of sob stories from really shitty women from those communities.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 4:26:35 GMT
Now you might think I'm more than an asshole for thinking that, but what is worse? Me calling things like it is? putting down someone with a medical condition? or someone that uses their medical condition, flaunting it around, telling the never ending sad story for everyone to sob over, just to gain something, to get something? meanwhile treating people like shit.
I have full respect for those injured, disabled, diseased, whatever but I really don't care who you are when you pull wacko shit like she does.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 30, 2015 4:28:39 GMT
Now you might think I'm more than an asshole for thinking that, but what is worse? Me calling things like it is? putting down someone with a medical condition? or someone that uses their medical condition, flaunting it around, telling the never ending sad story for everyone to sob over, just to gain something, to get something? meanwhile treating people like shit. I have full respect for those injured, disabled, diseased, whatever but I really don't care who you are when you pull wacko shit like she does. Nothing wrong with that good sir. In fact it becomes their learned behavior
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 30, 2015 4:39:40 GMT
Or, I think you guys could be seriously underestimating how carebear the community is. They have dance emotes, make ballrooms and discos and shit... I think the radio was a natural carebear evolution of the type of people interested in playing SotA. /sotalyfe
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 4:43:24 GMT
Are you talking about Amber Raine? I don't know anything about her history, or anyone else's on the radio for that matter. lol
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 4:46:33 GMT
Now take a moment to think how the world would perceive the fact that Shroud is a community built game and is giving a person like her with a severe medical condition a place within the game to do her radio, fully endorsed and supported by the development team. It's like one of those perfect stories you hear about, the clueless are going to swallow that up and commend the Port team, they know this, it makes them look good.
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Post by nemolives on Jul 30, 2015 11:38:39 GMT
Sorry, I can't agree with mocking someone for a medical condition; nor even her mentioning any complications from it. If you bang your thumb with a hammer, do you first look around and check if it's socially acceptable to make a noise, or do you cry out without thinking? Sure it's not edifying to hear people go "Jesus FUCK that HURTS!", but that's our problem not theirs.
And at least she is trying to do something creative with her forced downtime from life, and has given something back to the community. It's not her fault though if Portalarium then used her radio exclusively; I'm sure more people would be broadcasting on it, and giving you more content you would enjoy, if they could only afford the actual tools to do so. But when you have to spend at least $30 to even hear the output, who's going to broadcast except the Whales again?
Amber Rain wasn't part of the Europa community though, at least not under that name; I'd know because (dun dun DUUUUUH) I was Europa's EM for a while. In fact as far as I am aware, I'm the only one from that shard who actually bought Shroud. I've been completely unable to interest anyone else, even with my reputation and contacts, they're all put off by the store gouging and are waiting to see what it looks like at launch. And some of them are really into their house decorating too; that the game is "carebear" isn't the issue, it's that they hate the fact that most of the ideas they might have had for nice homes depend upon spending real cash.
A typical conversation went like this;
Me: Hey, remember when I finally got that event set up on Europa as I actually asked for, and we turned it into Hot Tub night for the ladies who stayed behind afterwards? Well, in memory of that I've got my own hot tub here too... Her: Ha ha! That was awesome fun. Can I have a hot tub too? Me: Yes, but it costs $5 in the store. Her: Oh. Really? That puts me off. I think I'll wait then. I don't want to be spending real money on deco.
So yeah, Portalarium are really misunderstanding their audience, even the ones you might think would love all the Sims type stuff. Those to whom money is no object just unlock the items and carry on, but everyone else is seeing all the content being given a real world value and are imagining their homes never being as they'd like it.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 30, 2015 12:43:12 GMT
I'm the only one that calls her that and I do so because she's a two faced terrible person and she has a medical condition that she uses as a sad story. That's how she got started, people felt sorry for her so they went out of their way to help her. I haven't listened to her crap broadcast forever but in the beginning it was so bad but RG and team kept praising her, the only half sane reason that her garbage would get any praise is because they felt sorry for her. Joy likes to play victim any chance she gets...I really don't think her medical condition is the reason. However, it it was ME playing victim, I would probably be a bit more paranoid about who I am. I wouldn't create situations that allow me to play victim. You can't really do that when you pepper your personal information all over the net. Case and point: 1. She uses her real name in her SotA profile. 2. She has no domain protection on AvatarsRadio.com. Her Name, address, phone number are all exposed there. Oh, and BTW, her site is hosted by tatepc.us, our infamous Joe Tate (Violation). He's even more of an idiot. At least Joy had the sense to hide her email address. *boggle* You can't really get angry about people finding out who you are when you make your personal information public. Two fucking morons, if you ask me.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 30, 2015 14:02:46 GMT
Then I must be thinking of someone else. I thought I read a post of hers saying which shard she was originally from, and it being one of the RP communities I was on. It's still funny, nonetheless, that there HAVE been so many cases like the one described above on UO, it actually starts to get blurry. Can't count all the wounded birds that have played it up for attention over the years.
The only thing I know for sure is she's just another drone of ass patting and blind hope. I'll mock her for those actions, because why not laugh at clowns?
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 15:16:07 GMT
Banging your thumb and having a primal human reaction that comes from our inner system that we cannot even really control is a whole different thing than someone going out of their way to get a computer, go on the internet, find a gaming community, start telling everyone possible in the community about their medical condition, referencing how hard it's been, creating a sad story. Even though her radio deal has been beyond shit from day one, that isn't the problem. The problem is, her using her medical condition to her advantage, that she is delusional, she makes absolutely no sense a lot of the time when talking about certain things, she's a complete asshole bitch that treats certain people like complete shit, especially when she doesn't get her own way. She will have a little cat girl hissy fit than try out a new medicated drug rage maneuver, it's quite funny when she tries. The whole situation with Port taking in a charity case with 0 skill just to make themselves look better also makes the whole situation a lot worse. Yea she sits there time after time again doing something no one else will do but that's a low brain cell problem. She hasn't realized that Mmo's don't have radio stations, don't need radio stations, it does nothing for the game itself. She is trying to turn the game into a roleplay sim game like her other obsession, second life and has been very successful at it because of her condition.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 30, 2015 15:29:01 GMT
You know who else loves the second life?
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 19:13:21 GMT
lul Does he actually play it? goddamn shitberg roleplayers.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 30, 2015 19:33:24 GMT
I'll also answer the horse texture question Caliya had. Someone could very well obtain an asset, with animation, code and easily port it into probably the majority of Unity worlds. That's one of the huge benefits of Unity, the ease of use when it comes to this kind of stuff. That being said, yes the horse most likely would do it's animations but within a custom Unity world, you need custom code for the horse. Some examples would be, say the horse get's hit by a fireball, what does it do? if it comes in contact with another custom object, like a rock or something, what does it do? how do the custom character models align with the horse texture, model? how does custom armor align with the horse texture, model? There are tons of little variables within a custom game that other games would not have, which makes it impossible pretty much just to buy a fully working mount to plop into the world. Quite a bit of work has to happen to make it function properly with all the custom world variables. What can happen is they can buy a horse asset, with a very limited animation, that basically does nothing and retexture it. In that case the horse isn't moving anywhere significant or being mounted really, so they can get away with that. Just like what you see at the stable thing.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 20:45:06 GMT
Thanks for the explanation HWB, I hadn't considered what it would take to get an asset working in the game. I know virtually nothing about stuff like that.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 1:26:52 GMT
I'll also answer the horse texture question Caliya had. Someone could very well obtain an asset, with animation, code and easily port it into probably the majority of Unity worlds. That's one of the huge benefits of Unity, the ease of use when it comes to this kind of stuff. That being said, yes the horse most likely would do it's animations but within a custom Unity world, you need custom code for the horse. Some examples would be, say the horse get's hit by a fireball, what does it do? if it comes in contact with another custom object, like a rock or something, what does it do? how do the custom character models align with the horse texture, model? how does custom armor align with the horse texture, model? There are tons of little variables within a custom game that other games would not have, which makes it impossible pretty much just to buy a fully working mount to plop into the world. Quite a bit of work has to happen to make it function properly with all the custom world variables. What can happen is they can buy a horse asset, with a very limited animation, that basically does nothing and retexture it. In that case the horse isn't moving anywhere significant or being mounted really, so they can get away with that. Just like what you see at the stable thing. To re-jig horses with SotA's world and character models, would it cost $250,000 worth of dev time? I just find that value, astonishing. But then, I'm not in the gamedev business either and am def a dumb fuck anyway. Either way, mounts aren't required, the world is too small, they would just be another collectable or part of the character's "costume." I'd rather they spend time on enriching the tiny world we have with interesting stuff than more collectable shit.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 1:28:31 GMT
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Post by ChodeKillers on Jul 31, 2015 1:33:26 GMT
I get you, I was talking about them trying to sell the entire shroud of the avatar code base to other publishers in order for their next marketing move either before or after SotA explodes. With everything already "working" - Port may just need to rejig the assets which were purchased from the store and not able to be redistributed(all community submisions are Port owned now), then what is keeping them from offloading? We actually could end up seeing Joviex and Bubonic's radio in other games, sooner than you thing lulz. That angle would explain a lot of their don't give a fuck, feed them shit attitude since the beginning of the year. Especially by outsourcing the Pot editor code and giving PoT fags whatever they want.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 31, 2015 15:05:48 GMT
It's funny that RG and team have stated that Ardoris is to big of a map, on the player exploring level, not anything related to development limitations. I don't understand this thinking and I believe Ardoris is even way to small. I want to see an instance atleast 10x the size of Ardoris, something that I can actually explore without instancing through multiple places. Half the problem with Ardoris is that it's terribly designed, like someone just started placing crap all over the place randomly with no thought. But yea, we won't be seeing tamers heading back to town with a flock of animals to sell, or people walking back to town incredibly slow because they have so much loot, we won't see any open world stuff like that in this because the instances are tiny. I wonder if RG even ever knew what he was doing or if he always had puppets doing the work for him, he's clueless as fuck.
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Post by fossil on Jul 31, 2015 15:13:36 GMT
In all fairness to RG I'm gonna go on a limb here and state he's nothing more then a name and a figure head for this game.
Personally I believe at some point in his life money became far more important to him over anything else and his greed for more has blinded him from his true talents. Which have been lost from long periods of not actually doing the work.
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Post by Housewife Brtish on Aug 1, 2015 0:47:30 GMT
That's pretty much what I've always said. I'm guessing it happened when EA created UO for him while he sat back almost doing nothing but having his name on the title, probably made a boat load of bank to spend at the gay bar.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 1, 2015 3:27:48 GMT
I dunno, I never liked the Ultima series at all, only UO. The Ultima series always seemed way too cheesy for my taste just by reading the overview. Not in a good kind of nerdy way either. But I know that's just me, as there are others here and elsewhere that probably loved the Ultima series.
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Post by dewderonomy on Aug 1, 2015 3:59:17 GMT
U6 and U7 were great. I've heard U5 is pretty deep and, for the time, U4 was amazing. Exploration in U6 especially felt epic, to me, and there's a browser-based U6 Online with updated content and deeper gameplay that I spent weeks playing a few years ago. I would recommend U6 and U7, if any of them. The tragedy of the Gargoyles and the idea of the False Prophet is spectacular story-telling, in my view.
The other games were pretty much just shitty D&D campaigns of little merit or meaning, which is funny 'cause that's one of the things you can spend a few grand on getting.
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