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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 24, 2015 16:18:57 GMT
There, we have our reason for the Alpha delay: www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/burning-toad-demos-the-first-iteration-of-the-player-owned-town-editor.34024/I estimate Port has spent a minimum of 3 months on this based on the news. Whats next? 200 more emotes? hat editor? More hot tub skins to soak my bawls in? The scope creep here is beyond expected. I will end this on a positive note; it looks like they have found a way around their promised "dev session" for players to template their towns. Only problem is the 180 players who own the towns just caused tens of thousands of people(according to pledges) a further delay to their game.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 24, 2015 16:32:06 GMT
Yep, notice how someone said this would save 6 months dev time on POTs. Look how much time they've already put in. So what Port has done: make you pay for the tools to make your own town. Tools they already have. Giving a blank slate and you do all the work.
Notice also, it's nothing more than a pure echo chamber in there. The dev team wants a pure cheering squad to delay the game for this handful of cheerleaders.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 24, 2015 16:34:25 GMT
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Post by Caliya on Jul 24, 2015 16:50:03 GMT
Look at these fools cheering for flexible placement. You see, if you own a POT, they're "giving" you the tools to place whatever you want, where you want. Look what money will buy you.
They entrust people to make nice looking towns, purely because they have the money to buy them. Everyone else that bought a house, forget that they could be trusted with tools to build their own house, let alone place it on the lot the way they want. They are some sort of lower class folks with no taste.
And look at the $16,115 they raised as a stretch goal for flexible placement. So, folks that own houses won't be able to flexibly place stuff on their own lot, unless they buy a POT. Oh wait. They are capping POTs, or maybe not, maybe making instanced towns for the luxury to place your own paid items.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 24, 2015 16:52:43 GMT
People with houses? You mean the people responsible for directly funding the game so these fags could have POTs?
They had better not allow flex place houses in POTs and not NPC towns.
You haven't seen me rage to the level that will instil.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 24, 2015 18:18:05 GMT
People with houses? You mean the people responsible for directly funding the game so these fags could have POTs? They had better not allow flex place houses in POTs and not NPC towns. You haven't seen me rage to the level that will instil. Well, am I interpreting it wrong? That video shows a guy placing a lot in his POT. People are all gushing over themselves to be able to do the same thing. But people who own houses won't have the tools for flexible placement. It seems to me it's the same tools, isn't it? Whether it's a lot or things within a lot? So why do they make flexible placement for POTs but not for stand-alone home owners? Or am I seeing it wrong?
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 25, 2015 3:01:02 GMT
Ok just had a look at the video. I'd say from the looks you can flexi place the lots themselves, but not houses in lots yet? I didn't see him move any houses within the lot itself.
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Post by nemolives on Jul 25, 2015 10:54:15 GMT
I've never used Unity so I don't know how it handles map heights, nor Dev Client commands; I know with Ultima the toggle was on your account and not the client, so as EM we used the same CC/EC you lot did but had accounts with more commands enabled. We couldn't touch the underlying map however. Normally however (and it was the same when I worked on Dawn of War modding) the map itself is based on a greyscale image or similar, which sets a 2d plane into a series of height values, and it's fixed so that only the Devs (or owners of the Private Shards) can add or edit in the game itself... Think of it like a blanket laid on the floor; the devs set how "up and down" it goes, and then separate to that you have the ability to sprinkle things into the blanket or move them around above it.
My suspicion here is the ability to move around is something tied to the PoT owner's account and enabled to the specific PoT maps... BUT! however it's done, there's no reason why the "move stuff horizontally" code couldn't be transferred to moving houses about the inside of a lot, unless they've got such a shonky code base for houses they aren't treated as a single entity you can easily move about. Such spectacular incompetence is possible I suppose, but I suspect what is really happening is they can't enable it within a normal Lot because that makes a mockery of the Stretch Goal specific to doing that, and further more stops encouraging the whales to spend so much money on PoTs now. Maybe they actually can and just aren't talking about it, because telling anyone anything which might get them spending in the store, instead of actually buying the game is anathema to them. So they'll just sit it out until Episode 2 and then bring the wider enabling in then.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 25, 2015 17:21:30 GMT
So they'll just sit it out until Episode 2
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 25, 2015 18:04:12 GMT
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Post by dodgy on Jul 25, 2015 18:07:03 GMT
I know right.
WTF is she laughing at?
And its OK to release new information to some bum chum on NBNN
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Post by Caliya on Jul 25, 2015 20:57:14 GMT
I've never used Unity so I don't know how it handles map heights, nor Dev Client commands; I know with Ultima the toggle was on your account and not the client, so as EM we used the same CC/EC you lot did but had accounts with more commands enabled. We couldn't touch the underlying map however. Normally however (and it was the same when I worked on Dawn of War modding) the map itself is based on a greyscale image or similar, which sets a 2d plane into a series of height values, and it's fixed so that only the Devs (or owners of the Private Shards) can add or edit in the game itself... Think of it like a blanket laid on the floor; the devs set how "up and down" it goes, and then separate to that you have the ability to sprinkle things into the blanket or move them around above it. My suspicion here is the ability to move around is something tied to the PoT owner's account and enabled to the specific PoT maps... BUT! however it's done, there's no reason why the "move stuff horizontally" code couldn't be transferred to moving houses about the inside of a lot, unless they've got such a shonky code base for houses they aren't treated as a single entity you can easily move about. Such spectacular incompetence is possible I suppose, but I suspect what is really happening is they can't enable it within a normal Lot because that makes a mockery of the Stretch Goal specific to doing that, and further more stops encouraging the whales to spend so much money on PoTs now. Maybe they actually can and just aren't talking about it, because telling anyone anything which might get them spending in the store, instead of actually buying the game is anathema to them. So they'll just sit it out until Episode 2 and then bring the wider enabling in then. Yep, that was exactly my point. They give the tools to POT owners but can't violate that $250K stretch goal for "lowly" home owners.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 25, 2015 20:59:53 GMT
She's so clueless she wouldn't know if someone smacked her. I mean, never did I say POT implementation was the only culprit/reason for delay of game release. It's a myriad of problems, housing and all the Barbie doll decor, hot tubs, POTs, and a host of other utter nonsense are the reasons. The POT debacle is only the most glaring and obvious one in recent days, especially since it's limited to only ~250 people hijacking the damn development for 50K people.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 26, 2015 0:30:48 GMT
So they'll just sit it out until Episode 2 Poor nemolivesRemember when you found out Santa Claus didn't really exist? Well...I have some news for you about episode 2...
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