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Post by dodgy on Jul 19, 2015 3:09:26 GMT
It really is amazing that they chased off a voice of reason. That isn't to say others weren't reasonable, but you never seemed to really attack any person's opinions or the staff aggressively like many of us. It's one thing to ostracize those voices, but when the fair and even voices of dissent are oppressed, every single "tinfoil hat" conspiracy theory of P2W, abusive mods/staff, and talks about this game never launching start to become more believable to outsiders. As I've said before, they'll still get money from people who just don't know better, but with more and more people leaving, it won't take long for people to realize the reality. Either way, welcome. Thank you for the welcome! I've always tried my best to not attack character. Any decent moderator also knows this. But Envy, Gracekain (who now has other forum names), "Duchess" Wyld(something or other), Drocis and some others, regularly attack my character and get away with it. Because the mods want them to do it, those posts remain. I'm not always level headed and yes I've gotten mad. But the posts they've been deleting recently were not even attacking staff or ideas. It was questioning their funding model. When many of us started using the industry-term "whale" the ones who know they're damn well guilty, started crying to their moms that I accused them of being terrible people. Now they'll ban the word whale, as they also banned carebear, land barons, and bourgeois. In reality, it is not the fault of the whales for their own obscene behavior. Portalarium created those monsters. They havent picked up on Illuminati yet
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Post by Caliya on Jul 19, 2015 6:49:06 GMT
When many of us started using the industry-term "whale" lol, bitch... You are a whale. You got it, and gonna bitch slap you with my tail
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Post by 4theLOLZ on Jul 19, 2015 10:20:59 GMT
Anyone can see a whale coming from a mile away, best thing to do is stay the fock away... I don't want to pinch a nerve now... do I? SELL ME UR FOCKING ACCOUNT
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Post by nemolives on Jul 19, 2015 12:16:37 GMT
Hello all,
Interesting to see a debate about my thread over here; to tell you the truth, after my second post on the Shroud forums, I just walked from them and haven't yet been back yet. I did get an email notification of someone PM'ing me later that day apologising for being abusive, which just solidified my decision to not engage for a while.
And mid week of course we got the next update; Player Owned Towns being restricted from being on the map, which was the main selling point of them, which can only lead to favouritism claims as to who gets to be visible. Tree decorations you could buy with no indication at all normal players would ever be able to have them. And the response to the unbelievably complex, and morally questionable account confusion they themselves had created? Locking down the ability to move between deals to try and salvage your own investment, passed off as helping the players.
So if people have been asking for my stuff, soon, I won't even be able to give it to them.
This is yet another illustration of how the funding mechanism has seriously warped even the game design itself. That doesn't mean I necessarily agree with you rapscallions here about what the game should be; but I would fight for your right to be treated with respect and financial equality. Because that's about the kind of person I want to be, no matter who you are. And as long as your fist stops at the end of my nose, swing that around in your PvP areas as much as you like. Shroud seems to have lost track of following higher moral standards in the name of encouraging people to pay them to sit around and dream. But dreams without actions, much less results, are worthless.
Should I go back to the forums and post again? I honestly don't have the heart to, but feel I should because I don't want to just be a drama bomb dropper, and I should stay and fight for what is clearly right. But will it work? I doubt it. Anyway, I doubt I'll post much here either; I just want to walk from it all to be honest.
I just don't get how anyone can fudge the immorality of charging people for thousands and then saying "sorry, our world map is too small to honor all the terms of every sale." And after encouraging people to spend that money in the first place.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 19, 2015 12:28:59 GMT
Hey mate
Welcome!
Just because we got our nose out of joint about PvP doesnt mean we dont respect other people's style of play or what they want from the game. Our pvp argument boiled down to we wanted the social interaction and meaning behind kills that UO offered. We understand its not everyones cup of tea but feel its an important part of an immersive social MMO.
That said we dont really take it out on people who dont agree. We can all find common ground that the game is morally corrupt and that the moderation of the forums and actions of the inner circle have caused SOTA to have a really black mark.
Honestly, if you dont say your piece others wont know about it. But then you open yourself up for the rediculous replies. Its really up to you
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Post by nemolives on Jul 19, 2015 13:26:47 GMT
Hey mate Welcome! Just because we got our nose out of joint about PvP doesnt mean we dont respect other people's style of play or what they want from the game. Our pvp argument boiled down to we wanted the social interaction and meaning behind kills that UO offered. We understand its not everyones cup of tea but feel its an important part of an immersive social MMO. That said we dont really take it out on people who dont agree. We can all find common ground that the game is morally corrupt and that the moderation of the forums and actions of the inner circle have caused SOTA to have a really black mark. Hey there, I have just posted, and pointed out a bit of personal detail over there so I'll mention it here too; I was an EM for UO for a while, and some PvPers would report me endlessly to try and "metagame", they'd break the events we did try and run for them just because they couldn't resist trying to win at any costs, and they'd destroy their own community for short term advantage by trying to get people banned and then complaining events weren't well attended. And when some stuff wouldn't go to plan, because honestly we had no way to test accurately before hand, rather than work with us to keep their play style engaged, they'd try and tear it all down or blow it all up and report me again just for "sucking". So a lot of the resistance you face is because people in the industry have experience with the more extreme elements of your playstyle. And as a parallel you see it on the PvM side too, especially with rares trading in UO where people throw around favouritism claims and end up choking their own gameplay in turn. It's taken years on Stratics for Mesanna to only recently come out and say that EM created stuff is glued so it can't be traded; that sting should have been drawn ages ago, but we were forbidden from explaining the rules... partly out of fear of people metagaming those too, once they knew what they were. That's why if events fail for any reason, we can't make it right on the spot; if we could do that, we could give our friends stuff too. And when you have that kind of institutional paralysis, it's hard to get any real changes made, even when your audience is making it's wishes and fears clear. I wonder if some of you can guess which EM I was? I was one challenging convention, as far as I could see the rules allowed for! But all the time I was fighting both the players AND my own employers; I won't claim everyone loved me, but not everything was my fault either, or for that matter yours as players. Ahh the stories to one day tell! The problem with Shroud lies there then; it's trying to trailblaze the crowd funding path, but the institutionalised way of thinking that has sprung up from it has become seriously dysfunctional, with Whale spending choking every other element of the game. I fully expect most of the coders and design team are doing it for the love of the game, but Portalarium as a company seems unwilling, or unable to stop listening to one small, but very vocal and exceptionally rich part of their community. The money is still coming in, but the playerbase is not, indeed it's being driven away by the design choices made.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 19, 2015 13:37:32 GMT
Hey mate Welcome! Just because we got our nose out of joint about PvP doesnt mean we dont respect other people's style of play or what they want from the game. Our pvp argument boiled down to we wanted the social interaction and meaning behind kills that UO offered. We understand its not everyones cup of tea but feel its an important part of an immersive social MMO. That said we dont really take it out on people who dont agree. We can all find common ground that the game is morally corrupt and that the moderation of the forums and actions of the inner circle have caused SOTA to have a really black mark. Hey there, I have just posted, and pointed out a bit of personal detail over there so I'll mention it here too; I was an EM for UO for a while, and some PvPers would report me endlessly to try and "metagame", they'd break the events we did try and run for them just because they couldn't resist trying to win at any costs, and they'd destroy their own community for short term advantage by trying to get people banned and then complaining events weren't well attended. And when some stuff wouldn't go to plan, because honestly we had no way to test accurately before hand, rather than work with us to keep their play style engaged, they'd try and tear it all down or blow it all up and report me again just for "sucking". So a lot of the resistance you face is because people in the industry have experience with the more extreme elements of your playstyle. And as a parallel you see it on the PvM side too, especially with rares trading in UO where people throw around favouritism claims and end up choking their own gameplay in turn. It's taken years on Stratics for Mesanna to only recently come out and say that EM created stuff is glued so it can't be traded; that sting should have been drawn ages ago, but we were forbidden from explaining the rules... partly out of fear of people metagaming those too, once they knew what they were. That's why if events fail for any reason, we can't make it right on the spot; if we could do that, we could give our friends stuff too. And when you have that kind of institutional paralysis, it's hard to get any real changes made, even when your audience is making it's wishes and fears clear. I wonder if some of you can guess which EM I was? I was one challenging convention, as far as I could see the rules allowed for! But all the time I was fighting both the players AND my own employers; I won't claim everyone loved me, but not everything was my fault either, or for that matter yours as players. Ahh the stories to one day tell! The problem with Shroud lies there then; it's trying to trailblaze the crowd funding path, but the institutionalised way of thinking that has sprung up from it has become seriously dysfunctional, with Whale spending choking every other element of the game. I fully expect most of the coders and design team are doing it for the love of the game, but Portalarium as a company seems unwilling, or unable to stop listening to one small, but very vocal and exceptionally rich part of their community. The money is still coming in, but the playerbase is not, indeed it's being driven away by the design choices made. Thanks for sharing. Understand your angle! But gotta remember arseholes are arseholes Saw you posted again in main forums. Kudos to you. You are dead on about Portalarium. KB or grim linked something about them in another forum that makes for some good reading. HereAnyhoo
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Post by nemolives on Jul 19, 2015 13:57:00 GMT
Yup; the fish tends to rot from the head, as they say. There's some heart in the community, but I have no idea where Portalarium's head is with regards to fundraising! What worries me is they just keep doubling down on the community killing model, so I'm not sure the great creatives that must be there can turn it around... or even stick it out, I have noticed the huge turn over in contractors and constant job opportunities, but I didn't want to speculate as I've not worked for Portalarium. But the gaming industry in general can be a miserable place; check out Tales From The Trenches, the stories not the webcomic, and it's like that at the creative end too. I walked not because of the players, even those that are arseholes, but because I couldn't trust the staff to show basic human dignity to each other a lot of the time. Arseholes may cover everything in shit, but you don't have to digest it and become a mirror of it.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 19, 2015 14:02:01 GMT
And mid week of course we got the next update; Player Owned Towns being restricted from being on the map, which was the main selling point of them, which can only lead to favouritism claims as to who gets to be visible. Now I see, thanks for coming here to take the type to explain Nemo I have an article I've been wanting to write on this, and now I think with that I can write it up. If you don't mind me writing about how you posted and how they just ate you alive.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 19, 2015 14:39:08 GMT
It is finnneeeee man, we've all done at at some point in our lives. It doesn't make you a homosexual so give it a try, I mean it isn't like buying a tree from the SotA store or anything! Yeah, that's WAY MORE demeaning than a face full of jizz. BTW, isn't that what the whales are paying for? A facial from their god, Sir Richard? They certainly aren't paying for a game.
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Post by nemolives on Jul 19, 2015 15:44:12 GMT
And mid week of course we got the next update; Player Owned Towns being restricted from being on the map, which was the main selling point of them, which can only lead to favouritism claims as to who gets to be visible. Now I see, thanks for coming here to take the type to explain Nemo I have an article I've been wanting to write on this, and now I think with that I can write it up. If you don't mind me writing about how you posted and how they just ate you alive. Well you and I approach things very differently, and I prefer to speak for myself But if you want a quote from me it would be; "It's weird to find out that the lunatic outlaw forums full of people who want to chop you up and eat you in game, are more sympathetic than those with whom you might have spent decades sharing a love with, just because you now wonder if that love is still justified." But what doesn't differ, despite how you and I approach things, are the facts; From the last Newsletter; However, the towns were on sale to anyone, not just those with Dev+ access. If you didn't have that (and I don't) you can't have known this, and would have been spending money blind with regards to what they already knew would be a changing offer. Nor could you have known that at the time of the change being announced, they were already over their prior assumed cap. And are the new Towns being discounted to account for this lack of functionality? And how would it even work to "link" towns anyway, will towns have double or treble names on the map, or when you enter you get the choice of different towns? Are individual town owners going to be told they have to accept this linkage with their own purchase? Because if they can opt out, and everyone in a certain biome (Coastal, Desert etc) does, what does that mean for someone who buys a city of that type but then no one in such a hex wants to link to yours? Do you end up having a Desert biome half way up a mountain because that's the only place someone will let people enter your city via theirs? All of this could have been avoided right from the start just by not giving in to the desperation to sell anything at all to raise money, and only finding out what happens to your game design later, when you try and implement it, thus having to go back and change the terms of the sale because you discover you can't.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 19, 2015 17:04:09 GMT
Now I see, thanks for coming here to take the type to explain Nemo I have an article I've been wanting to write on this, and now I think with that I can write it up. If you don't mind me writing about how you posted and how they just ate you alive. Well you and I approach things very differently, and I prefer to speak for myself But if you want a quote from me it would be; "It's weird to find out that the lunatic outlaw forums full of people who want to chop you up and eat you in game, are more sympathetic than those with whom you might have spent decades sharing a love with, just because you now wonder if that love is still justified." But what doesn't differ, despite how you and I approach things, are the facts; From the last Newsletter; However, the towns were on sale to anyone, not just those with Dev+ access. If you didn't have that (and I don't) you can't have known this, and would have been spending money blind with regards to what they already knew would be a changing offer. Nor could you have known that at the time of the change being announced, they were already over their prior assumed cap. And are the new Towns being discounted to account for this lack of functionality? And how would it even work to "link" towns anyway, will towns have double or treble names on the map, or when you enter you get the choice of different towns? Are individual town owners going to be told they have to accept this linkage with their own purchase? Because if they can opt out, and everyone in a certain biome (Coastal, Desert etc) does, what does that mean for someone who buys a city of that type but then no one in such a hex wants to link to yours? Do you end up having a Desert biome half way up a mountain because that's the only place someone will let people enter your city via theirs? All of this could have been avoided right from the start just by not giving in to the desperation to sell anything at all to raise money, and only finding out what happens to your game design later, when you try and implement it, thus having to go back and change the terms of the sale because you discover you can't. I am not sure I can really add to any of that, I can't disagree because I agree. Our ways are different, but I wonder, after what happened to you Nemo how on New Britannia can anybody speak on that forum with the voice honesty in a difference of opinion? I gave up on that long ago. Hence stands before you the broken Alt account you see
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Post by kb on Jul 19, 2015 18:09:19 GMT
You are dead on about Portalarium. KB or grim linked something about them in another forum that makes for some good reading. HereMust've been grim who posted that (or maybe even HWB/dewd/chodekiller), bc... it was not yours truly.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 19, 2015 18:10:25 GMT
Hello all, Interesting to see a debate about my thread over here; to tell you the truth, after my second post on the Shroud forums, I just walked from them and haven't yet been back yet. I did get an email notification of someone PM'ing me later that day apologising for being abusive, which just solidified my decision to not engage for a while. And mid week of course we got the next update; Player Owned Towns being restricted from being on the map, which was the main selling point of them, which can only lead to favouritism claims as to who gets to be visible. Tree decorations you could buy with no indication at all normal players would ever be able to have them. And the response to the unbelievably complex, and morally questionable account confusion they themselves had created? Locking down the ability to move between deals to try and salvage your own investment, passed off as helping the players. So if people have been asking for my stuff, soon, I won't even be able to give it to them. This is yet another illustration of how the funding mechanism has seriously warped even the game design itself. That doesn't mean I necessarily agree with you rapscallions here about what the game should be; but I would fight for your right to be treated with respect and financial equality. Because that's about the kind of person I want to be, no matter who you are. And as long as your fist stops at the end of my nose, swing that around in your PvP areas as much as you like. Shroud seems to have lost track of following higher moral standards in the name of encouraging people to pay them to sit around and dream. But dreams without actions, much less results, are worthless. Should I go back to the forums and post again? I honestly don't have the heart to, but feel I should because I don't want to just be a drama bomb dropper, and I should stay and fight for what is clearly right. But will it work? I doubt it. Anyway, I doubt I'll post much here either; I just want to walk from it all to be honest. I just don't get how anyone can fudge the immorality of charging people for thousands and then saying "sorry, our world map is too small to honor all the terms of every sale." And after encouraging people to spend that money in the first place. I have liked your posts over there. Trouble is, the funding model was flawed from the very start, day 1. Some of us complained in the beginning and have been ganked repeatedly. We are only now seeing many more people finally wake up to the problems with their funding model. POTs should never have been developed to begin with. You'll only continue to get ganked, and in the end, nothing will change. They're locked into that funding model and it's not going away.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 19, 2015 18:10:57 GMT
Oh and welcome to the community, Nemo!
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Post by Caliya on Jul 19, 2015 18:24:17 GMT
Hey mate Welcome! Just because we got our nose out of joint about PvP doesnt mean we dont respect other people's style of play or what they want from the game. Our pvp argument boiled down to we wanted the social interaction and meaning behind kills that UO offered. We understand its not everyones cup of tea but feel its an important part of an immersive social MMO. That said we dont really take it out on people who dont agree. We can all find common ground that the game is morally corrupt and that the moderation of the forums and actions of the inner circle have caused SOTA to have a really black mark. Hey there, I have just posted, and pointed out a bit of personal detail over there so I'll mention it here too; I was an EM for UO for a while, and some PvPers would report me endlessly to try and "metagame", they'd break the events we did try and run for them just because they couldn't resist trying to win at any costs, and they'd destroy their own community for short term advantage by trying to get people banned and then complaining events weren't well attended. And when some stuff wouldn't go to plan, because honestly we had no way to test accurately before hand, rather than work with us to keep their play style engaged, they'd try and tear it all down or blow it all up and report me again just for "sucking". So a lot of the resistance you face is because people in the industry have experience with the more extreme elements of your playstyle. And as a parallel you see it on the PvM side too, especially with rares trading in UO where people throw around favouritism claims and end up choking their own gameplay in turn. It's taken years on Stratics for Mesanna to only recently come out and say that EM created stuff is glued so it can't be traded; that sting should have been drawn ages ago, but we were forbidden from explaining the rules... partly out of fear of people metagaming those too, once they knew what they were. That's why if events fail for any reason, we can't make it right on the spot; if we could do that, we could give our friends stuff too. And when you have that kind of institutional paralysis, it's hard to get any real changes made, even when your audience is making it's wishes and fears clear. I wonder if some of you can guess which EM I was? I was one challenging convention, as far as I could see the rules allowed for! But all the time I was fighting both the players AND my own employers; I won't claim everyone loved me, but not everything was my fault either, or for that matter yours as players. Ahh the stories to one day tell! The problem with Shroud lies there then; it's trying to trailblaze the crowd funding path, but the institutionalised way of thinking that has sprung up from it has become seriously dysfunctional, with Whale spending choking every other element of the game. I fully expect most of the coders and design team are doing it for the love of the game, but Portalarium as a company seems unwilling, or unable to stop listening to one small, but very vocal and exceptionally rich part of their community. The money is still coming in, but the playerbase is not, indeed it's being driven away by the design choices made. Tbh, I think Portalarium uses the whales as their cover. When the whales say or want something that Port has already agreed about behind closed doors, they give the whales credit. That's the way it comes off anyway. I mean, look at the game release date that came and went. What did they do? They cried to the community, saying, oh, do you want to wait for a better game or have us release it as it is now? Well, who on earth wouldn't say they wanted a better game (especially in the disastrous state it was at, at that time)? Then they're all like, ok, so we made a democracy (fat chance) and the votes have it. Such nonsense. What professional company does something like that? It's just gone downhill from there. They don't think down the road about how the consequences will play out (or maybe they do and are in it for the short haul even though they're supposed to produce 5 episodes). You want us to develop you a POT? Oh sure, let's charge this stupid fee that's cheaper than a house and plots (for the low end) and what do you mean we might need a cap? We want to rake in the dough, while forgetting about limited housing (which was also a stupid decision). They could have limited housing in such a way to make a desirable market. And POTs as well. But the 2 systems don't mix at all. Don't get me started on combat either. That card system, what a joke.
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Post by Mordecai on Jul 19, 2015 20:11:13 GMT
The parkour is too simple.
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Post by templara on Jul 19, 2015 23:11:37 GMT
The fuck you talking about? We dont respect fucking carebears. Jesus christ.
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Post by templara on Jul 20, 2015 1:03:29 GMT
Yes this is the underworld of SotA. InsaneMembrane is the ferryman and the lord of the Underworld. Mordecai is his angel of death and the messenger. When someone's time in the upworld realm of SotA is up, the messanger comes to take them to the Underworld. I am Templar, master at arms and the overlord of the SotA hell, where all carebears go after they die to suffer eternally. 4thelolz is a homosexual schizophrenic wizard who is able to visit this realm and troll us. Lord British's wife is my whore. I visit her at night in the shape of a glowing dragon and fuck her.
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Post by templara on Jul 20, 2015 1:10:45 GMT
By the way insane cum guzzling bitch... The dumb shits just flat out delete threads when they get too out of hand... They've been owned on several fronts. It is finnneeeee man, we've all done at at some point in our lives. It doesn't make you a homosexual so give it a try, I mean it isn't like buying a tree from the SotA store or anything! Yea! It's not gay if balls dont touch!
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Post by templara on Jul 20, 2015 1:15:00 GMT
there was that pic, fuck i lost it, it was in russian anyway...
so in the picture there are two guys fucking a gay dude in the ass and mouth, and it says: When you and your buddy are fucking a fag, you're not gay if: 1. You dont make eye contact 2. The fag is not allowed to cum.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 20, 2015 1:22:16 GMT
there was that pic, fuck i lost it, it was in russian anyway... so in the picture there are two guys fucking a gay dude in the ass and mouth, and it says: When you and your buddy are fucking a fag, you're not gay if: 1. You dont make eye contact 2. The fag is not allowed to cum. Lol I thought it wasn't gay if you didn't push back. Or the oldie and a goodie I'm not gay but I've fucked plenty of guys who are
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Post by templara on Jul 20, 2015 1:39:04 GMT
Hey mate Welcome! Just because we got our nose out of joint about PvP doesnt mean we dont respect other people's style of play or what they want from the game. Our pvp argument boiled down to we wanted the social interaction and meaning behind kills that UO offered. We understand its not everyones cup of tea but feel its an important part of an immersive social MMO. That said we dont really take it out on people who dont agree. We can all find common ground that the game is morally corrupt and that the moderation of the forums and actions of the inner circle have caused SOTA to have a really black mark. Hey there, I have just posted, and pointed out a bit of personal detail over there so I'll mention it here too; I was an EM for UO for a while, and some PvPers would report me endlessly to try and "metagame", they'd break the events we did try and run for them just because they couldn't resist trying to win at any costs, and they'd destroy their own community for short term advantage by trying to get people banned and then complaining events weren't well attended. And when some stuff wouldn't go to plan, because honestly we had no way to test accurately before hand, rather than work with us to keep their play style engaged, they'd try and tear it all down or blow it all up and report me again just for "sucking". So a lot of the resistance you face is because people in the industry have experience with the more extreme elements of your playstyle. And as a parallel you see it on the PvM side too, especially with rares trading in UO where people throw around favouritism claims and end up choking their own gameplay in turn. It's taken years on Stratics for Mesanna to only recently come out and say that EM created stuff is glued so it can't be traded; that sting should have been drawn ages ago, but we were forbidden from explaining the rules... partly out of fear of people metagaming those too, once they knew what they were. That's why if events fail for any reason, we can't make it right on the spot; if we could do that, we could give our friends stuff too. And when you have that kind of institutional paralysis, it's hard to get any real changes made, even when your audience is making it's wishes and fears clear. I wonder if some of you can guess which EM I was? I was one challenging convention, as far as I could see the rules allowed for! But all the time I was fighting both the players AND my own employers; I won't claim everyone loved me, but not everything was my fault either, or for that matter yours as players. Ahh the stories to one day tell! The problem with Shroud lies there then; it's trying to trailblaze the crowd funding path, but the institutionalised way of thinking that has sprung up from it has become seriously dysfunctional, with Whale spending choking every other element of the game. I fully expect most of the coders and design team are doing it for the love of the game, but Portalarium as a company seems unwilling, or unable to stop listening to one small, but very vocal and exceptionally rich part of their community. The money is still coming in, but the playerbase is not, indeed it's being driven away by the design choices made. Jesus christ, I would **LOVE** to hear more stories!! Please!!
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Post by templara on Jul 20, 2015 1:40:56 GMT
there was that pic, fuck i lost it, it was in russian anyway... so in the picture there are two guys fucking a gay dude in the ass and mouth, and it says: When you and your buddy are fucking a fag, you're not gay if: 1. You dont make eye contact 2. The fag is not allowed to cum. Lol I thought it wasn't gay if you didn't push back. Or the oldie and a goodie I'm not gay but I've fucked plenty of guys who are lmfao, laughing hard. See, it's easy to not catch the gay even if u fuck gay dudes, you just gotta folow the rules! Phew, at last I can go bang some faggots. What a relief! *walks away mumbling to himself "...dont push back...balls dont touch...is not allowed to cum..."*
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Post by templara on Jul 20, 2015 1:45:09 GMT
I wonder, how many houses could the UO map fit in total? Not counting Malas and Trammel.
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Post by Dewderonomy on Jul 20, 2015 3:05:45 GMT
Depends. 7x7s? Probably a few thousand. But because they aren't lots and people could place a big house square in the middle of a clearing and take up 2-3x as much space, it quickly becomes less than a thousand, for sure, plus not everyone wants a cottage (although two of my favorites was the stone workshop and the mage tower).
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 21, 2015 2:09:30 GMT
Now I see, thanks for coming here to take the type to explain Nemo I have an article I've been wanting to write on this, and now I think with that I can write it up. If you don't mind me writing about how you posted and how they just ate you alive. "It's weird to find out that the lunatic outlaw forums full of people who want to chop you up and eat you in game, are more sympathetic than those with whom you might have spent decades sharing a love with, just because you now wonder if that love is still justified." insanemembrain.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/et-tu-community/
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 21, 2015 2:38:47 GMT
"It's weird to find out that the lunatic outlaw forums full of people who want to chop you up and eat you in game, are more sympathetic than those with whom you might have spent decades sharing a love with, just because you now wonder if that love is still justified." insanemembrain.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/et-tu-community/I like to look at it this way as well:
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 21, 2015 2:51:02 GMT
Accurate.
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