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Post by Ravicus on Jul 2, 2015 16:12:12 GMT
It is true that I have multiple accounts. It is not my intention or care really if people live in my town or not. I want to have a theme town for evil rp. It will be rp/pvp. I also backed Abydos's town for full loot pvp. The reason I want multiple properties is because I want to sculpt the town to what I want it to look like. With the tax free lots I don't have to worry so much about taking a break from the game and losing my spots. I will never charge tax for rent. I actually am planning on giving my friends what ever I can for lodging in the town via room permissions or basement room permissions. Hell I wont even live in the keep, it will be for my guild members. I will probably live in the light house or cemetery basement lol. I do have hopes for the game and I do have skin in the game. It would be in my best interests to promote the game. Now you can call me a fanboy blinded by my monetary input all you want. Its cool. Can I ask you a question though. Why do you guys care so much about it really. If you guys did not care about sota then you wouldnt even be here badmouthing it. It perplexes me that you go out of your way to bash something you could care less about lol. But anyways I do enjoy the good show you guys put on. I'll be your whipping post. Continue the lashings. Uhhh... Pointing out that a lot of higher dollar backers have 3+ houses/rent-free lot deeds to place is hardly whipping or lashing you. It's just making the point that all of these PoTs and dev-created settlements that are spread out across the world are going to be filled with underutilized real estate and will probably feel like ghost towns to the casual player who strolls through them, even if people are exploring them during prime playing hours. You yourself allude to part of the problem ("With the tax free lots I don't have to worry so much about taking ab reak from the game and losing my spots"). How full of life are your structures and PoT going to be if you are taking your break (and presumably some of your friends and guildies are too)? Now imagine other backers doing the same thing at random intervals. You really think there are going to be enough people logged in, mucking about their houses, to make most of these soon-to-be ghost towns feel like anything more than a repository for redundant housing??? ^This does not appear to bode well for the "living world" kind of feel they are wanting to achieve. Just more empty scenes full of nothing to do (unless you're a dollhouse decorator). FWIW, I'm hardly the first person to express this concern. It's not attacking you, I just pointed at you as an example because you recently shared you hold like 5 higher dollar pledges (and if I remember correctly, each of those pledges includes 3+ structures to place). Finally, as for why do many of us care so much about it, really? Well, for me, there is the fact that I put what was a lot of money for me into the game and was treated like shit for my trouble. So, there is a bit of vindictive schadenfreude to enjoy when I now share my criticisms that were always valid (but went unheeded time and time again). Also, I still hold (as do most here) a $45 pledge. So we are backers still, though many of us are unwelcome to share our feedback on the forums or on steam indefinitely. And, as for the comment about how we wouldn't be badmouthing the game if we didn't care about it, that's where you, and Starr, and FL and the rest fail every time. You think these kinds of points are "bad-mouthing" when in fact, they are valid criticisms that should be addressed (but won't be, because the game and its team have people like you defending most of their bullshit). Even if we won't ever play the game, it doesn't change the fact that a HUGE portion of the things people say here is valid (and you will see it come true when the game launches and ultimately disappoints). There are some quality individuals who have moved on and are truly done with SotA (e.g., Gunga Din), and some of us who have realized there is some pleasure in pointing out the obvious and expressing the things we were never allowed to express when posting over in the land of sycophancy. I don't see how my motivations have to be any deeper than "it feels good to say what I think and not have to hem and haw and kiss-ass all the time while I"m doing it." Believe it or not, I used to be very active on MMORPG's forums years ago and would comment and criticize many games and their design choices, even if they weren't my game of choice. There is still something valuable about critical thinking, regardless of what the subject at hand is. Whether I care that much about SotA is beyond the point. I care about expressing myself and having my say about how its developments is going (something I originally believed I was getting when I pledged). Oh I see your points of contention. You still have skin in the game. One little correction we get 2 property deeds not 3 . Sure we get a lot more houses but no extra deeds to put them on. Maybe I was wrong to state the term bad mouthing instead of criticism. It is how I read it, but words are hard to express feelings with I understand. Critical thinking is a plus also. I have nothing against that. I am not trying to curb anyones right to say anything. It does however get muddied when the character assassinating goes in. I am not pointing the finger at you specifically, just at the overtone of these forums. You might have a better chance at debate and conversation if a person that comes here does not get the vibe that they are not going to have a decent conversation, just a biased tongue lashing. I am not saying anyone has to mince words, but if you want honest feedback, then hear both sides, instead of one side perpetually saying the same thing and feeding off of each other.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 2, 2015 16:13:26 GMT
Hope that you have a lot of imaginary friends to rp with. The sole reason that I post here is because I stand against fake people, fake people spreading false information, I'm tired of these terrible developers now a days, pumping out trash mmorpg after trash mmorpg, just to attempt to get a piece of the money. British is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to developers in the industry, barely anyone even knows who the clown is, unless they grew up in that era, yet this guy talks a whole lot of crap like he is top notch special. He's like a little child trying to prove his worth in the industry because no one recognizes him, I've never seen a pampered rich city child talk as much unprofessional trash as him. All these things that these guys try to pull behind everyone's backs, whether it's a their marketing scheme , going back on said things, pre buying, ripping, whatever the case, someone has to say something about it while the fanboys are memorized. I know for a fact that the developers read this forum, as do many other fanboys that support this glorious turd. I've seen their reaction to some posted information here and that confirms that posting here is worth while.
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Post by kb on Jul 2, 2015 16:19:20 GMT
You might have a better chance at debate and conversation if a person that comes here does not get the vibe that they are not going to have a decent conversation, just a biased tongue lashing. I am not saying anyone has to mince words, but if you want honest feedback, then hear both sides, instead of one side perpetually saying the same thing and feeding off of each other. Wow. Don't you see the irony in what you are saying? Most of us are posting here because the official forums are just what you describe: A place full of biased tongue lashings with one side perpetually saying the same thing and fanboys feeding off of each other. Want some decent conversation that deviates from the party line? Don't even bother, or you will get a firsthand taste of FL's banhammer.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 2, 2015 16:19:28 GMT
At the moment, I still have a citizen pledge. Clearly not as much as the rest of the people still actually active over at the den of terror. Principle is all I can answer on. Portalarium sold me something for my $500 and I didn't get it, almost immediately. Not because of the fact the game is like two years overdue, but because they have lied, cheated, and stolen their way forward. At least, it seems like they have. If they actually haven't and it just seems that way, then it is even worse that they haven't been able to manage their image and community direction what so ever. Look at me, us, don't you think I and we would rather put time into something worth while as well? Contribute our thoughts and time into what we were sold to begin with? I can't speak for everyone, but yeah I would like to help. Just one problem, I'm not going to get on my knees and suck anyone's cock to do it. I was sold the promise of what Starr actually thinks his crowdsourced ecosystem is actually doing, not what we all here can see it has turned into. Nawwww, just fucking kidding lulz. All this place is about is calling you lot of fucks carebares without getting banned yo I understand man. Political correctness is pretty bad. It gets worse when you have a forum that has many different countries and languages. People report others for innocent mistakes and such that way. I wish they were more open over there also, but political correctness is the new policy for america and beyond. It sucks but it is what it is.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 2, 2015 16:23:41 GMT
You might have a better chance at debate and conversation if a person that comes here does not get the vibe that they are not going to have a decent conversation, just a biased tongue lashing. I am not saying anyone has to mince words, but if you want honest feedback, then hear both sides, instead of one side perpetually saying the same thing and feeding off of each other. Wow. Don't you see the irony in what you are saying? Most of us are posting here because the official forums are just what you describe. A place full of biased tongue lashings with one side perpetually saying the same thing and fanboys feeding off of each other. all I am saying is a bit more civility would bring you more debate. You will not be moderated here anyways. So if you want more debate all I am saying is you will attract more people with honey instead of vinegar. Now if you don't want people to debate you its cool too. You will just have all the lurkers stopping by and reading your rants eating popcorn.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 2, 2015 16:24:08 GMT
Finally, as for why do many of us care so much about it, really? Well, for me, there is the fact that I put what was a lot of money for me into the game and was treated like shit for my trouble. So, there is a bit of vindictive schadenfreude to enjoy when I now share my criticisms that were always valid (but went unheeded time and time again). Also, I still hold (as do most here) a $45 pledge. So we are backers still, though many of us are unwelcome to share our feedback on the forums or on steam indefinitely. Bingo. I still have a Knight pledge and no avenue to drive what I see as problems back to the devs, all because a bunch of butt-hurt social misfits and an overzealous, caustic forum moderator can't take criticism of the game or their behavior. When I look at the list of pledge "rewards", I can list all those things I paid for that I can't take advantage of due to the ban. That alone should warrant a refund, IMO. Banning someone from the forums is one thing, but disallowing Dev+ access, which is something touted as a pledge reward, is another. The least those morons could do is refund part of people's pledges and drop them to the Navigator pledge level if they are going to disallow something paid for as part of a pledge.
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Post by kb on Jul 2, 2015 16:31:06 GMT
Wow. Don't you see the irony in what you are saying? Most of us are posting here because the official forums are just what you describe. A place full of biased tongue lashings with one side perpetually saying the same thing and fanboys feeding off of each other. all I am saying is a bit more civility would bring you more debate. You will not be moderated here anyways. So if you want more debate all I am saying is you will attract more people with honey instead of vinegar. Now if you don't want people to debate you its cool too. You will just have all the lurkers stopping by and reading your rants eating popcorn. False civility is the problem. Nobody was sour. I mentioned you because you were a recent example of a backer with many properties and you interpreted those fairly benign comments to be equivalent to a tongue lashing and whipping. How can anybody expect to have a real debate with people who react like that??? It's your own thin-skin that is coloring your perception. I guess that's an after effect of spending too many hours posting where they coddle and shelter all of you from even the faintest hint of criticism. Also, calling them "rants" is hardly a step toward having a healthy discourse. Again, from my perspective, it is YOU who bring the toxicity to the discussion when overreacting to what is often calm and rational criticisms. Granted, there are plenty of people here who do rage and rant (myself included), but that's on them and should be taken in the context of where that rant is posted and from where it originates. However, when SotA-supporters come here and get all bent out of shape about fairly innocuous stuff, it's hard to take their stated desire for civil discourse seriously, especially when most of them are posting under pseudonyms and are far nastier than those of us who post regularly here.
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Post by argyle The on Jul 2, 2015 16:31:33 GMT
Alright, fuck that, I'm not counting through 301 pages of people. But take a look for yourself.
Yep. Skimming through the first 10 pages, I see ZERO people playing SOTA (plenty playing Terraria and ARK: Survival, tho). I do think Myrcello looks at this place from time to time (maybe he stopped visiting it though), so perhaps he'll address this either here or in the thread he started on the official forum. In any case, if I had to bet, I'd put my money on the steamcharts being the correct number because every time I look at SotA's info on steam, it never gives a number for how many people are in-game (not sure why this is omitted, unless they don't want people to see how few players are actually playing their cash machine masquerading as a game). In contrast, click on ARK's community hub and you find 48,000+ players in-game, consistently. Terraria Shows 112,000 in-game as I write this, too. Even if ALL of that information was wrong, if there were 1300 people playing through steam, it would have been near the current top 100 of Steam games (or in it depending on the time of day). The fact that steamcharts pulls its data directly from the Steam API really eliminates a good deal of questioning the validity of those numbers.
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Post by Ravicus on Jul 2, 2015 16:34:35 GMT
all I am saying is a bit more civility would bring you more debate. You will not be moderated here anyways. So if you want more debate all I am saying is you will attract more people with honey instead of vinegar. Now if you don't want people to debate you its cool too. You will just have all the lurkers stopping by and reading your rants eating popcorn. False civility is the problem. Nobody was sour. I mentioned you because you were a recent example of a backer with many properties and you interpreted those fairly benign comments to be equivalent to a tongue lashing and whipping. How can anybody expect to have a real debate with people who react like that??? It's your own thin-skin that is coloring your perception. I guess that's an after effect of spending too many hours where they coddle and shelter all of you from even the faintest hint of criticism. Also, calling them "rants" is hardly a step toward having a healthy discourse. Again, from my perspective, it is YOU who bring the toxicity to the discussion. Granted, there are plenty here who do rage and rant, but that's on them. However, when SotA-supporters come here and get all bent out of shape about fairly innocuous stuff, it's hard to take their stated desire for civil discourse seriously. I see your point but I thought I said I was not pointing my finger at you. anyways I am not here to argue or complain about anything. I don't think I have been bent out of shape really. I just have been having a conversation. I am not trying to draw a line with an us vs them mentality, I am merely here in discussion.
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Post by kb on Jul 2, 2015 16:40:57 GMT
I see your point but I thought I said I was not pointing my finger at you. anyways I am not here to argue or complain about anything. I don't think I have been bent out of shape really. I just have been having a conversation. I am not trying to draw a line with an us vs them mentality, I am merely here in discussion. Understood. And yeah, you are right, I'm not saying you are one of the bent ones (though you do come across as too thin-skinned when we mocked you for your boasting/etc). The bent ones are the ppl like 4theLOLZ who are so cowardly they don't even post their vitriol under their official forum names. The huge difference between the two groups is that any from the den of terror can come here and post (even anonymously), while MANY of us aren't afforded the same luxury when it comes to posting over there (even under our account names). (P.S. FWIW, I think IM just likes to rile all of us up from time to time by posting as a "4theLOLZ" type and then sits back and laughs as we hurl feces around the monkey cage in anger... I wouldn't put it past such a sneaky weasel... he's diabolical that way)
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Post by kb on Jul 2, 2015 16:43:46 GMT
Even if ALL of that information was wrong, if there were 1300 people playing through steam, it would have been near the current top 100 of Steam games (or in it depending on the time of day). The fact that steamcharts pulls its data directly from the Steam API really eliminates a good deal of questioning the validity of those numbers. Thanks again, Argyle (both for the feedback on this stuff and your earlier breakdown of the Steam Review numbers). Really interesting, and very helpful for understanding things better.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 2, 2015 17:02:53 GMT
I see your point but I thought I said I was not pointing my finger at you. anyways I am not here to argue or complain about anything. I don't think I have been bent out of shape really. I just have been having a conversation. I am not trying to draw a line with an us vs them mentality, I am merely here in discussion. Understood. And yeah, you are right, I'm not saying you are one of the bent ones (though you do come across as too thin-skinned when we mocked you for your boasting/etc). The bent ones are the ppl like 4theLOLZ who are so cowardly they don't even post their vitriol under their official forum names. The huge difference between the two groups is that any from the den of terror can come here and post (even anonymously), while MANY of us aren't afforded the same luxury when it comes to posting over there (even under our account names). (P.S. FWIW, I think IM just likes to rile all of us up from time to time by posting as a "4theLOLZ" type and then sits back and laughs as we hurl feces around the monkey cage in anger... I wouldn't put it past such a sneaky weasel... he's diabolical that way)
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 2, 2015 17:20:30 GMT
I started out in kickstarter thinking this game would be amazing with British's name on it, as things progressed, they hid a lot of details and I wasn't happy with some of the direction in the game. I more than many times tried to have civil conversations with the developers and the community on subjects. Mainly I was ignored and some people like Violation, Amber, Bubonic, Joviex, banded together to put people down that suggested anything other than what the developers were feeding them. After still trying to reason with these people and others, not gaining any ground, being treated like that by blind devoted fanboys, I started realizing that it was pointless, that the developers don't listen and the fanboys will only like what the developers put in front of them, even even when it is crap. After seeing endless people getting their legitimate concern treads deleted, people getting banned for speaking out, seeing the developers rig reviews, rig the steam reviews by deleting, banning, promoting only good reviews, you it's kind of obvious that posting within Port territory is a no go. If these carebears want to have a civil conversation, they can come here to do so, where we know our treads, thoughts won't be manipulated by a city girl trying to be country.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 2, 2015 17:25:20 GMT
Oh yea and the majority of what these tards tried so hard to shut me down on before, they are now in favor of because the developers finally began implementing it. Go figure. lul
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 2, 2015 21:50:00 GMT
all I am saying is a bit more civility would bring you more debate. You will not be moderated here anyways. So if you want more debate all I am saying is you will attract more people with honey instead of vinegar. Now if you don't want people to debate you its cool too. You will just have all the lurkers stopping by and reading your rants eating popcorn. False civility is the problem. False civility. That's exactly what it is. I play several online games. H1Z1 is one of them. In voice chat, we scream at each other, call each other names, but at the end of the day we help each other out and in many cases even form friendships. It's real, like a family. We get to see the entire range of emotions and we all manage to work it out without a single person getting banned or reported. That's not how the SotA community operates. Everything is so forced. I think everyone knows the image of two actresses who meet and do that "fake" kiss on the cheeks. It's insincere, everyone knows it, but it's all for show. That's what the SotA community feels like. All image, no substance. The entire virtues thing is equally nauseating because it's also all for show. I don't believe for a second that anyone over there (with the exception of a few complete losers) buys that bullshit. It's a weapon that Fire Lotus uses to suppress anything that fucks with image of Portalarium or the game. It serves no other purpose than to serve up shit as Shinola. I really hope Portalarium and it's high-level backers get everything they deserve...and that's not much.
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Post by The Real Envy on Jul 3, 2015 0:07:08 GMT
I'm actually pretty sure that guy posting here was Envy. It was something he said in game and the fact that he had a couple of short bans on the official forums. I was thinking that as well. Some of the things he said and the way he said them were way too much like Envy on the SotA forums. Unless the person posting did an awful lot of research into Envy's "style", I'd say it was him and daddy Portalarium caught him and gave him a time-out. Hate to break it to you all, but it wasn't me posting. I actually didn't even know about this forum until someone posted on my youtube channel. I suspect it was either someone should I have pissed off (I expect there are many) or someone who just wanted the thrill of being me.........all a bit sad really.
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Post by The REAL Real Envy on Jul 3, 2015 1:16:59 GMT
I was thinking that as well. Some of the things he said and the way he said them were way too much like Envy on the SotA forums. Unless the person posting did an awful lot of research into Envy's "style", I'd say it was him and daddy Portalarium caught him and gave him a time-out. Hate to break it to you all, but it wasn't me posting. I actually didn't even know about this forum until someone posted on my youtube channel. I suspect it was either someone should I have pissed off (I expect there are many) or someone who just wanted the thrill of being me.........all a bit sad really. Don't believe this lying liar. *I* am the real Envy (and Spartacus). P.S. Weasels rules, frogs drool.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 3, 2015 1:25:49 GMT
Hate to break it to you all, but it wasn't me posting. I actually didn't even know about this forum until someone posted on my youtube channel. I suspect it was either someone should I have pissed off (I expect there are many) or someone who just wanted the thrill of being me.........all a bit sad really. Don't believe this lying liar. *I* am the real Envy (and Spartacus). P.S. Weasels rules, frogs drool. Is there an echo in here?
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Post by templara on Jul 12, 2015 13:02:54 GMT
False civility is the problem. False civility. That's exactly what it is. I play several online games. H1Z1 is one of them. In voice chat, we scream at each other, call each other names, but at the end of the day we help each other out and in many cases even form friendships. It's real, like a family. We get to see the entire range of emotions and we all manage to work it out without a single person getting banned or reported. That's not how the SotA community operates. Everything is so forced. I think everyone knows the image of two actresses who meet and do that "fake" kiss on the cheeks. It's insincere, everyone knows it, but it's all for show. That's what the SotA community feels like. All image, no substance. The entire virtues thing is equally nauseating because it's also all for show. I don't believe for a second that anyone over there (with the exception of a few complete losers) buys that bullshit. It's a weapon that Fire Lotus uses to suppress anything that fucks with image of Portalarium or the game. It serves no other purpose than to serve up shit as Shinola. I really hope Portalarium and it's high-level backers get everything they deserve...and that's not much. So fucking true. I hope Port fails miserably. Damn if I was from Austin i'd break Starrs legs.
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 12, 2015 13:46:04 GMT
False civility. That's exactly what it is. I play several online games. H1Z1 is one of them. In voice chat, we scream at each other, call each other names, but at the end of the day we help each other out and in many cases even form friendships. It's real, like a family. We get to see the entire range of emotions and we all manage to work it out without a single person getting banned or reported. That's not how the SotA community operates. Everything is so forced. I think everyone knows the image of two actresses who meet and do that "fake" kiss on the cheeks. It's insincere, everyone knows it, but it's all for show. That's what the SotA community feels like. All image, no substance. The entire virtues thing is equally nauseating because it's also all for show. I don't believe for a second that anyone over there (with the exception of a few complete losers) buys that bullshit. It's a weapon that Fire Lotus uses to suppress anything that fucks with image of Portalarium or the game. It serves no other purpose than to serve up shit as Shinola. I really hope Portalarium and it's high-level backers get everything they deserve...and that's not much. So fucking true. I hope Port fails miserably. Damn if I was from Austin i'd break Starrs legs. lol The more people talk in the SotA forums, the more they give up little details about themselves. There seems to be a lot of people from Texas in the "in-group". It makes me wonder how many were friends of Richard before the game started and he convinced them to pony up 11K. If the game fails my guess is there will be a pre-made posse in Texas ready and willing to break some legs! Just sit back and enjoy the show. ;-)
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