The Reddit link has plenty of detail about just how tone-deaf and counter-productive and just outright hypocritical the moderation has become; but just some goodies from the forums threads;
Apparently if you have 0 children in June, 2 children in July, and I kill one in March, you've actually gained children, so it's all ok!
From the second link;
However
if you're Jammaplaya, and you claim Portalarium are sharing your real life information with him so he can target you for harassment, Berek will quite happily ignore that even when informed in a private message! Do all game companies do this? I rather suspect not.
Anyway, the moderation rules are obvious:
Er... are we supposed to believe that it's a community standing thing instead? And you don't understand that obviously those who support the game will support those who continue to support the game... and turn on those who don't? Especially because so many of them have fucked up lives and are desperately hoping Shroud will give them a new virtual life; or are tens of thousands of dollars in the hole hoping to relive their childhood; or make RMT profits off the game? But no, I'm sure that none of this would ever influence how welcome someone is at Shroud.
From that third thread; why it's our old friend, and sufferer from some sort of serious real life illness, Jammaplaya again!
Yeah, personal attacks are just terrible,
attacks like complaining about just how easily I tear him apart on Reddit over on the Shroud forums under an alt account called Noganoo, say. Surely no moderator would be stupid enough or so horribly biased enough they wouldn't see just how toxic and dishonest someone making attacks like that is, right?
Oh. Berek would. There he is, discussing what everyone else can see is Jammaplaya's mental illness driven need to try and control the forums as if it was a reasonable post, even though he KNOWS Jammaplaya has bragged he's used information from Portalarium to try and make rune_74 feel afraid Jamma will harm his children. Even though Berek knows I've named Jammaplaya, and Reddit and Shroud as evidence to the Police in my country as my chief suspect in criminal actions taken against me. "Causing disruptions", you say?
Except you DO know about it. And you don't care because Jammaplaya claims to be supporting the game. How much support to you think there will be for the game if I ever get proof from the UK police my report WAS connected to being critical of the game, and I then go public with it? Because I'm going too. I don't have children I need to protect like IM or Rune_74...
Check 2112Starman's posting on Reddit. If you guessed "I'll bet it's well informed, politely argued, and utterly impersonal" well... guess again. By now you're probably starting to spot a pattern of the typical PK douchebag who plays "Forum PvP" and has got very adept and going right up to the line they can get away with, whilst remaining a complete and utter shit bag in character and real life; Jamma, Starman, Ox_Null, they all do it because they know Portalarium really doesn't care what they do, as long as they don't do it to anyone who is still giving them money or praise.
And this of course is just the right side of the line. For starman though, not you or I. But there's no bias!
But action is finally taken!
So er... some abuse is moderated out! Hurrah! Except... admitting you're manipulating the forums via trying to be insulting just to lock down OTHER PEOPLE'S threads to stop them expressing their opinions is left in.
So maybe our visitor from a while back was telling the truth after all. Craftymethod had a similar nervous breakdown on Reddit recently, where he openly wept because it was killing him we wouldn't obey him and put all our criticism in one thread, where it wouldn't be seen, and allow the rest of Reddit to only be positive and supportive.
And look, I might be sympathetic to the genuine illnesses you, MrAdventur3 and maybe even the honestly evil and fucked up Jammaplaya have... IF you didn't treat Shroud as if it was the thing going to cure you, and hate us because we're supposedly stopping your lives being better. We're not. Being so obsessed with Shroud is ANOTHER SYMPTOM of your sicknesses, it's not the thing that's going to save you. Hell, the game won't even be there for long anyway unless Portalarium somehow find a way to turn around the disastrous funding driven design they have... personally I don't believe they can any more. So even if I were sympathetic, which you lot have gone out of your way personally to make sure we're not to you, when the game craters you're going to find your mental health even worse off. For YOUR OWN SAKE step back, before reality knocks you back again.
That was 2112Starman slandering another user uncensored. Funnily enough, it's always those who are running multiple alts that accuse others of having them on the forums; like say the noganoo account Berek knows is Jammaplaya, but didn't ban either.
And then this fine example of how Berek doesn't understand his job;
Brigading, eh? You'd think he'd understand it because I linked him to the thread claiming organised reporting above; but nope, report as often as you like, there's no possible way to do that wrongly!
And now, another mature, well reasoned, not at all personally abusive or drama llama post from 2112Starman;
How silly is it to think that just because Portalarium act like they've had a lobotomy and can't see what's right in front of their faces, that no one else can? You're in a thread talking about how the toxic moderation on the forums is driving people away, and you think it's somehow a personal victory to PROVE IT?
Starman; I can speak completely honestly here, which I can't do even at Reddit. You're a fucking moron. Seriously. You go to Reddit and act like a complete cock, after Jammaplaya has spent months making your community look toxic already, as if he hasn't already shit the bed you're trying to get into, and then tell yourself you're making us angry... But you're not, you're making us look like we're completely RIGHT. Encouraging you to show everyone your true face justifies everything I've ever done or said about Shroud. In fact, sometimes I find myself bursting out laughing when I remember particularly stupid comments like the one above.
Indeed you're so dumb, you seem to think you can persuade someone neither as insecure nor as stupid as you that basic facts are somehow wrong, or just a matter of opinion. Look at that quote above about player numbers; do you honestly think we can be persuaded that 150 is better than 600? But that's you too when you come out with crap like this; we aren't talking about opinion; your opinion means shit. You've already proven that; you've got terrible taste, and are just a miserable shitty person. We're talking about the actual facts; and the facts are the game isn't getting players in. Even when it's free, it can't hold most of them for even 2 hours. Yes it holds you; but you spend most of your time trying to be an even bigger cock than you know you really are. Most people aren't cocks. Most people don't like Shroud. And again, we're not angry about that... it's bloody joyful to be able to find someone who is a complete cock and rip them apart...! and then find that they're so damn stupid they come back, with everyone around them saying "For god's sake, stop the fight!", but there you are thinking moronic ignorance is the same as undefeated strength... And every time, more and more people see you swagger up, wave your tiny intellectual cock, and say "Jesus, go on then, knock him down again!"
But no no no, you go on thinking trying to insult us on the official Shroud forums makes all the people there like YOU. Bwahahahaha.... you go on "sabotaging" Shroud better than we ever could. Or wanted too. All we're doing now is saying "See the community? Unmoderated complete cocks, you don't want to be part of it, just like we didn't either."
And there's two pages of this train wreck to go!
Janelle then goes on to say;
People like Janelle who went on a spectacularly unhinged rant to me, when I PMd her the proof of moderator bias she claimed she'd never seen before, about how she thought one victim of real life harassment didn't deserve her sympathy because she'd heard rumours that they'd left a lighthouse up as an act of protest, but she hated it was shining in her window and she should be made to take it down...
If you noticed that in this same thread, she now believes that there is dubious moderation, well done, you're more self aware than she is.
God the remaining community is FUCKING AWFUL. How did a game that was supposed to be the spiritual successor to one of the first RPGs to be known for it's intelligence and depth and virtuous lessons end up made of Ayn Rand fanatics, broken and miserable individuals, and outright evil sociopaths?
Except! Oh no! Etc.
This wouldn't be "calling people out" now, would it?
I wonder if she means the SU forums? Except we never tried to foster a "destructive enviroment". I mean, our post history is still right there on the forums to be checked. And I at least could still add to it, if I wasn't a man of my word and just didn't want to engage with their community there any more and meant it. When was Fionne Wyldmane ever an enemy of ours anyway? I don't think she was?
So if she's talking about another blog, which was outright "Forum PvPing".... how does this disprove our claims that there are organised groups on the forums trying to meta-game it? How does claiming there is, leaving hints and thus meta-gaming against... who anyway?, and Berek not deleting that meta-gaming show he knows all about that kind of game, WHEN HE'S JUST ALLOWED IT IN THE ABOVE POST?
Shroud double standards make my head hurt.
Unless you get labelled as a saboteur, troll etc, and then your hissy fits aren't acceptable. Fortunately you're still in good standing, so you can admit to being less than decent and still be seen as decent because everything that supports Shroud is ultimate all holy light and talcum powder and HOLY FUCKING CHRIST WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THE DOUBLE STANDARDS?!
Put aside the bad grammar, as I said on Reddit he probably means he knows someone who was banned on the official forums. It's not me, because I was never short term banned, let alone long term.
Unless he means me on Steam. In which case I know who he likely is, or was friends with. And the truth is rather different from what he claims.
Or does he mean rune_74?
Whose ban was rather controversial to say the least, so much so the moderator trying to leak it in public got his comments pulled; and Greyfox apparently can't be arsed to read up why, or bother reporting honestly on it if he has. Oh, and once more, another Shroudie who forgets you can cross check his claims at Reddit too. Click rune's user name. Feel the hatred? Hardly.
But the above isn't personal slander either. No, no, no... And there's the admission that another individual "Pushes limits", and calls someone a retard which avoids censorship again! Is Berek just not bothering reading the thread that he's merrily debating with someone who threatens peoples children in? Why is EVERYONE in this community a "Self Admitted Asshole But You Have To Love Me"...?!
There's one on the final page too. See if you can spot it!
All this in just a few days... phew, and they STILL don't see why people are disgusted with the community!
