Let's Play Jammaplaya Bingo!

man that dude needs some help

Hey! Just thought I'd pop on and let you know there is a Discord channel called The SotA Disaffected that someone created recently. I managed to get an invite from another forum. There are only three people using it( not very often) and the guy almost never logs in, but I can send invites if any of you want a spot to text/voice chat or plan your Jammaplaya attacks in private. ;-) PM for an invite.

You know, people talk so much about Discord, yet I have no idea what it is! Apart from various forums, I've cut my social media presence back to virtually zero over the last few years, as I just don't need people outside of my nearest and dearest these days...

But we don't need to humiliate him any further, and get him to stupidly reveal all his alts and his lack of personal quality in his blind rages; classless to the end, the person apparently sick of drama looks like he tried again 7 hours ago, but he's getting auto moderated now.

On Reddit.

He's such an asshole he's auto-banned from Reddit.

Will he have the basic awareness to realise he's simply not as smart as the people he's trying to fight, and bow out now? I highly doubt it. People that broken in the head don't tend to realise they're broken. So here's a classic rage comic instead!



Edit: Yup, he tried again whilst I was typing in between cooking food, automoderated 40 minutes ago here too. 6 days between my first report, winding him up so badly he couldn't control himself any more, and getting him banned from Reddit.

No, shoobie has a considerable past history on his reddit profile; and Jamma doesn't have the patience or talent to create one. He will of course have the orgasms in real life that you suggest. It's also irrelevant to me. People that broken are so far beyond the sanity horizon that the real world doesn't touch them, pro or negative; as shown by the image he sent out widely, bragging about how frightened he was making rune_74... despite the very text itself showing no such thing. He just imagined it anyway, because he needs that imaginary victory to deal with the life he's actually got. Every single thing any one says therefore feeds into his insanity.

And I can use that for my own ends. By getting him to show his true nature more and more, I've proven the main claim of most of the positive reviews, that "the game is made by it's amazing community", simply isn't true. In small pockets, maybe. But it's also largely made up of Real Money Traders, arrogant Whales who want to be feudal lords, and former UO PKs who treat online gaming as their own sociopath playground. And for everyone neutral out there watching, they observe the sociopath when he thinks Portalarium won't act against him, and come to agree with me about what that says about the kind of experience they'd likely have too.

Oh, Portalarium can claim they don't accept that definition of their community... well, go on then, ban the people who are happily proving that's exactly what they're like. Make the community better for all of us. Here's all the evidence, look. Here's proof of me PMing it to you, on Steam and on your official forums. Here's your community slandering an individual in an unmoderated thread right now... And of course, nothing ever happens. And that's fine by me, because if you don't want to tackle it, my argument just got even stronger. And other people can see that too.

And I thus save those people from wasting their money like I did, or finding their game time polluted by such poison. Draw the sting now, save them losing a limb later. In a small way, by managing to keep the reality in the front and centre of the public eye, I've done the public a great service.

Thus, I win. They win. Everyone but Portalarium and the horrendous monsters they encourage wins. Whether the monsters are capable of understanding that or not... hardly matters to me.
 
Anyway, if you say "don't feed the troll", you still give them power. All they have to do is choose an argument you want to make, declare it's "feeding" them, and thus they control the conversation. But the only power they have to enforce it is, as you say, only to "get your goat".  If you really believe in your values, the first thing you have to do is take your goat outside and shoot it. He that have life and goat hath given hostages to fortune. Make your argument because it's right, not just because someone keeps going "nyer nyer nyer" at you for making it. You have to be hard enough to simply not care, and thus, you overcome.

Ever been through some really tough times? I mean real, life threatening traumas? If you've survived them, did you do so by weeping, or because there was a part of you that was strong enough, hard enough, cold enough to cling on? That doesn't mean you can't, or shouldn't also weep. But the truth, the real value of a person is in those hard parts that hang on. An online troll, coming up against that strength, has no real power.  Indeed, the only reason they desperately need feeding is because they're so weak they never learned to develop that strength for themselves. They can only be parasites, never the host.  Hence Jamma's quoting Nietzsche trying to make me think I was becoming like him; he's clearly never read Nietzsche and knows nothing of the actual philosophy... all he can do is suck.

I read it though, and so much more; I learned, rose up, grew... part of that growth was from the original Ultima series. If Portalarium chooses now to piss all over the spirit of the Virtues just to keep the lights on one more day is their choice. But I don't have to meekly accept that myself just because I might once have admired an image called Lord British.  They picked people like Jammaplaya and Envy as their audience today. Let them all say you can't criticise today, because the game isn't done, blah blah blah. I don't care. I think what I think. Let them try and stop me saying it by censorship or harassment. But I can't be bullied. And whilst I still have strength, I'll punch back...

There was an article by the Guardian's own resident troll on that very subject today. The media went along with the new, Trump style politics because it's fantastically good for business; Trump gets page clicks and viewing figures, and their own personal ego doesn't let them see they're undercutting their own future survival (and that of the planet), they have to out compete Trump, and each other, because Trump won't ignore them and he isn't going away. It's this line in particular that illustrates the problem:

“What’s more likely,” he then asked, “that an American journalist will write a column about media manipulation, or try to rally colleagues to prevent it?"

They'll go for the column. And that's the wrong answer. The correct one is to unify and fight it.

Your example troll was nothing like a Trump. He just didn't care enough about what you thought. You see it as he wants you to try and respond; I'd say it's much more likely you don't even exist to him, because he's so immersed in his own insanity. Where as a real threat comes back again and again, and doesn't try and hide its ugliness. It wants to win, it wants to destroy you: You don't have the luxury of not responding. You either beat it and survive, or you don't.

Or to give you a personal example; out walking with two friends of mine one day, and some local thugs who hated one of my friends attacked us, and kicked the absolute shit out of him whilst holding a blade across my throat so I didn't intervene. Goes to court, and their lawyer does his professional trolling to make us look like we were just as bad. Asks the friend who was attacked "You were looking for a fight that night too, weren't you? You enjoyed the violence didn't you?" Kept needling him, needle, needle until obviously, because he's still traumatised, he snaps and shouts "No, fucking no!" and gets flustered and angry.  That's successful trolling. Take undeniable facts, and turn them around. Get you to lose control of your identity and use it against you. The lawyer didn't know all the details of my friends life, just took a lucky guessed he could push a button about self identity, and that one worked. I'd learn later that friend had also been sexually abused by an Uncle. Asking a person to never remember such things happened is impossible; and if you can't forget, then asking the world to always be decent and not take advantage of your fears and self loathing etc that comes from those experiences is equally foolish. It was the Lawyers job to save his client by finding some way to enrage my friend on the witness stand. And Justice expects you to answer that question. And he did, but in a way which was honest to his feelings but not helpful to himself.

The real strength is turning the question around again into the one you want to answer. I'm lucky in that the harder things become, the harder I become. Probably because I've never been sexually abused that badly, rather than because I'm stronger. But I get up on the witness stand, and the lawyer tries it with me. I'm cold, in control, and simply state "No, I'm going to University in a few months, my friend who was attacked is expecting a child. That's simply not who we are." He tries again and again, and I simply don't give a shit about what he's trying to do, I make sure to always answer in my own voice. Had I not answered, that would have been spun as shifty too. So I did.

I've felt guilt of course about the night itself ever since, obviously you wonder if you could or should have tried to get the blade off the guy nearest you. But on the witness stand was no place for that guilt. It sounds inhumane but... real trolls will always use your humanity against you.  So, I simply put it to one side for a while. Ask as many question as you like, but you'll always get my answers. And right now, I have no feelings at all about what you think you're doing with them. You can't have those feelings, you can't let outside influences in because then you'll become afraid to try and answer. But you must always, always fight to put your own answers out there. And after, when our attackers were sent down, my friends whole family said I was a hero for turning the case around. I didn't do it for that reason either; I wasn't filled with emotion and justice on the stand either. I was just determined to defend the actual truth.

THAT's what I mean about the lessons of hard times. What ever you've survived, you've done so because part of you was hard enough. Real trolls are trying to make you feel you're weak; that if they bluster enough, you'll back down. That's what Trump is, and that's what Jammaplaya, in his own mindless copying of the same behaviour was attempting to do. 

But what I was actually doing was encouraging him to give me enough evidence to go to the highest Reddit Admins, provide them with a huge list of personal harassment and insane behaviour over a short time, and get them to apply the strongest solution they could to removing him. If that means feeding him short term, so be it; because someone who belches back what you've clearly just fed him is so, SO much easier to show to someone else and say "hey look, it's obvious what he's doing."  Hence I was overjoyed at the appearance of "Commander_toodler".  That was actually what I wanted him to do; now I'm not just speaking in general, it's directly addressed to me; mods tend to be cautious about third party reports for some reason. And I'm too hard to be bothered that he's doing it, I don't even use the word "toodles", and now he's too banned to do it to anyone else again, the idiot.

And already some of the former posters who disliked me are talking more maturely and respectfully about end of life experiences on Reddit. Because it's the Jury I'm appealing too. Not the self appointed lawyer. And ... I win again.

No doubt. No fear. No worries about "feeding them". Aim to win.  Which is a bit Trump-esque too of course. But you have to be, in this world. The real challenge is to remember to pick your humanity back up again and stop fighting when it's no longer necessary.

I don't think you're getting it about Trump, because you don't quite see the inherent hypocrisy in some of his supposed opponents; there's always been a fraction of people on the left who are longing for someone like him because they want the world to be ruled by an obvious boorish troglodyte. Who would cheer the arrival of people dressing up as Nazis because then they get to smugly say "I was right!" and sit and write endless articles decrying them, all whilst still decrying genuine protests and movements for change like Occupy that require actual sacrifice, and reveal how little the mainstream actually does or really believes there's a vital need to act. Trump, whose dictatorial nature so far is abusing people on Twitter is the perfect candidate for the slacktivist age; when he starts to actually round up critics into cattle cars then he'll genuinely be a threat, but both the media left and the media right deep down think he won't get that far, and so there's a unified belief he's what they were all hoping for... someone to blow up the old system with whoopie cushions not dynamite.

The problem is, there's a genuine rage behind him that won't go quietly post-Trump. The economy still isn't working for those who voted for him. We butted heads on the question of White Males, and those people are still out there, and if Trump doesn't help them feel re-integrated into society, they'll be even angrier by the time of the next elections. Like wise those on the Left who will get abandoned for symbolic protests against a slimey President; all the Twittering back at him in the world isn't going to help at the hard end of political fights, the local, county, regional, Senate etc issues which the Republicans took a clean sweep of... and now they hold all the power, the media will start to normalise it again. That's the basis of the article I linked too; they'll turn on each other as long as they think they're still allowed inside to ask questions; Access, not progress is their real addiction. But the vast majority of people don't have that access, no one deep down cares about Twitter, and they are falling further and further behind in real terms every day.

So if Trump doesn't smash things enough, they'll vote for someone who REALLY means it next time. They don't ignore Trump, because he's the very person they've chosen to send that message. It's the fact people are toying with him, but not listening to the real message that's the real danger. They're ignoring him too much, not too little.



As for Jamma; this thread existed originally just to grab a few suggestions to get him to dance to our tunes himself on Reddit, but he was shut down so fast it became irrelevant. I don't mention him at all there now because it's over, we won. The guy is gone. Now this thread is mostly about debating with you the meaning of "feeding"...

And also, it's personally amusing to just know that if he does ever see this thread, there's evidence out there of how easy he is to manipulate. Doesn't matter what he thinks; he can't influence or take this thread down, everyone can see it... Toodles Mr Jamma, so very, very many Toodles   Eat your liver, you bastard. Whilst for the rest of us on Reddit, life goes on still. However if he fancies getting so angry again he wants to quote me over at the official forums again, and thus allow me to show how biased the moderation is a second time, I'll take that free punch at the ridiculous immoral behaviour they indulge in again too. Never get in the way of encouraging your opponent to make a mistake, as Sun Tsu would have said. Of course, they don't have to BE opponents, but meh they continue to ban critics from their forums, and allow people to brag about harassment so... if they're gonna ask for rope to further hang themselves with, well I'm happy to leave the odd All Night Rope Concession lying around for them. Why, we've even got the quote from WTFDragon still about posting here being a "contributory factor" to banning you at the official forums still in the back pocket. Let's see if an angry Jamma quoting from here has the same effect, shall we?

Or you know, they could all try doing the decent thing instead. And stop treating Shroud like a cult that has to purge the heretics, start listening to criticism instead of playing word games about why not saying the game is Early Access in your trial run advertising is somehow a good thing. And then this thread really would be totally pointless. No need to leave weapons lying around when you no longer feel you have to fight against something, eh?  But as I say... it's the Slacktivist age. And Garriott was a huge Clinton booster in real life; the so called liberals these days seem to think that just spinning the votes enough matters more than getting them, matters more than working hard to earn them. Shroud is machine-politics to the core. Why change the product, when you can just elect a new set of kickstarters, eh?

So they won't.