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Post by kb on Nov 12, 2016 15:22:42 GMT
Original post by Kambrius on the official forum, meant to be humorous and lighthearted: www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-fire-chris-thread.70915/Note: I think this is a fair opportunity to list ONE reason Chris Spears should be fired (we could all probably list several, but I will stick to one so others can post reasons as well). So to start it off: "Fucking combat, how does it work?"
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Post by dodgy on Nov 12, 2016 20:53:55 GMT
Coz he's a pr nightmare
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Post by dodgy on Nov 12, 2016 20:56:07 GMT
Wow that thread is really disturbing.
More cult like behavior
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Post by nemolives on Nov 13, 2016 0:17:05 GMT
Because he's responsible for the Economy of the game, and it's this in particular which has basically killed the game off. It doesn't work, months and 4 releases after it was predicted to be complete. Because the Add on Store focus prevents most potential new players wanting to take part. Because it puts Real Money Trading before gameplay. Because he devalues prior pledges to try and make new ones more attractive, thus angering and alienating even old backers. Because the whole game is an economic disaster and if you don't pass the blame on to the actual person(s) responsible, none of you will ever work in the industry again... Tell the bloody truth for goodness sake!
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Post by kb on Nov 14, 2016 6:19:39 GMT
Yeah, Dodgy and Nemo named the other big reasons that I was thinking of (e.g., his ridiculous thin-skinned policing of the Steam reviews + his hand in making the economy nothing more than a funnel to push players toward buying COTAs or RMT from "official partners of Portalarium).
The only other thing I'd add is that he should be fired because, in one of the Markee Dragon videos I posted awhile back, RG and Chris Spears talk a bit and Chris (or RG?) says RG was the single player guy, Chris is the guy representing the UO players.
First, as many like Darkmoon point out, the SP side of things has really suffered because of the emphasis on multiplayer and how the design of the game is geared toward the multiplayer experience.
Secondly, so much of the charm and unbridled freedom that made UO amazing is utterly missing from SotA. I'm not just talking about meaningful pvp either. The crafting, harvesting, use of instances (many which feel small and empty)... all point to SotA being as wide as an ocean but as deep as a puddle with regard to its multiplayer content.
If he purports to be the community's advocate for the "UO" type features, he has failed miserably.
Anyway, I don't think there is a lot more to add. I just found the original thread on the official forums kind of gross in how sycophantic it is and thought a nice rebuttal to the obsequiousness would be to mention some of the reasons he has been an overall detriment to this project.
Thanks Dodgy and Nemo for chiming in. This topic didn't have a lot of ground to cover, but felt like posting it since I had some time this weekend to goof off a bit online.
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Post by Caliya on Nov 14, 2016 13:29:05 GMT
OH!! But...but....he's a successful white business man! That makes him qualified for everything!
<snickers>
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Post by walsh on Nov 14, 2016 14:34:43 GMT
Bloody champions I just mentioned chris in my last post and behold this thread appears.
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Post by kb on Nov 15, 2016 18:59:53 GMT
OH!! But...but....he's a successful white business man! That makes him qualified for everything! <snickers> I think there's a lot to be said for a leader who understands how to play by the rules, for a change.
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Post by Mordecai on Nov 16, 2016 14:05:05 GMT
Ahh the Ferengi. Caliya must detest the misogynistic little lobe-strokers.
Rule 49 & 94: Females and finances don't mix. Rule 139: Wives Serve, brothers inherit. Rule 255: A wife is a luxury ... a smart accountant is a necessity.
For all of the merits of Roddenbury's vision of the future, it didn't bode well for gender equality.
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Post by kb on Nov 16, 2016 14:39:06 GMT
Ahh the Ferengi. Caliya must detest the misogynistic little lobe-strokers. Rule 49 & 94: Females and finances don't mix. Rule 139: Wives Serve, brothers inherit. Rule 255: A wife is a luxury ... a smart accountant is a necessity. For all of the merits of Roddenbury's vision of the future, it didn't bode well for gender equality. I have a feeling Caliya would find the Ferengi very "fun" to deal with, Major Kira-style... P.S. As for gender equality, don't forget, Quark's mom was the secret financial adviser to the Grand Nagus (was very good at it too), was allowed to *gasp* wear clothes and leave the planet, and following The Nagus' reforms and Rom's appointment as Nagus, the gender inequality of Ferengi society very likely changed for the better (unless you are some kind of traditionalist who felt those changes would lead to the downfall of Ferengi civilization)
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Post by kb on Nov 16, 2016 15:57:30 GMT
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Post by Caliya on Nov 16, 2016 19:15:00 GMT
Ahh the Ferengi. Caliya must detest the misogynistic little lobe-strokers. Ferengi = today's equivalent of southern US hillbillies
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Post by kb on Nov 16, 2016 22:18:06 GMT
Ferengi = today's equivalent of southern US hillbillies I know somebody who would beg to differ:
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Post by rune74 on Nov 16, 2016 22:30:41 GMT
So....where does he think those COTO's come from? The random drops or did someone pay real money for them....so if you don't like it costs money buy it from some dope that is happy to spend real money? So messed up.
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Post by Caliya on Nov 17, 2016 14:38:08 GMT
Ferengi = today's equivalent of southern US hillbillies I know somebody who would beg to differ: Yes, but did I really need to say, today's closest equivalent of southern US hillbillies? Of course, we know that today's hillbillies were yesterday's plantation owners who never got over losing the war.
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Post by kb on Nov 17, 2016 17:57:11 GMT
I know somebody who would beg to differ: Yes, but did I really need to say, today's closest equivalent of southern US hillbillies? Of course, we know that today's hillbillies were yesterday's plantation owners who never got over losing the war. Wow, no fun. So srs, 24/7. I'm just trying to inject some levity and randomness, but time and time again, you take things so literally. I don't even.... So, okay, today's hillbillies were yesterday's plantation owners. Great. I guess that makes today's SJW urbanites yesterday's hypocritical Northern merchants/slave traders. If you want to be serious and decry the evils of slavery and the exploitation of people, take a look at the tags on your clothing and 90% of the durable products that you use on a daily basis. Take a gander at the "Made In" information on the electronics you are using right now, the chair you're sitting on, the spatula you use to cook your food, etc. All were likely produced in sweatshops by workers working in abject misery. All were likely the byproducts of modern wage slave labor. All likely taint you and yours more than you might care to admit. How much better are any of us when compared to the people of the past, considering we condemn them at the very same time we benefit from the fruits of a modern day plantation system (the only difference is that globalism lets us outsource the misery to third world shitholes so we aren't confronted face to face with our own hypocrisy)? "Let (s)he who is without sin cast the first stone." It's easy to point fingers at those in the past (and assign their blame to people in the modern world), but never forget, as you point at them you have three fingers pointing right back at you and you're probably just as guilty of their transgressions as the Southern hillbillies you condemn. "Hail the past, hail the present, who stinketh the most?" IDK what to even say anymore. I'm so sick of politics, and how we all take ourselves so damn serious, totally devoid of the ability to laugh or find humor in how fucking stupid we all are. You want to change shit, you want things to get better? Start with the (wo) man in the mirror. That's the only person you can ever change. Real change starts with the individual, not condemning groups of people we don't like. Finger-pointing is just wasted energy (and a cop out to avoid addressing painful truths about our own failings and personal hypocrisies). ^this applies to the "right", as well. Human beings and political movements are rife with hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. It's why I hate elections and politics. Just gives people a convenient way to pass the blame and anger they feel about the world onto others, despite the blame that we ALL share. Finally, I guarantee all our progress is just a thin veneer. What we call "civilized society" and "progress" is just a few major hardships away from descending into barbarism. Take away our creature comforts... and the most altruistic, self-righteous, enlightened individual will prove just as savage and disgusting as the most bloodthirsty tyrants of the past ever were. It is delusional to believe we are any better than those we condemn, despite false perceptions that lead us to believe that we're different from them. "We are not special. We are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. We are the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world. We are all part of the same compost heap."
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Post by Caliya on Nov 17, 2016 18:21:45 GMT
lol talk about taking something seriously kb....
I can be honest and say what I think, even if it's repulsive. Remember that's how this last election swung. I mean, if we can't ever generalize an area of the country or world, you're being kind of thin-skinned.
As far as my sweatshop labor and goods - I used to live in debt and buy all kinds of things I didn't really need. I now buy locally as much as possible, or fair trade when local items aren't made. We live minimally with intention. I'm not buying the latest iPhone every year, or at all for that matter.
You seem to admire the Ferengi, and if not, I don't understand the defensiveness. I started out with a joke about them.
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Post by kb on Nov 17, 2016 19:14:07 GMT
lol talk about taking something seriously kb.... I can be honest and say what I think, even if it's repulsive. Remember that's how this last election swung. I mean, if we can't ever generalize an area of the country or world, you're being kind of thin-skinned. As far as my sweatshop labor and goods - I used to live in debt and buy all kinds of things I didn't really need. I now buy locally as much as possible, or fair trade when local items aren't made. We live minimally with intention. I'm not buying the latest iPhone every year, or at all for that matter. You seem to admire the Ferengi, and if not, I don't understand the defensiveness. I started out with a joke about them. I don't admire the Ferengi. I think they are funny, and a very clever poke at human quirks and greed by Trek writers, but I don't admire them any more than I admire the Jem H'darr or the Klingons. I find them interesting, entertaining, and enjoyable to watch. But I don't admire anybody or anything much anymore. Many of the clips I've interjected in this thread and "USA" thread were meant to be ambiguous prods to both sides. Depending on how you look at it, I could be making fun of you, or of Nemo and Dodgy, or neither side (or both!). That's the only reason I was posting stuff (well, that and I had DS9 on the mind after Myrcello's post, who apparently still refuses to talk to me). It might interest you to know that many hardcore Trek fans dislike the species and decry them as a thinly-veiled jab at people of a certain faith (word filter here prevents me from saying it, but just think: Israel). So, while you took them one way, other groups see them very differently. It's all up to interpretation, hence the reason I decided to keep posting clips of them (because it points out how much gray there really is in the world, despite the preference of some to characterize things in a very "black" and "white," "good" and "evil," "right" and "wrong" dualism). That said, I find it distasteful when self-proclaimed progressives (who condemn intolerance) take Trump's victory as an excuse to do the very thing they condemn (i.e., be intolerant -- like vilifying whole groups of people and regions of the country with blanket statements about their intents and motivations). As for sweatshop goods, kudos for making changes in your consumption patterns, but I think you fail to understand what I was really saying. We are all tainted, we are all guilty of the things we condemn others for... For example, where does your income come from? Where does your husband's income come from? While you both might work hard to buy responsibly, many of the very euros you possess were generated by ill-gotten means and are just as suspect as the pounds that clinked-clinked into the purses of the New England slave traders who saw little hypocrisy in transporting slaves and selling them on the auction block, only to condemn their southern brethren for the very institution that made the Northern traders wealthy (the very same Southern colonies who were instrumental in fighting the British and helping the country gain its independence). I mean this in a more abstract sense. But, seriously, consider where the grants and salary comes from for public employees. Taxes taken from corporate revenue and salaries generated doing harm to the world and the people in it. Bonds and policy initiatives bankrolled by corruption and greed. Money that comes, indirectly, from a whole social, economic, and political system built on the subjugation and exploitation of millions of people. It is all shit. All of it. We cannot escape it, so it's really shit when we condemn others for something we are also contributing to on a daily basis. I'm just trying to point out, with the inclusion of these clips, that I think ALL of you take this shit way too seriously and fail to admit how hypocritical you really are. Myself included. Which is why I almost deleted my previous post, because I can see the irony of calling you (and dodgy and nemo) out for being so serious, while being super-frumpy myself. I don't know how to end this, except to point out that both sides are purposeful avoiding the painful truth that the very thing they hate about the other side is the thing that they secretly dislike about themselves. I never missed it when Bernie would condemn the Right for attacking groups of people and blaming them for all the ills of our world, then two seconds later, say we have to go after the rich who have made our country such a shit hole. Or when Trump would play to people's anger toward illegal immigrants and all the ills they bring to society, ignoring the corrupt business leaders who want said immigrants here for the cheap labor they bring to the labor pool. Just as there are some illegal immigrants who rape and murder (and a vast majority who don't), there are rich flowers who make the world a worse place (and a vast majority who provide good paying jobs and run decent businesses). There is no easy solution to this and both sides are more wrong than right, in my book. It's the shrill, over-bearing "you suck and you're wrong so fuck you" kind of rhetoric coming from both sides that turns my stomach. And now here I am, engaging in the very thing I dislike about others. You will see, however, that multiple posts of mine were just lighthearted clips that poked fun at both side. It wasn't until you saw fit to keep likening Ferengi to "southern hillbillies" that I took exception (itself a derogatory term used by rich white elites to speak ill of poor unsophisticated whites who lived in the hills). You can't portray yourself as a champion of tolerance and inclusion and then engage in the very intolerance and hyperbolic generalities that you condemn others for. Both sides suck, truly. The right for acting like they are beyond corruption (when they are just as dirty as the rest of them), the left for acting like there's no embedded contradiction in being intolerant towards those who don't conform to their vision of what tolerance means. Anyway, this is going nowhere and, as always, I'm sorry for even interjecting anything into a political "discussion" because it's quite clear nobody wants to change anything. All sides just enjoy wagging their fingers at each other, and showing the world how great they are, and will never stop berating each other long enough to see that they are just as bad as the very thing they condemn. P.S. The day you start to apply your moral crusade and indignation to yourself and your own side is the day I stop taking exception to when you do it to your enemy. I can't even begin to express how insane it is to see the left go on and on about how terrible Trump is, while totally failing to admit that HRC was utterly criminal and incompetent herself. Same with condemning him for being misogynistic and the pussy-grabbing comments, but ignoring how Hillary treated the victims of Bill's sexual abuse. Or condemning him for being a rich businessman who is just going to help out the rich, totally ignoring that Bill Clinton did heaps to create the wealth inequality that now exists (repeal of Glass-Steagall, Greenspan's low interest rates leading to the dotcom bubble, then housing bubble). Calling him a racist, but ignoring the Clinton crime bill in the 90's and Hillary's comments about black teens being "super-predators" who need to be locked up. And the same can be said for the other side (Trump saying drain the swamp, HRC is a criminal, etc. -- but I guarantee his administration will be as ripe with scandals as any other administration has been). Both candidates sucked and suck. Period. Both sides suck and sucked, period. The only thing that matters is controlling our own behavior, our own choices. The rest is just hot air meant to deflect attention from the fact that we are as imperfect as the assholes on the other side that we love to hate.
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Post by kb on Nov 17, 2016 19:36:11 GMT
The world is like a ride. You think it's real? It's just a ride....
It doesn't punish It doesn't reward It doesn't judge at all It just is, and so are we For a little while....
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Post by Caliya on Nov 17, 2016 20:16:19 GMT
First, it's hilarious how you choose to lecture, as if you know something special. Aren't you special? =D
Second, I don't make an income. I barter with other Americans, Europeans and other people in the world. When I work out of my own home, to avoid commuting expenses, it's local people that pay me.
Third, all my husband's salary comes exclusively from taxpayers, indirectly, through the government. Not some sweat shop wages. =D He is a scientist.
The only person on a moral crusade is yourself. You might wanna look in the mirror there, buddy.
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Post by Caliya on Nov 17, 2016 21:38:03 GMT
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Post by Caliya on Nov 17, 2016 21:44:39 GMT
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Post by kb on Nov 17, 2016 22:00:04 GMT
First, it's hilarious how you choose to lecture, as if you know something special. Aren't you special? =D Second, I don't make an income. I barter with other Americans, Europeans and other people in the world. When I work out of my own home, to avoid commuting expenses, it's local people that pay me. Third, all my husband's salary comes exclusively from taxpayers, indirectly, through the government. Not some sweat shop wages. =D He is a scientist. The only person on a moral crusade is yourself. You might wanna look in the mirror there, buddy. Where do you think the money comes from that local people bring you? Or the goods they trade you, how did they buy it? With money tainted by the very system that taints us all. And I know your husband is a scientist, you've pointed it out numerous times in the past. I think I even said as much. But, taxpayers generate their income by working at various entities that are tied to the very same corrupt system. The taxes that pay the salaries of people like your husband are generated by often times nefarious activities undertaken by the evil corporations that you love to demonize. I guess those corporations aren't so bad when they are indirectly bankrolling his research and his livelihood? Also, it's likely that his research (or the work of the university/team he is affiliated with) is likely being used somehow (or will be used) by corporations and governments that will continue to advance the status quo until the end of time. You cannot escape your culpability, just as I can't. We are all linked to the things we despise so completely it is nearly impossible for us to severe the ties to the monster's umbilical cord. Finally, I said point blank in the last point that I understood the irony of me lecturing anybody, considering my whole point is that none of us are innocent of the crimes we condemn others for. But, good for you for calling me out on doing it, despite the fact that I admitted the fault even as I committed it. Sorry that you failed to read it or understand it as such (or just choose to ignore it because it gives you a convenient way to attack me and feel righteous about yourself). I'm on no moral crusade. Just tired of reading people endlessly denigrating each other because they somehow feel their corrupt cause is better than the other guy's corrupt cause. They're both corrupt causes and we're all flawed. Nobody should think they are above the fray. Because we're not. NONE OF US. Anyway, this is going nowhere. Enjoy your life and looking down your nose at the rest of us. However, I still contend you're not as pure or infallible as you seem to think you are. Just believing you aren't tainted and that you are above the unwashed redneck masses doesn't make it so.
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Post by kb on Nov 17, 2016 22:05:39 GMT
P.S. And the use of the word "buddy," again, showcasing the contempt and condescension you have for others.
Not once in what I said to you did I refer to you like that. I was speaking to you honestly and directly, not dismissively like you speak to me.
Yes, I disagreed with what you were doing and saying, but I didn't go low like that.
You are a hypocrite in how you deal with people, demanding that we treat you with respect, but then you act like you're convinced that your shit doesn't stink like the rest of ours does.
Whatever. I have to go get ready for work. Ain't nobody got time for this.
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Post by nemolives on Nov 17, 2016 23:17:58 GMT
Or to put it another way; We've already paid plenty to support the game, but YOU wasted so much money and killed any forward momentum it all went down the drain, you cash obsessed incompetent fuckwit. So why should people want to give you any MORE money?
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Post by Caliya on Nov 18, 2016 18:00:09 GMT
kb - I hit some real sore spots, eh?
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Post by Mordecai on Dec 18, 2016 20:49:12 GMT
Listen buddies, Ferengi are just a caricature of human greed, much like how the Klingons are aggression, Romulans conceit, and Vulcans logic. Many of Gene's original aliens were pretty shallow.
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