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Post by thedanger on Aug 15, 2016 0:56:40 GMT
I thought long and hard about posting this because it may or may not stir up a lot of crap. I belong to a group of people who have a shared interest in having Shroud of the Avatar succeed. You know most of us by our forum monikers. We have had a little to do with every one of you here. We employ a variety of communication methods in order to cooperate and coordinate our efforts for that goal. We report threads. PM moderators & devs. Take turns trolling users, we assign members to deal with certain users in the forum. Recently I’ve come to see that we are as big of a problem as we saw you to be. I am not even sure I understand why I have had a change in mind. Maybe because the game is dead. Maybe because I suddenly grew a heart after having one of the more recent dissenters chased out of the forum. I don’t know. I don’t want to tell you more about me or the people involved, this is a very serious issue and I just wanted to make an impersonal apology here.
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Post by myrcello on Aug 15, 2016 6:01:34 GMT
Is is very simple: Darkstarr, Chris , Richard bake a Chokolade Cake. Unfortunatly one ingreedient they used tastes like shit but they did not notice.
New Customers visit and try the cake and say:
Something is wrong. Part of the cake taste like shit.
Now your team of "Protectors" comes in and uses your technic to "chase" that new customer away". You say: All is great. He is bad. Does not understand it.
Developers believe it and do not notice that the cake truly tastes like shit.
New customer lost, shitty cake, more bad comments of potential new customers follow.
In fact : You Harm the Game.
And the ones who you chased away talking "truth about shit" tried to "Help" make the game better.
So who should be removed?
Lucky for us that other Gamesites will not be impacted snd there you see the real picture of the game how it is received.
This site SU has or had gamers want or wanted SotA to succeed also.
Of course it is more comftable for a Developer to enjoy appraising feedback. And you need a selfbelieve in what you are doing and trust in yourself. Thats why you create it and are hired. You got that extra talent. But if you are so selfsecure that it is close to arrogant that you think all the ones giving feedback apposing to your idea just do not get it - then ask yourself why you did create a open development in first place. Not all at Port are that way.
There had been moments we even did feel Richard was not taken serious also The person we backed mainly.
If he wants use based combat all should shut up and do it in the first place and not after half development. If he wants cannibals then do it.
You sale him as the face, you used him as the person to motivate to back him. Then follow his vision.
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Post by myrcello on Aug 15, 2016 6:14:03 GMT
But "100%" all will say this thread was created by one of us. And not believe that this is truly happening.
The sad thing about it is that you need to "softalk" negative feedback on the "Sotaforum" to get your message out.
There had been invitations of Community Members to join a Hangout to discuss for example the "Combat System" but saying at the invitation: Critical talk against the Developers or against the Game Design is not welcome".
I never joined that hangouts. Told them that a constructive Hang Out can't result if you from the start forbid critical wordings.
So they would never ever question the base idea of the combat system in the Hangout. But ony talk about adjustment of it. So always accept and only discuss atunements if it
If you would have joined saying : This hole idea is shit you would have been thrown out.
And the most sad part is: Those Google Hang Outs of Community Members did get praised by the Developers. As a true source of constructive feedback
A Hang Out with censored opinions from the start.
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Post by dodgy on Aug 15, 2016 9:52:47 GMT
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Post by nemolives on Aug 15, 2016 14:11:21 GMT
I don't believe this claim at all. Yes there's individuals voting up and down the reviews on both sides, and I'm sure friends and fans and critics alike get together every now and then and talk about what is going on in Shroud, and then act based upon their perceptions... just like they do when one person says "I could kill for a pizza right now" and then it slowly turns into everyone ordering pizza and spending the evening stuffing their faces with it. And indeed, there's people sock-puppeting all over the place at Shroud to make it look like a delicious pizza party when it's merely an evening alone with a cold chicken sandwich. But an organised conspiracy to drive people out of the forums? I doubt it.
There are certainly a few absolutely unhinged individuals involved. Who ever doxxed IM and his family, and GolemDragon and a number of other defenders of Shroud too is clearly mentally imbalanced. SotAGuy harassed me on Steam for weeks; And Hermetic on Steam is far, far too personally engaged with Shroud for his own good, or basic honesty and truth. And you've got posters like Drocis and Envy on the forums who try and engage in subtle forum PvP... but it's not a conspiracy. It's just the way real life works.
Unless you have actual proof? I doubt it, but claiming a change of heart is easy. If you see evil, why aren't you fighting it? Shroud Unlimited is all about speaking truth to power. So off you go...
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Post by titsup on Aug 15, 2016 14:33:49 GMT
I thought long and hard about posting this because it may or may not stir up a lot of crap. I belong to a group of people who have a shared interest in having Shroud of the Avatar succeed. You know most of us by our forum monikers. We have had a little to do with every one of you here. We employ a variety of communication methods in order to cooperate and coordinate our efforts for that goal. We report threads. PM moderators & devs. Take turns trolling users, we assign members to deal with certain users in the forum. Recently I’ve come to see that we are as big of a problem as we saw you to be. I am not even sure I understand why I have had a change in mind. Maybe because the game is dead. Maybe because I suddenly grew a heart after having one of the more recent dissenters chased out of the forum. I don’t know. I don’t want to tell you more about me or the people involved, this is a very serious issue and I just wanted to make an impersonal apology here. Well thanks I guess if this is true. I think many people here suspected this might be the case anyway. I doubt I've ever been a target of it but it sucks for those affected. At least it appears you've had a change of heart and there may be one less person doing it. I also don't believe it will stir up a lot of crap, at least not here. Most people here give very little shit anymore. At least you came and admitted/apologized for it. For the record, I've never done the opposite of this. That is intentionally try to do ill towards supporters of the game. I've never down voted positive reviews. I've never tried to tear down the game. I talk about what I don't like about it, the funding model, the community, etc. I've never wanted anything but a great game. I didn't even have any preconceived notions of what that would be. I only mention that because I think the users here are often painted as bad apples who were fighting to get their own way and hijack development justifying the actions OP describes. It sucks if people felt it necessary to actively drive us from participating.
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Post by myrcello on Aug 15, 2016 19:12:06 GMT
Same for me.
I do not wan't anyone to fail.
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Post by titsup on Aug 15, 2016 21:23:57 GMT
I don’t want to tell you more about me or the people involved, this is a very serious issue and I just wanted to make an impersonal apology here. I do want to add that I respect your right to remain anonymous and won't press you for more information as to identities and whatnot. Something struck me when you said this is a serious issue. If all this is true though, and you are aware of the culprits of the doxxing that happened, i would urge you to bring that to Portalarium's attention. Not for the benefit of anyone here, but for the benefit of possible future targets of this sort of activity. Not accusing you of the doxxing or knowing who did it, but on the off chance you might be aware of the responsible parties, I believe the right thing to do would be to alert Portalarium. Again, assuming all of this is true.
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Post by kb on Aug 16, 2016 0:49:14 GMT
^if real, here we have the case of a bunch of grown ass adults working hard to be the mean kids in Jr. High who shun all who don't conform to their sense of what is cool. They lack the spine to own up to being wrong (if not hidden behind anonymity) and they only express regret when they realize the harm they've done to others also inadvertently came back on them. (Sociopath much, pod people???) What a great "community"... the type of community that deserves a dead game and the endless scorn that's been heaped upon the game and its community recently. We tried to tell you repeatedly that your elitist/arrogant conduct was more detrimental to the game than anything any one of us could do. You laughed in our face and smiled smugly as we were banned. Hope it was worth it. It takes some real sick individuals to spend money just to get their rocks off from circling up wagons and excluding well-meaning people from their "in" crowd. It's like you all joined some "white only" country club where rich idiots get off over how much better they are than the pleb working stiffs who can't afford the membership ("Dev+" -- gotta keep out the riffraff and all!). And just think on that for a minute. They used the influence they had not to make the game better, but to fuck with people. These "pod" people paid thousands of dollars to form some elitist circle jerk where they could act like "mean girls" and treat decent people like trash. The "game" to them was some pathetic "forum pee vee pee" bullshit where they chased away the very same people who paid their hard-earned money to do little more than play a fun game designed and created by RG (and maybe have some small or large part influencing something about the game and how it turned out). But now, we both can agree: Game over, man. Game over!(To this day, I still think there is a diamond somewhere in the rough that is the disjointed mess that is SotA, but I'd never spend the time looking for it. There is just too much baggage for me when it comes to this game. Most of it centered around the "community." But I'm either "disgruntled" and deserving of lifetime ban per Chris, or one of those who just "lost interest" during the development cycle, as is natural and normal, per Starr Long) The best part is, those of us who were shown the door have had all this time to do other things and enjoy our lives while the elitist circle jerk has wasted the last 4 years trolling well-meaning people. Guess the losers who were banned are later to win.... (Too bad I've spent thousands of hours in CKII instead of "testing" SotA, so I haven't really achieved much anyway, unless you count it an achievement to not play SotA as long as some of the diehards like BDF or SotaGuy -- aka: Nemo's Steam nemesis... aka: SmokerKGB on the offical forums, at least he/she was, i.e. same writing style, says the same things, etc.) Anyway, the only shit OP stirred up for me is that I missed out on some house cleaning and kingdom building.
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Post by kb on Aug 16, 2016 1:16:36 GMT
P.S. I gotta say it, because it doesn't get said enough, but Portalarium elicited and encouraged this kind of behavior. myrcello You are 100% correct about how the hangouts started with censorship are part of the problem, how a community hurts the game when it always tells its devs "everything is great" when the cake tastes bad. But... Portalarium created an environment where operating like that was expected of people. Where criticism was not welcome. With how arbitrary and unfair some of the early forum moderation was, with the funding model itself, Portalarium created an atmosphere rife with elitism and self-censorship. RG himself, being gaming legend and eccentric fellow (alter ego Lord British, the first virtual "king" to many gamers/SotA and Ultima fans)... the kingly personage, the whole notion of feudalism, pledging fealty, etc. <--- all of this stuff and more creates a very sycophantic, servile, toadyistic environment where people feel compelled to self-censor. Where people feel like they must apologize for being critical, walk on eggshells, grovel before the feet of the wizards and King (i.e., dev team). IDK where I"m going with this, but I'm just trying to say, whatever blame "pod" people or IM or me or anybody has in any of this, a big part of it rests on Port's shoulders. We should always remember. Don't ever let the story become about just the community, or the funding model, or the moderation. All roads lead to Port. And something's been rotten in the state of Portalarium from the very start. It doesn't mean that they're all bad people, or the game is doomed, or it was all for naught. But there have been fundamental flaws in this project from day 1. Most of it stems from the funding model, but all of that (and so much more of this stuff) leads right back to the culture of the studio where all of these decisions, shortcomings (and successes) have been generated. I really think Caliya has nailed something on past occasions, pointing out how RG is a rich white guy living a sequestered (albeit eccentric) lifestyle, as are many of Port's upper echelon. They were just out of touch and had warped perceptions of the broader society and how people operate (and I think Starr doesn't understand the marketplace and Kickstarter/crowd-funding as well as he thinks he does). The funding model is something very yuppie culture, very McMansion-dwelling suburbanite. It's one of the reasons I both understood (and was a bit horrified) by the involvement of @blakeblackstone (his website and vision were admirable, but the way the game was so geared toward real estate marketing/etc. struck me as aesthetically wrong). Sure, property and rares becoming valuable UO was a remarkable thing, but that doesn't necessarily mean a game centered around such is going to be "fun" for 99% of the people out there. Only your "Ultimate Collector"/Second Life type crowd is really going to tap into SotA as it stands now. The only thing the game even remotely does right is that aspect of it (which is so sad, because it is the most cynically-oriented/money-grubbing aspect of the game). ^Anyway, back on topic, sort of... but just want to say, this very culture of thinking "Medieval/Renaissance real estate mogul simulator 2016" was a fun and monetizable model for something billed as the "Ultimate RPG" is what led to the faction in the game who are all about their "investment." The fact that Port is old-fashioned and were still trying to control the message on their forum (despite things like reddit and alternative forums existing), and they were being vague and deceptive in a lot of their words/actions (DLMB), it all put an indirect pressure on people to censor themselves and harass and censor the upstarts and boat-rockers in the community who saw fit to cry fire as the building was burning down around us. If you wanted access, if you wanted the devs to recognize you or whatever, you played nice. The NBNN people, the bards, the fiction writers, enderandrew... all of these people probably know that if they were to blow up, or speak out, or be harshly critical of the game (without wringing their hands and begging for forgiveness for the sheer temerity of what they were about to say), they would be toast. ^and once you accept this way of doing things, it is easy to see how elitist groups would likely start to project their own self-imposed censorship out onto others. It is well documented that "trolls" would get banned for profanity/etc, but certain SotA sycophants could call people all types of profane things and only get slaps on the wrist. Worse still, many of these toxic individuals have been rewarded and their ties to the devs is well established (Ezekiel of BMC as one example) <--Therefore, Port's own actions have communicated time and time again that attacking the non-believers was not only permissable, it was desirable. So, in spite of all the rambling above, what I'm trying to say is that while it is true that the moderation has often been terrible, and the community itself is cultish and gives a creepy "mean girls" vibe, the real culprits to blame are not the Envy's or Ezekiel's of the world (though they are right said bastards and deserve some of the blame). No, the people who fostered this kind of behavior and created an environment where it would breed naturally and prolifically = PORTALARIUM^^^ Remember, remember...
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Post by rune74 on Aug 16, 2016 2:07:35 GMT
I won't lie, this is disturbing.
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Post by fossil on Aug 17, 2016 15:50:09 GMT
Pretty Fucked Up!
The irony is most people here didn't and still don't want the game to fail.
It's just odd that the individuals that had questions and issues to make for a better game get tossed out the door.
3 months until launch how are the SP folks going to be feeling about this game? They have yet to nail down the online part.
Maybe 2 more years of development but your looking at 2019. This game won't have the funding until then. Unless the people that have forked over continue todo so. At this point if your going to gamble and spend large might as well do it in Star Citizen at least there thinking new and large.
What's new and innovative in Sota? That's what you really need to ask.
If nothing what mechanics have they improved upon earlier iterations? If they haven't really outdone something that's been previously done, why would you play this game?
To me depending on what aspect you enjoy doing, I believe it's been done before and better. At a cheaper cost to play.
Like housing decorating? Go play EQ2.
Like action combat? DDO or BDO.
Like storyline? LOTRO or tbh FF14 (was very impressed with it)
Crafting or Gathering? FF14, EQ2, Vanguard (RIP). Maybe even ARK!
Builder? Ark, Minecraft, Terraria, EVE?
There's IMO just better options for what someone would desire. Like I said and most games don't throw you the store bone constantly.
People for the most part, as I know some that are like "we'll if it's free, they don't want my money" people will put money into games they enjoy. The other thing is they psychologically play mind games with people. By using expiring dates to spend more money before they are ready todo so.
To me it's not so much the game as the community and the individuals running the show. They had no PLAN and it shows.
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Post by grimgryphon on Aug 17, 2016 19:22:56 GMT
Once I discovered Albion Online I really stopped caring about SotA but it's always nice to stop by and hear about the recent developments.
I want the game to fail only in the sense that it would give me great pleasure to see the whales lose every penny they put into the game and Starr have to eat out of a dumpster.
Ah, but I can dream.
Seriously, I hardly think about SotA anymore.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 22, 2016 10:44:31 GMT
Nothing the OP said is shocking to me in any way. I said they were doing this, even in the early days of the forums. I noticed that those who debated me and trolled me the most often started "following" me in an attempt to intimidate me. I knew they were watching everything I posted to try to chase me out. To provoke. Harass. Intimidate. And they doxxed me too.
So one has to ask, what people were the true "dangers?" Your name does describe it.
A group of people criticizing a game is not going to take the game success down. Every one of us here was invested, some heavily, some not so much financially. But all of us were emotionally invested because of our devotion to playing the other Ultima games and wanting to rekindle that.
Garriott's dream was not to rekindle so much as capitalize on what he missed out on in UO - scalping people to be able to live in the game (housing, goods). With SotA, his vision was one, and one only: be in the position to gain financially from a proven behavior: rares, rarity, scarcity. Make people afraid they will miss out and they will hand you their bank account.
And it worked. But not for the more intelligent and far-looking people.
I realize people think RG is some grandiose god, with superior thinking skills, business acumen, and fantastic stories one becomes immersed. I have never been enamored with him. He's not just a roleplayer, but a bad one at that.
They needed true direction for the game, which requires an outstanding business plan. They were too cheap to do it right, from the beginning. They were counting on people being afraid and anticipating at the same time. It's the right mixture of capitalism, for success in making money. But it's a recipe for disaster in fun and engaging people in something meaningful.
2 days ago, a former guildmaster from UO found me on Facebook. It's been 18 goddamn years since we first met. Our bonds were forged with pixels, people with people. They were not forged on competition with each other or using a game to make personal financial gains. The financial gains was a side benefit for a select few (relatively speaking). The majority of people played the game because of these bonds. Bonds do not happen except among thieves, who know they are taking advantage of people, or people with integrity and honesty.
The group of people still left in the forums are not the latter.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 22, 2016 18:52:22 GMT
I want to add some more things, about those bonds that were forged. In UO, they were forged because we were joining together, as a group of people working towards common goals. For those in an anti-pk guild (such as myself in the beginning), it was to root out evil, protect innocents, help other players, hold certain values to perform good deeds and help others do the same. When we couldn't afford housing, we shared it until we could. We shared resources as guilds. We used strategies to help each other out - if you were a smith, you needed a miner. And so on.
For the pk guilds, they worked as teams to raid houses and guilds/groups or lone people while hunting, to loot them of their goods. Theirs was a strategy not to do most of those skills themselves, to craft and earn an honest living, but to take from those that did. And yet even that required skill to kill those people, make enemies, and join together to gank players. There were highly distasteful pks as well, preying on new players for the sole sense of satisfaction of seeing them cry or rage, which caused the company to split the worlds into Felucca and Trammel. In the early days, there were goals to get onto the most wanted list, and people to hunt you and kill you, to get your head for a collector's item or turn in for the reward. But they even pulled that feature. It still created bonds, and people gathered around the wanted boards and discussed strategies to find the criminals.
For the Ultima single player games, relationships were forged with NPCs, because the NPCs had meaningful storylines. They loved you and you loved them (or vice versa), and that created bonds that people wanted to see repeated with the promised NPCs in SotA. It didn't happen.
The concept of SotA is pretty much the opposite, that of a pk guild mentality (rob 'em blind) without the ability to have fun doing actual pvp in the game. The pvp is not meaningful nor are the "rewards" of resource camping a draw. There's nothing to actually "earn" in the game because you can pay cash for most desirable things in the add-on store.
There are far, far too many things to list as why they were a bad idea that would not create bonds. Right now, the only bonds I've seen is from the people who had a shitload of money to burn to buy their status. They all gather in the game, as if they are someone important because they have no actual importance in their real lives. They want to lord over people, and people don't want to bow down to, or be lorded over. Even the roleplay is fake and mechanical. I mean really, pretend fishing with no fishing poles, fish or bait. That's one way their roleplaying started. Like little children with high hopes because Santa was going to deliver their wishes just because they were high backers and had privileged access to Dev+.
The crowd that Portalarium created, and that Portalarium is themselves, were to suck the money from people. Blood sucking conspirators with the sole purpose of buying up as much land as possible so they could charge higher fees and rent to the people least able to afford it and will have to put in real hours to do things their wallets can't (which is what everyone should actually have to do in a game - real hours, not P2W, though they vehemently deny it is). It's all competitive and cutthroat, to the point of taking it into real life and doxxing people who disagree with your strategy. That's not a game anymore. It's a farce.
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Post by thedanger on Sept 6, 2016 2:26:00 GMT
the group has increased the attacks and attempts to troll and report threads since r33
if you pay attention in the past few days the group is winning with ease
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Post by titsup on Sept 6, 2016 3:04:43 GMT
the group has increased the attacks and attempts to troll and report threads since r33 if you pay attention in the past few days the group is winning with ease Thanks. Very few, maybe no, fucks given here anymore. Lets lay out the two potential scenarios here: 1) You are trying to get a rise out of the forums and posting false information. If that's the case, you are about a year too late. Maybe last summer people here might have reacted to this sort of information with paranoia and conspiracy theories, but now, as I said, most if not all do not give a shit about the game, community, or developers. 2) You are telling the truth. Well, who cares? Certainly no one here. We paid and sold off a long time ago. You aren't giving any substantive information and frankly, the shit they pull is useless as it only cannibalizes your own community. Seriously, who cares. Even if one accepts its the case, of course they would win. 90% of the clowns posting on that forum have spent the money they should have taken their grandkids to disney world with instead of buying some renn faire themed pixels. Those are the people left. Your 'group' if it is one is wasting its time. You think you need to downvote and troll lord_darkmoon? dude has never had a post go by without getting trolled. No concerted effort necessary. You've all spent gobs of money, that's pretty much all that's left surrounding you. They're winning? They've won. The game is and has been moving down the path that high level backers wanted. There's almost no opposition left, even those who don't agree with this 'group' are pretty much on the same side. You all deserve to wallow around like pigs in the shithole you've created. Fuck off. If you don't like what you see, equip your $20 satin bodice bundle and frusturbate your cares away.
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Post by Caliya on Sept 6, 2016 12:11:05 GMT
the group has increased the attacks and attempts to troll and report threads since r33 if you pay attention in the past few days the group is winning with ease I agree with most everything argyle said, except not the "fuck off" part. You're welcome to post anything you like here. Just that, this is a weary topic because we all knew this long time ago. As for "winning," they've only won one thing - hatred - ...from the majority of people who really initially supported the game, wanted it to succeed, and have since sold off and left. Now the remaining players have nothing but each other, a tiny fraction of people they can't take advantage of, because they hold all the property they want, and don't need it from the others. And now, even at this point, I don't have hatred anymore. Call it apathy. It doesn't really matter anymore because we've all moved on to much more constructive things. But it is fun to take jabs every now & then, just to give ourselves vindication.
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Post by Caliya on Sept 6, 2016 12:14:22 GMT
The other thing that community has "won" is the fallout from ever being Richard Garriott fans again. He will never get the response to any future games he might think he can produce. He effectively washed himself up on the industry. Good job, fans!
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Post by nemolives on Sept 6, 2016 14:59:21 GMT
Well I said the same earlier, so I agree with Argyle. There are small groups of like minded souls who act together of course; right now I'm having fun with a cadre of real cash scammers and property owning arseholes on Steam who are all trying to pile on and drive me out... but I doubt it's being organised via the official forums. For a start, there are still enough decent people there that the risks of compromising the plan with unexpected moral qualms are too high; someone like GolemDragon would likely be assumed to be sympathetic to such a plan, would be let into such a confidence, but would never go along with it and would likely condemn it publicly. So we'd hear about it. And believe me, you'd be AMAZED at how dumb people can be when assuming you're sympathetic. I'm currently sitting on just such a detail in fact This post here always struck me as just trolling though.
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Post by titsup on Sept 6, 2016 20:36:28 GMT
Fuck off was really intended if the cause for this posting was to stir up the rabble here. Otherwise, I don't care about the posts. At best I don't think these posts have value as they're being made.
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Post by titsup on Sept 14, 2016 22:12:23 GMT
I am starting to think there may be something to the OP.
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Post by Caliya on Sept 16, 2016 10:14:30 GMT
I am starting to think there may be something to the OP. Why?
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Post by titsup on Sept 18, 2016 0:47:36 GMT
I am starting to think there may be something to the OP. Why? Just reading through threads when people post even the most mildly critical thing. The blowback they receive from what are often the same forum members leads me to believe its not out of the question that its intentional. One thread in particular that stuck out was the first impression video thread. Another, Ravicus's thread on Laz's youtube comment. They completely hijacked that thread and completely changed the entire conversation from Ravicus's rightful questioning direct access to developers that certain members of the community have into Ravicus attacking Laz and Jack for simply giving to the community, which he never did. It was repeated by poster after poster as though it was what Rav stated and he wound up defending himself and the show rather than anyone questioning whether it was proper for players to be given direct access that others are not. Hell, Jack actually said if you want to ensure your ideas are considered, travel to Austin.
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Post by thedanger on Sept 20, 2017 1:10:07 GMT
toodles su
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Post by nemolives on Sept 29, 2017 22:16:32 GMT
Who needs SU, when we have the far greater reach of Reddit now...? Serious discussion though now Jammaplaya. Do you see the date of the original post? August 2016. More than a year ago, yet you've learned nothing at all in that time. A year later and you tried the exact same trick with your AltArmy recruiting post. You simply can't create a convincing character or alternative reality. You just can't. You're too mentally ill to persuade anyone; it was blatantly obvious that what you were saying then was what you wanted us to believe was the case. You're so sick, you want to make people afraid there's some huge conspiracy out to get them, but it's always just you, on endless, obvious sock puppets. I say as much above, don't I? I call you out and get it right yet again, even though this early in coming into contact with you, you'd not given away one of your accounts on Shroud and come to be known as Jammaplaya in short hand. Your character however, who you essentially are as a real person was clear from the very beginning. This bit right here? "There are certainly a few absolutely unhinged individuals involved. Who ever doxxed IM and his family, and GolemDragon and a number of other defenders of Shroud too is clearly mentally imbalanced." That was you. So obviously you. And you've not improved in the slightest bit since then. You're still as insecure too. "Winning?" It wasn't true a year ago, it's even less true now Shroud is near bankruptcy, the reviews are terrible, and I have people just yesterday saying how awesome I am on Reddit, whilst everybody boggles at how sociopathic you are. Check yourself into mental health care before the law catches up with you Jammaplaya / Sempiturnal Dragon / noganoo etc.
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Post by Joviex on Mar 27, 2018 18:47:34 GMT
I thought long and hard about posting this because it may or may not stir up a lot of crap. I belong to a group of people who have a shared interest in having Shroud of the Avatar succeed. I cant think of a single person that wanted to see them fail, they did that themselves, by not listening to the majority of non-assholes, though, prolly not the majority MONEY HOLDERS. They failed themselves, by their own greedy character. They also failed by allowing bullying, and even encourage it, against their literal backers. And yes, this is an old post, and ask me if I care.
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Post by dodgy on Apr 15, 2018 6:41:00 GMT
So how was launch?
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