Post by nemolives on Jun 25, 2017 0:30:33 GMT
Currently the moderation of Shroud on Reddit is going through an appalling period, where the moderator Digibond at /r/shroudoftheavatar is completely unable to understand when he's being manipulated by people with a blatantly obvious agenda; and over at the old /r/SotA_Official, which Portalarium has resorted too after being unable to control the message quite as much as they like on the more popular one, they're just pre-banning anyone whose user name they recognise and don't like.
And in such clearly stupid times, why bother trying to hide your past or even current behaviour, when you can just keep on reporting people to try and get them censored, whilst acting like the most transparently awful person imaginable?
So this thread is dedicated to some examples of just how blatant a complete wanker you can be, and still get away with it, because everything Portalarium touches either turns too, or is tolerated as complete shit.
Let's begin with the mega thread that triggered much of the recent astoundingly toxic behaviour off.
And let's start with the user Smeagol_Complex.
Because it informs so, so much of the problems with how the current Reddit is being moderated. Would you continue to allow someone to take part who openly stated the following?
And what if that user then went on to openly declare that he bases his entire mental health state upon Shroud of the Avatar?
And then that user went on an obviously unhealthy tirade of abuse for other people, something he's also admitted he does depending not just on whether he thinks you're attacking or defending the best thing in his miserable existence, but also whether he feels hopeful or suicidal about the game itself right now, irrespective of anything you might have done or said?
Now... quite apart from trying to get somebody down off the ledge they've put themselves up on in that thread, the whole point of discussing it was that there's this weird belief, or at least pretence amongst both gamers and the gaming industry that there are never any real life consequences for what happens; even the normally rational AdamZax refused to read the links I put up about how the design of Lotteries, AND YES THAT INCLUDES VIRTUAL ONES, THEY'RE THE SAME DAMN PROCESS is well known and scientifically proven to be most powerful draw on people who are suffering or real life poor; and that the Gaming Industry is actually aware that Whale Hunting targets the unfortunate disproportionately too.
Frankly though most of them don't have the moral courage to actually face the reality of the unfair systems they set up or quietly support... they'll agree "oh yes, it's theoretically unfair" but ask them to face the consequences, and they'll deny there ever are any.
So what happens when a clear example of someone who thinks Shroud is the best thing in his miserable existence turns up, and shows how it's devastating his emotional life in real time occurs? What's the best way to handle such a situation?
Why give the person pointing it out a 7 day ban, whilst the person going on a mentally ill rage is left to post just bland links to the forums to try and make himself feel better.
And the fucking morons all have the nerve to get upset that I pointed out that, damn right I feel superior to this deliberate ignorance. I don't leave the mentally ill dancing as long as I can quietly get my entertainment.
And then we have Jammaplaya yet again.
Come on, how bloody stupid do you have to be to still not recognise Rages4Cock is his latest sockpuppet, (as was IAteTheDingosBabies), when even random people online recognise him and follow him to this forum, and he even admits he's sockpuppeting?
"I would disregard anything that /u/Rages4Cock has to say. He's nothing more than a shill account for UOF that has been banned from the /r/ultimaonline subreddit twice now (formerly /u/sizzlebritches). Just look at his old account's comment history and you'll get a good indication of what the community he supports is all about, and consequently, how much of a prick he really is."
We flagged sizzlebritches as him on the Shroud subreddit too. He came to the Reddit originally as The_Guardian_Baby because rune_74 insulted him as I recall, and he justifies his harassment of the user above with the same excuse. He's an unbelievably thin skinned, blatantly obvious, clearly sociopathic, utterly broken and failed excuse for a human being...
... and what happens to him? If you guessed anything like a ban, you've obviously not got the hang of Shroud of the Avatar's moronic community standards yet. The guy is even banned from UO forums, but for what ever stupid reason you can't get a simple account ban put in place on Reddit, and Portalarium won't touch his Jammaplaya account no matter WHAT happens. I know they like to blame us for dragging them through the mud... but look right there; the same guy is active across multiple forums destroying the reputation of Shroud with out us! And Digibond at Reddit falls for it again and again.
How are you supposed to respect people who are so unbelievably stupid about tarnishing the game and communities they supposedly love? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only sane person on a planet of apes. I mean that. How can you possibly not SEE what's right in front of your nose like this? Especially when it's reported again and again...
Now the tricky one: The moron who doxxed himself: MrAdventur3.
I've let InsaneMembrane know this post is going up, because the above literally links his user name into an ENORMOUS past of unbelievably dishonest behaviour behind a simple google search for "MrAdventur3", but which also allows you to find his own Real Life name, and where he lives... and at least what he claims to be, but I suspect he's also guilty of some Stolen Valor too. And if so, he's dragged innocent people into his despicable lies and I don't want to hurt innocent people. But really, it's all I can do not to scream every time at Reddit "Why are you letting someone it's SO EASY to check is an unbelievable liar keep on manipulating everywhere?"
For instance he claims he doesn't understand what sockpuppetting is; yet here he is getting banned for using multiple socks to try and edit Wikipedia:
That gallery site was apparently his own, a failed business venture in the past.
He's tried to claim innocence of Unity development, and how amazing what Shroud has done is, and how he's never heard anything like it before... Yet here he is writing an article for Gamasutra on the specific topic of RPGs and Unity. I considered not including that link, as it uses his real name, but it also gets pulled by a "MrAdventur3" google search so it's publicly available, and related to his behaviour on the Reddit.
At that page, he also claims to be a Marine Corps vet with 2x deployments, but
.... if you guessed that all his earlier Reddit posting was about Xcom, Battlefield 1 and destroying people in Civilisation... The guy lies about absolutely everything. The game link on his Gamasutra profile is also dead.
I'm not even sure he's an actual vet: at least I can't see the Marine Corp letting someone as immature as him. And certain of his Reddit posts indicate that facts visible in the photos he claims are him aren't actually true either... at least, not any more. But I'm not interested in stalking him in real life; it's just... he is one of the most appalling, deliberately dishonest liars I've ever seen online, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was a lie too.
Here he is lying about my third video, to the point he tries claiming only a single corpse couldn't be looted, and the video was full of rage. He still does it today.
Here he is lying about his own personal behaviour, and refusing to take any responsibility for it. Notice too I link to how he slanders the most recent video as well. If you spotted earlier in his comment history how he tried to goad me by saying I should go and care for people, and when I discuss actually working in that industry already, suddenly I'm only doing it for the money; despite me saying in the video that care work is typically low paid... the guy lies about everything.
He honestly is one of the worst people I've ever met online. But because he's very careful about manipulating the moderation now, and because we the critics haven't been reporting people as often as they do, once more it's fine to leave a complete trail of moral slime across the internet, as long as you never get held accountable for it.
And the less said about this poster the better.
Oh Boo hoo, finally Portalarium apply a little moderation to you, and suddenly you expect people you've openly admitted to trolling and hating to support you?
Urgh...
I mean, is it just me, or as Shroud nears the end times, is it increasingly obvious that the only people left in the community are genuinely disturbed? Even Chris Spears himself has taken to completely unhinged posting on Reddit...
But here's the thing; you Crowd Source a game, you talk about the Community being the best thing about the game, the Quality of that Community is fair game.
And it's why I never plan to crowd source again. The kind of cult like insanity and utter hatred of any criticism it engenders is absolutely sickening. And any attempt to resist that just sets you up for targeting by easily manipulation of supposed community standards and constant moderation which leaves abuse untouched. I mean, computer game fandom was already pretty socially imbalanced at times, but crowd sourcing invites you to literally invest your entire life and wealth and dreams into the game, and then turns you on anyone who has any doubts about why that is healthy. And no one is allowed to discuss it in any way because video games aren't serious business? Where do you think the money from all these dodgy funding schemes is coming from, magic pixie dust?!
Arghhhhh.... so fucking stupid.
Anyway, I just wanted to leave a record of all the recent dishonesty before the inevitable.
And in such clearly stupid times, why bother trying to hide your past or even current behaviour, when you can just keep on reporting people to try and get them censored, whilst acting like the most transparently awful person imaginable?
So this thread is dedicated to some examples of just how blatant a complete wanker you can be, and still get away with it, because everything Portalarium touches either turns too, or is tolerated as complete shit.
Let's begin with the mega thread that triggered much of the recent astoundingly toxic behaviour off.
And let's start with the user Smeagol_Complex.
Because it informs so, so much of the problems with how the current Reddit is being moderated. Would you continue to allow someone to take part who openly stated the following?
And what if that user then went on to openly declare that he bases his entire mental health state upon Shroud of the Avatar?
And then that user went on an obviously unhealthy tirade of abuse for other people, something he's also admitted he does depending not just on whether he thinks you're attacking or defending the best thing in his miserable existence, but also whether he feels hopeful or suicidal about the game itself right now, irrespective of anything you might have done or said?
"Too negative sometimes and it makes me worry about the state of the game. So it's hard to find some kind medium ground, and I've fully immersed myself into the world. I love the environment and exploring.
So I'll take my wins and feel good about the game I love till the negativity over saturates again and I feel less certain about its future. "
So I'll take my wins and feel good about the game I love till the negativity over saturates again and I feel less certain about its future. "
Frankly though most of them don't have the moral courage to actually face the reality of the unfair systems they set up or quietly support... they'll agree "oh yes, it's theoretically unfair" but ask them to face the consequences, and they'll deny there ever are any.
So what happens when a clear example of someone who thinks Shroud is the best thing in his miserable existence turns up, and shows how it's devastating his emotional life in real time occurs? What's the best way to handle such a situation?
Why give the person pointing it out a 7 day ban, whilst the person going on a mentally ill rage is left to post just bland links to the forums to try and make himself feel better.
And the fucking morons all have the nerve to get upset that I pointed out that, damn right I feel superior to this deliberate ignorance. I don't leave the mentally ill dancing as long as I can quietly get my entertainment.
And then we have Jammaplaya yet again.
Come on, how bloody stupid do you have to be to still not recognise Rages4Cock is his latest sockpuppet, (as was IAteTheDingosBabies), when even random people online recognise him and follow him to this forum, and he even admits he's sockpuppeting?
"I would disregard anything that /u/Rages4Cock has to say. He's nothing more than a shill account for UOF that has been banned from the /r/ultimaonline subreddit twice now (formerly /u/sizzlebritches). Just look at his old account's comment history and you'll get a good indication of what the community he supports is all about, and consequently, how much of a prick he really is."
We flagged sizzlebritches as him on the Shroud subreddit too. He came to the Reddit originally as The_Guardian_Baby because rune_74 insulted him as I recall, and he justifies his harassment of the user above with the same excuse. He's an unbelievably thin skinned, blatantly obvious, clearly sociopathic, utterly broken and failed excuse for a human being...
... and what happens to him? If you guessed anything like a ban, you've obviously not got the hang of Shroud of the Avatar's moronic community standards yet. The guy is even banned from UO forums, but for what ever stupid reason you can't get a simple account ban put in place on Reddit, and Portalarium won't touch his Jammaplaya account no matter WHAT happens. I know they like to blame us for dragging them through the mud... but look right there; the same guy is active across multiple forums destroying the reputation of Shroud with out us! And Digibond at Reddit falls for it again and again.
How are you supposed to respect people who are so unbelievably stupid about tarnishing the game and communities they supposedly love? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only sane person on a planet of apes. I mean that. How can you possibly not SEE what's right in front of your nose like this? Especially when it's reported again and again...
Now the tricky one: The moron who doxxed himself: MrAdventur3.
I've let InsaneMembrane know this post is going up, because the above literally links his user name into an ENORMOUS past of unbelievably dishonest behaviour behind a simple google search for "MrAdventur3", but which also allows you to find his own Real Life name, and where he lives... and at least what he claims to be, but I suspect he's also guilty of some Stolen Valor too. And if so, he's dragged innocent people into his despicable lies and I don't want to hurt innocent people. But really, it's all I can do not to scream every time at Reddit "Why are you letting someone it's SO EASY to check is an unbelievable liar keep on manipulating everywhere?"
For instance he claims he doesn't understand what sockpuppetting is; yet here he is getting banned for using multiple socks to try and edit Wikipedia:
"This account has added the stereo gallery site sweet3d.tv twice to Stereoscopy, just after several other attempts by 76.121.107.22 and phantom user Tangstra. Each time I've explained that simple galleries, however cool, don't belong on the Stereoscopy entry. Please quit. JeffJonez (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)"
That gallery site was apparently his own, a failed business venture in the past.
He's tried to claim innocence of Unity development, and how amazing what Shroud has done is, and how he's never heard anything like it before... Yet here he is writing an article for Gamasutra on the specific topic of RPGs and Unity. I considered not including that link, as it uses his real name, but it also gets pulled by a "MrAdventur3" google search so it's publicly available, and related to his behaviour on the Reddit.
At that page, he also claims to be a Marine Corps vet with 2x deployments, but
"I learned in Iraq that war is bad. I can't really play war games now, and so would be pretty irresponsible to make them, and thus encourage kids to go get their faces blown off. Now I make games to save the world. "
.... if you guessed that all his earlier Reddit posting was about Xcom, Battlefield 1 and destroying people in Civilisation... The guy lies about absolutely everything. The game link on his Gamasutra profile is also dead.
I'm not even sure he's an actual vet: at least I can't see the Marine Corp letting someone as immature as him. And certain of his Reddit posts indicate that facts visible in the photos he claims are him aren't actually true either... at least, not any more. But I'm not interested in stalking him in real life; it's just... he is one of the most appalling, deliberately dishonest liars I've ever seen online, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was a lie too.
Here he is lying about my third video, to the point he tries claiming only a single corpse couldn't be looted, and the video was full of rage. He still does it today.
Here he is lying about his own personal behaviour, and refusing to take any responsibility for it. Notice too I link to how he slanders the most recent video as well. If you spotted earlier in his comment history how he tried to goad me by saying I should go and care for people, and when I discuss actually working in that industry already, suddenly I'm only doing it for the money; despite me saying in the video that care work is typically low paid... the guy lies about everything.
He honestly is one of the worst people I've ever met online. But because he's very careful about manipulating the moderation now, and because we the critics haven't been reporting people as often as they do, once more it's fine to leave a complete trail of moral slime across the internet, as long as you never get held accountable for it.
And the less said about this poster the better.
Oh Boo hoo, finally Portalarium apply a little moderation to you, and suddenly you expect people you've openly admitted to trolling and hating to support you?
Urgh...
I mean, is it just me, or as Shroud nears the end times, is it increasingly obvious that the only people left in the community are genuinely disturbed? Even Chris Spears himself has taken to completely unhinged posting on Reddit...
But here's the thing; you Crowd Source a game, you talk about the Community being the best thing about the game, the Quality of that Community is fair game.
And it's why I never plan to crowd source again. The kind of cult like insanity and utter hatred of any criticism it engenders is absolutely sickening. And any attempt to resist that just sets you up for targeting by easily manipulation of supposed community standards and constant moderation which leaves abuse untouched. I mean, computer game fandom was already pretty socially imbalanced at times, but crowd sourcing invites you to literally invest your entire life and wealth and dreams into the game, and then turns you on anyone who has any doubts about why that is healthy. And no one is allowed to discuss it in any way because video games aren't serious business? Where do you think the money from all these dodgy funding schemes is coming from, magic pixie dust?!
Arghhhhh.... so fucking stupid.
Anyway, I just wanted to leave a record of all the recent dishonesty before the inevitable.