Post by nemolives on Oct 28, 2016 17:39:23 GMT
I have been waiting for the appalling person who moderates the Steam forums to find an excuse to pull the trigger, and have had this post with just a sample of proof of their hypocrisy ready to go for some time.
Today, they finally did it, and here's the excuse given. Notice that simple facts like the player organising the harassment is a Real Money Trader, and constantly changes his arguments to try and get you invested in Shroud is considered banworthy.
I think that stands as proof by itself that actual facts aren't important to Portalarium.
And here's the rest of the post I had ready to go for when these dishonest, money obsessed incompetents revealed their true colours: No names will be censored. No private messages hidden. To get respect you have to give respect, and Portalarium have no respect for you unless you allow their abusive backers to financially exploit you.
There comes a time when someone proves themselves unworthy of any further respect. When attempting to follow the niceties of society is just allowing people to continue to act in immoral ways without being called out for them.
That time has come for me with regards to Portalarium; and I'm no longer going to bother hiding names, privately shared information, or anything else which would allow them to squirm away from the very, very simple facts;
Members of Portalarium's team will moderate to protect people who organise waves of abuse, even from people who don't actually own the game, as long as they're defending the game in public. Portalarium staff will leak, or even outright make up private correspondence if they think it can be used to slander you. Portalarium will ignore the behaviour of outright scammers as long as it doesn't affect one of their Whales. The moderation team think it's perfectly acceptable to take advantage of people clearly suffering from some sort of disability, as long as the result is they somehow find a way to spend money they don't have on Shroud of the Avatar.
The way the game community is handled is designed to put the perception of supporting the game ahead of all possible moral requirements of a decent community, and you will be moderated or banned if you try and resist that.
Let's start at the beginning; I had put up video reviews Part 1 and Part 2 in the past. On July of this year, I attract the attention of a sociopath going by the name of SotAGuy. He proceeds to constantly stalk my Steam review until I have to report him for harassment and Steam itself prevent him from commenting any further. He then moves over to the forums and starts abusing people there.
He wasn't censored, which is why you can still see his abusive posts here, but I don't think much of it at the time.
On the 29th, he's joined by a poster called ZDuB in reviews. This is where things really start to go off the rails; I respond, which seems to trigger him into taking it to the forums and elsewhere too, whilst I start googling more deeply for honest answers to questions people have about the games, which these two are deliberately hiding.
In the meantime... now many of you are tired of Rune_74 posting almost the only content on Reddit (and remember that argument for later, we'll come back to to illustrate the hypocrisy of what is left of this shameful community) I first heard of him when, looking for honest information about the game to answer the lies in reviews, I accidentally came across him being talked down too at the Ultima Codex, in August.
The link is here, although bear in mind it's been heavily moderated by the Codex owners since.
What you can't now see, but fortunately I had answered elsewhere so the relevant quotes still exist, was that WTFDragon, a moderator on the official SOTA forums, leaked what he claimed was one of Rune's reasons for being banned, a private message that Rune insisted he never sent, and no proof was ever offered that he did;
"Would you think it unfair for him to face disciplinary action if he was your co-worker and he had called a female client of yours a flower?"
"Flower" is the replacement word on those forums for another word beginning with a C. Also note that even contributing to the forum I just linked can be a "contributory" element in getting you banned too.
That is my account there, and I've never hidden it or the links to my Steam and in game Identity, And ban me too if you want Portalarium, the idea of keeping your company sickens me now. As you can see, I was genuinely outraged by this treatment of a long term backer of the game. If the moderation had gotten this bad, what else had changed since I'd walked away and sold my account? How could anyone take part in the community when this sort of behaviour from people in positions of power was acceptable. Were you not even allowed to care about how the game was seriously off course any more?
So this is where my own direct experience of this whole degraded mess begins. My response to WTFDragon using access to what he claims was Private Messages was on the 4th of August. Whilst correcting false information on the reviews again, one of the Developers, Chris Spears / Catnipgames had the sheer gall on the 6th to insult us for not playing recently enough, as if like a domestic abuser, you simply had to take the abuse every day otherwise it was past history and no longer relevant.
By this time, I started to REALLY take an interest in how shoddy the moderation was. In particular, we get to a thread that you really need to read all the submissions of...
steamcommunity.com/app/326160/discussions/0/361798516935310328/
In it a poster called Nzguzzi declares that he's living "hand to mouth", that he feels depressed and upset that he can't afford property in Shroud of the Avatar. By the end of the thread, he feels pressured into spending hundreds of dollars on the Viking bundle. A few weeks later, he's trying to spend even more to upgrade further. Is that a financial model YOU would feel comfortable supporting?
It's not exactly a secret in the industry that predatory financial pressures work on the most vulnerable more than the rich; Read this article from 2013 for wider context.
However ZDuB arrives and starts trolling everyone in that thread. Notice the insult on Page 1:
"(did i actually just spell a combo of Hitler and mammary glands? double facepalm) ) "
And on Page 2. And on Page 3. But here's the real kicker; these comments remain after the thread has been moderated TWICE. Portalarium states it's edited on Page 3. And then again on page 11:
"We just removed several posts for fighting between each other. This may be Steam, but our team still cares and will moderate for the bettermeant of the whole community.
Keep it constructive, or don't post at all."
Followed immediatly by an uncensored "I think T_its is the only one reading them. " As long as he's insulting me, a critic, it seems it's constructive, eh?
Do you know what's even more staggering? Those insults remain not only after I spoke to Portalarium privately about the moderation problems (you'll get the proof of that coming soon) so they knew the above posts had been reported, but it remained unmoderated also after ZDuB was banned from the forums! Not for trolling though, as he confessed to me when I expressed concern (even after months of abuse) that he might have been hacked, which is why he couldn't access his game account;
He got banned in game and from the forums because he made the mistake of also scamming a Whale in game
There it is. THATS the kind of Community Portalarium are happy to let rampage around the forums for months on end abusing other people. As long as they seem to be luring new marks in, it's acceptable.
And it gets worse.
They'll even defend people posting direct lies to justify scamming people on spending real money. In order to prove this, I started print screening posts as soon as I made them;
Compare this thread as it is now...
...To how it looked whilst my posts would still have been visible:
Notice that the posts giving deliberately wrong information are still up, but all my posts warning people Dark Knight is trying to encourage them to spend money to get rewards he KNOWS you won't get are deleted. But who cares what happens to you eh, as long as it's bringing more people into the game? This is LITERALLY censoring to cover up scams.
As I point out, the auction Dark Knight links to states clearly that you only get 3 items, but Portalarium will moderate anyone pointing out WHAT IT SAYS ON THEIR OWN DAMN FORUMS just because they're getting desperate to keep the game afloat.
Oh, and it gets so much WORSE.
You see, you will have noticed that the names Leatherneck, Bob, DayZ_Mod all appear again and again to abuse me too. And defend Dark Knights arguments.
Even though, before they all made their profiles private, you could see half of them didn't even own Shroud of the Avatar. Odd that, isn't it? Maybe you could think I was just wrong and they were right about the facts...
Until DayZ_mod joined the fray, and hadn't yet set his to private, revealing they're all part of a clan named after Dark Knight, and are helping him try and bring in new sales as a Real Money Trader
Oh, and to destroy people he calls his "enemies". Yes, you're reading that correctly, in a thread which is nothing more than an immature piece of abuse for someone else who had criticism for the game, is a post declaring he treats people as enemies for not agreeing with him. And it's uncensored, of course.
In fact, what does the front page of Steam look like at the moment? It looks like this. Every day Dark Knight spams 5-6 links to try and hide criticism of the game, some of which are from as far back as 2014... and funnily enough they then get bumped by Bob or...
... or today, by a new poster with a hidden profile, called "Sonja". Unfortunately... and you can guess this was coming, right? Dark Knight needs a public profile in order to do Steam trades, and you can see Sonja is one of his friends too
Remember I said I'd come back to the hypocrisy of complaining about Rune_74 on Reddit? Well an equal domination of the front page on Steam is apparently perfectly acceptable... IF it supports Shroud. It's a disgusting display of double standards, isn't it?
And Portalarium have no excuse for not knowing this is what is happening. After threatening to ban ME instead, and insisting that we somehow use a PM system that Steam doesn't actually have, and then fishing for my game account to presumably try and ban that, in the end I had to resort to Friending Portalarium to send them in all the details they'd clearly been ignoring that there was now an organised group of people harassing all the critics.
And here's a text file with all the HTML highlighed links if you want to go back and check that that, even 2 weeks after I sat down and wrote down all the harassment that had occured, even after I went back and flagged the posts themselves so they could see that they are there, that all the abuse is STILL THERE. Whilst organised harassment is STILL allowed to dominate the Steam forums entirely.
Or if you just want to read the private correspondence, here's a screen grab of what they know should damn well know is going on because I listed it in copious detail.
So Portalarium moderation, you're scam encouraging, disabled abusing, honesty violating shits. And you know it.
Well, maybe not all of them. It seems to depend on who is manning the account at the time. To be fair, which I try to be even now I realise Portalarium as a whole aren't to be trusted, who ever answered my messages that day was rather more supportive and open minded. But again, I link to more evidence there may be an organised group harassing people... And the response?
Once the worse moderator is apparently back online, to say to someone they know is part of the organised harassment, to someone who just cursed them out to their face earlier in that thread, that they're considering banning someone else, hint hint
Followed immediately by a comment that " i realize steam is a juicy consumer pool but its also a magnet for ..... a certain breed of folks". If you guessed there was a post after that by me, pointing out that I'm a former Royal Founder Ancestor, that is someone who backed at Kickstarter, and someone who played the Ultima games at original launch, and that quite apart from being outright Wrong, effectively calling us untermenschen because we use Steam should have been censored... and it's a post that has since been deleted whilst that one remained up... well, now you know just how bloody dishonest, two faced and one sided Portalarium have become.
So here's the lessons folks;
Don't trust Portalarium. They'll slander you in public. Lie to your face. Moderate in such a shockingly biased way that you'll come to hate them.
Don't buy Shroud, it's a scammers paradise. The game is so badly designed and poorly coded outside of the Add On Store that basic looting doesn't even work, 3 years after it was begun. A game where they went to a Final Wipe to try and keep player numbers from looking pathetic, but they have to ban 30 people in the last week alone for taking advantage of the fact even the mining nodes are broken.
And why would you want to risk trading with the kind of people Portalarium turns a blind eye too? You saw ZDuB got banned only because he ripped off someone they liked. You can see Dark Knight calls in favours to try and manipulate the forums and flow of information. They're terrible people. Even if the community has nicer people elsewhere, these are the kinds of people Portalarium have willingly given the control of the community, and the control of the economy over too. Avoid these people.
Hell, even their official Real Money Trader has an equally dismissive and elitest viewpoint on your place in the world. The real kicker? Post THREE of the thread you've already seen about Real Money Trading was mine, and surprise surprise deleted; because it pointed out Dark Knight had spammed it without even listening to it. Because I'd posted it on Steam already.. And I actually had listened to it. The quote you really need to hear is 31:00 in.
That's the kind of development mentality you're dealing with.
This kind of atrocious encouragment of abusive vermin is the way the community is moderated.
Shroud Delenda Est.
Today, they finally did it, and here's the excuse given. Notice that simple facts like the player organising the harassment is a Real Money Trader, and constantly changes his arguments to try and get you invested in Shroud is considered banworthy.
You have been banned from Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues Discussions by a Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues developer for your post in "Refunds?": Originally posted by Dark Knight: If you sell a kickstarter or pledge account you're actually going to get more than you originally paid, which would be better than a refund.
"Bear in mind Dark Knight is a Real Money Trader, and is not telling you the truth about prices; indeed you can see multiple threads of his on the Steam forums suggesting you undercut other people, and personally offering far less than value to people for their own pledges.
And as Shadow of Light mentions, you can't sell the entire account if it's linked to Steam; furre I think there's now a fee for handling account seperation, so you'll need at least the $25 Account Token to split off any Founder / Benefactor value for someone else:
www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/buying-or-selling-a-pledge-read-this-player-guide-first.12907/
I personally made a profit when I left the game, but this was before the account charges and when the market still thought Shroud had a future, and Traders were investing to later re-sell for what they assumed would be profit. Currently people are trading the items off the accounts instead, as the accounts themselves are largely worthless; you have to go 4 pages deep into the marketplace before you see an actual account for sale;
www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/wts-benefactor-edelmann-pledge-sold.67869/
Notice that it's a Benefactor Edelmann account ($570 new), going for just about cost with all the Add On Extras included, but with the listed extra charges ("I will buy the necessary $25 account token and $40 game token to make this happen.") he's actually taking an outright loss on just the account, let alone with the add ons."
Ban Reason: After repeated warnings and a suspension of your posts in the discussion forums for continued severe flamebaiting and attacking of other players (calling them liars, etc.), and derailing threads that spread toxicity, we are forced to permanently ban your account on Steam and other official discussion areas. If you have any questions on this action, you can contact us at support@portalarium.com.
Please review the Discussions Rules and Guidelines.
This is a permanent ban.
"Bear in mind Dark Knight is a Real Money Trader, and is not telling you the truth about prices; indeed you can see multiple threads of his on the Steam forums suggesting you undercut other people, and personally offering far less than value to people for their own pledges.
And as Shadow of Light mentions, you can't sell the entire account if it's linked to Steam; furre I think there's now a fee for handling account seperation, so you'll need at least the $25 Account Token to split off any Founder / Benefactor value for someone else:
www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/buying-or-selling-a-pledge-read-this-player-guide-first.12907/
I personally made a profit when I left the game, but this was before the account charges and when the market still thought Shroud had a future, and Traders were investing to later re-sell for what they assumed would be profit. Currently people are trading the items off the accounts instead, as the accounts themselves are largely worthless; you have to go 4 pages deep into the marketplace before you see an actual account for sale;
www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/wts-benefactor-edelmann-pledge-sold.67869/
Notice that it's a Benefactor Edelmann account ($570 new), going for just about cost with all the Add On Extras included, but with the listed extra charges ("I will buy the necessary $25 account token and $40 game token to make this happen.") he's actually taking an outright loss on just the account, let alone with the add ons."
Ban Reason: After repeated warnings and a suspension of your posts in the discussion forums for continued severe flamebaiting and attacking of other players (calling them liars, etc.), and derailing threads that spread toxicity, we are forced to permanently ban your account on Steam and other official discussion areas. If you have any questions on this action, you can contact us at support@portalarium.com.
Please review the Discussions Rules and Guidelines.
This is a permanent ban.
I think that stands as proof by itself that actual facts aren't important to Portalarium.
And here's the rest of the post I had ready to go for when these dishonest, money obsessed incompetents revealed their true colours: No names will be censored. No private messages hidden. To get respect you have to give respect, and Portalarium have no respect for you unless you allow their abusive backers to financially exploit you.
There comes a time when someone proves themselves unworthy of any further respect. When attempting to follow the niceties of society is just allowing people to continue to act in immoral ways without being called out for them.
That time has come for me with regards to Portalarium; and I'm no longer going to bother hiding names, privately shared information, or anything else which would allow them to squirm away from the very, very simple facts;
Members of Portalarium's team will moderate to protect people who organise waves of abuse, even from people who don't actually own the game, as long as they're defending the game in public. Portalarium staff will leak, or even outright make up private correspondence if they think it can be used to slander you. Portalarium will ignore the behaviour of outright scammers as long as it doesn't affect one of their Whales. The moderation team think it's perfectly acceptable to take advantage of people clearly suffering from some sort of disability, as long as the result is they somehow find a way to spend money they don't have on Shroud of the Avatar.
The way the game community is handled is designed to put the perception of supporting the game ahead of all possible moral requirements of a decent community, and you will be moderated or banned if you try and resist that.
Let's start at the beginning; I had put up video reviews Part 1 and Part 2 in the past. On July of this year, I attract the attention of a sociopath going by the name of SotAGuy. He proceeds to constantly stalk my Steam review until I have to report him for harassment and Steam itself prevent him from commenting any further. He then moves over to the forums and starts abusing people there.
He wasn't censored, which is why you can still see his abusive posts here, but I don't think much of it at the time.
On the 29th, he's joined by a poster called ZDuB in reviews. This is where things really start to go off the rails; I respond, which seems to trigger him into taking it to the forums and elsewhere too, whilst I start googling more deeply for honest answers to questions people have about the games, which these two are deliberately hiding.
In the meantime... now many of you are tired of Rune_74 posting almost the only content on Reddit (and remember that argument for later, we'll come back to to illustrate the hypocrisy of what is left of this shameful community) I first heard of him when, looking for honest information about the game to answer the lies in reviews, I accidentally came across him being talked down too at the Ultima Codex, in August.
The link is here, although bear in mind it's been heavily moderated by the Codex owners since.
What you can't now see, but fortunately I had answered elsewhere so the relevant quotes still exist, was that WTFDragon, a moderator on the official SOTA forums, leaked what he claimed was one of Rune's reasons for being banned, a private message that Rune insisted he never sent, and no proof was ever offered that he did;
"Would you think it unfair for him to face disciplinary action if he was your co-worker and he had called a female client of yours a flower?"
"Flower" is the replacement word on those forums for another word beginning with a C. Also note that even contributing to the forum I just linked can be a "contributory" element in getting you banned too.
That is my account there, and I've never hidden it or the links to my Steam and in game Identity, And ban me too if you want Portalarium, the idea of keeping your company sickens me now. As you can see, I was genuinely outraged by this treatment of a long term backer of the game. If the moderation had gotten this bad, what else had changed since I'd walked away and sold my account? How could anyone take part in the community when this sort of behaviour from people in positions of power was acceptable. Were you not even allowed to care about how the game was seriously off course any more?
So this is where my own direct experience of this whole degraded mess begins. My response to WTFDragon using access to what he claims was Private Messages was on the 4th of August. Whilst correcting false information on the reviews again, one of the Developers, Chris Spears / Catnipgames had the sheer gall on the 6th to insult us for not playing recently enough, as if like a domestic abuser, you simply had to take the abuse every day otherwise it was past history and no longer relevant.
By this time, I started to REALLY take an interest in how shoddy the moderation was. In particular, we get to a thread that you really need to read all the submissions of...
steamcommunity.com/app/326160/discussions/0/361798516935310328/
In it a poster called Nzguzzi declares that he's living "hand to mouth", that he feels depressed and upset that he can't afford property in Shroud of the Avatar. By the end of the thread, he feels pressured into spending hundreds of dollars on the Viking bundle. A few weeks later, he's trying to spend even more to upgrade further. Is that a financial model YOU would feel comfortable supporting?
It's not exactly a secret in the industry that predatory financial pressures work on the most vulnerable more than the rich; Read this article from 2013 for wider context.
However ZDuB arrives and starts trolling everyone in that thread. Notice the insult on Page 1:
"(did i actually just spell a combo of Hitler and mammary glands? double facepalm) ) "
And on Page 2. And on Page 3. But here's the real kicker; these comments remain after the thread has been moderated TWICE. Portalarium states it's edited on Page 3. And then again on page 11:
"We just removed several posts for fighting between each other. This may be Steam, but our team still cares and will moderate for the bettermeant of the whole community.
Keep it constructive, or don't post at all."
Followed immediatly by an uncensored "I think T_its is the only one reading them. " As long as he's insulting me, a critic, it seems it's constructive, eh?
Do you know what's even more staggering? Those insults remain not only after I spoke to Portalarium privately about the moderation problems (you'll get the proof of that coming soon) so they knew the above posts had been reported, but it remained unmoderated also after ZDuB was banned from the forums! Not for trolling though, as he confessed to me when I expressed concern (even after months of abuse) that he might have been hacked, which is why he couldn't access his game account;
He got banned in game and from the forums because he made the mistake of also scamming a Whale in game
There it is. THATS the kind of Community Portalarium are happy to let rampage around the forums for months on end abusing other people. As long as they seem to be luring new marks in, it's acceptable.
And it gets worse.
They'll even defend people posting direct lies to justify scamming people on spending real money. In order to prove this, I started print screening posts as soon as I made them;
Compare this thread as it is now...
...To how it looked whilst my posts would still have been visible:
Notice that the posts giving deliberately wrong information are still up, but all my posts warning people Dark Knight is trying to encourage them to spend money to get rewards he KNOWS you won't get are deleted. But who cares what happens to you eh, as long as it's bringing more people into the game? This is LITERALLY censoring to cover up scams.
As I point out, the auction Dark Knight links to states clearly that you only get 3 items, but Portalarium will moderate anyone pointing out WHAT IT SAYS ON THEIR OWN DAMN FORUMS just because they're getting desperate to keep the game afloat.
Oh, and it gets so much WORSE.
You see, you will have noticed that the names Leatherneck, Bob, DayZ_Mod all appear again and again to abuse me too. And defend Dark Knights arguments.
Even though, before they all made their profiles private, you could see half of them didn't even own Shroud of the Avatar. Odd that, isn't it? Maybe you could think I was just wrong and they were right about the facts...
Until DayZ_mod joined the fray, and hadn't yet set his to private, revealing they're all part of a clan named after Dark Knight, and are helping him try and bring in new sales as a Real Money Trader
Oh, and to destroy people he calls his "enemies". Yes, you're reading that correctly, in a thread which is nothing more than an immature piece of abuse for someone else who had criticism for the game, is a post declaring he treats people as enemies for not agreeing with him. And it's uncensored, of course.
In fact, what does the front page of Steam look like at the moment? It looks like this. Every day Dark Knight spams 5-6 links to try and hide criticism of the game, some of which are from as far back as 2014... and funnily enough they then get bumped by Bob or...
... or today, by a new poster with a hidden profile, called "Sonja". Unfortunately... and you can guess this was coming, right? Dark Knight needs a public profile in order to do Steam trades, and you can see Sonja is one of his friends too
Remember I said I'd come back to the hypocrisy of complaining about Rune_74 on Reddit? Well an equal domination of the front page on Steam is apparently perfectly acceptable... IF it supports Shroud. It's a disgusting display of double standards, isn't it?
And Portalarium have no excuse for not knowing this is what is happening. After threatening to ban ME instead, and insisting that we somehow use a PM system that Steam doesn't actually have, and then fishing for my game account to presumably try and ban that, in the end I had to resort to Friending Portalarium to send them in all the details they'd clearly been ignoring that there was now an organised group of people harassing all the critics.
And here's a text file with all the HTML highlighed links if you want to go back and check that that, even 2 weeks after I sat down and wrote down all the harassment that had occured, even after I went back and flagged the posts themselves so they could see that they are there, that all the abuse is STILL THERE. Whilst organised harassment is STILL allowed to dominate the Steam forums entirely.
Or if you just want to read the private correspondence, here's a screen grab of what they know should damn well know is going on because I listed it in copious detail.
So Portalarium moderation, you're scam encouraging, disabled abusing, honesty violating shits. And you know it.
Well, maybe not all of them. It seems to depend on who is manning the account at the time. To be fair, which I try to be even now I realise Portalarium as a whole aren't to be trusted, who ever answered my messages that day was rather more supportive and open minded. But again, I link to more evidence there may be an organised group harassing people... And the response?
Once the worse moderator is apparently back online, to say to someone they know is part of the organised harassment, to someone who just cursed them out to their face earlier in that thread, that they're considering banning someone else, hint hint
Followed immediately by a comment that " i realize steam is a juicy consumer pool but its also a magnet for ..... a certain breed of folks". If you guessed there was a post after that by me, pointing out that I'm a former Royal Founder Ancestor, that is someone who backed at Kickstarter, and someone who played the Ultima games at original launch, and that quite apart from being outright Wrong, effectively calling us untermenschen because we use Steam should have been censored... and it's a post that has since been deleted whilst that one remained up... well, now you know just how bloody dishonest, two faced and one sided Portalarium have become.
So here's the lessons folks;
Don't trust Portalarium. They'll slander you in public. Lie to your face. Moderate in such a shockingly biased way that you'll come to hate them.
Don't buy Shroud, it's a scammers paradise. The game is so badly designed and poorly coded outside of the Add On Store that basic looting doesn't even work, 3 years after it was begun. A game where they went to a Final Wipe to try and keep player numbers from looking pathetic, but they have to ban 30 people in the last week alone for taking advantage of the fact even the mining nodes are broken.
And why would you want to risk trading with the kind of people Portalarium turns a blind eye too? You saw ZDuB got banned only because he ripped off someone they liked. You can see Dark Knight calls in favours to try and manipulate the forums and flow of information. They're terrible people. Even if the community has nicer people elsewhere, these are the kinds of people Portalarium have willingly given the control of the community, and the control of the economy over too. Avoid these people.
Hell, even their official Real Money Trader has an equally dismissive and elitest viewpoint on your place in the world. The real kicker? Post THREE of the thread you've already seen about Real Money Trading was mine, and surprise surprise deleted; because it pointed out Dark Knight had spammed it without even listening to it. Because I'd posted it on Steam already.. And I actually had listened to it. The quote you really need to hear is 31:00 in.
"If you're going to enter in the...the...the...the 'other players' for this, the players who don't own land, then what are you doing for the people who do own land so there's an equal distribution out to everybody? I don't have a problem with them getting a higher chance at land but I do have a problem with being treated like 2nd class. And maybe that's how people who don't own land feel. I don't know. I don't know. But I do think the people who do own land, who have gone and put a lot of resources into it or they used a bunch of gold and bought a bunch of raffle tickets (etc etc), it just doesn't feel equal. And I'm not saying the rich get richer and screw the 'little guy,' you know, I'm sure there's some way to handle this.... etc.... and I don't have anything against people that don't have property, so y'know..."
That's the kind of development mentality you're dealing with.
This kind of atrocious encouragment of abusive vermin is the way the community is moderated.
Shroud Delenda Est.
