Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jun 27, 2016 22:55:03 GMT
Cal u have chafed my nipples. We need to have dinner together sometime Do I have your consent to pass you a book with sexually explicit material that I wrote?
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Post by dodgy on Jun 28, 2016 4:25:34 GMT
Cal u have chafed my nipples. We need to have dinner together sometime Do I have your consent to pass you a book with sexually explicit material that I wrote? I'm offended you feel the need to ask
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Post by Mordecai on Jun 30, 2016 0:13:57 GMT
Hypothetical situation: You ask for Fantasy Books for your collection in a public setting. A stranger walks up to you and gives you a copy of Game of Thrones. How do you judge their behavior?
Completely Harmless?
Somewhat Inconsiderate?
Thoroughly Inappropriate?
Similar to Being Flashed?
Equivalent to Rape?
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Post by Caliya on Jun 30, 2016 14:02:54 GMT
If it's within the EULA guidelines, I'd expect it to be appropriate.
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Post by Caliya on Jun 30, 2016 19:40:45 GMT
Hypothetical situation: You ask for Fantasy Books for your collection in a public setting. A stranger walks up to you and gives you a copy of Game of Thrones. How do you judge their behavior? Completely Harmless? Somewhat Inconsiderate? Thoroughly Inappropriate? Similar to Being Flashed? Equivalent to Rape? If they were a complete stranger, and they did not know what I looked like (male, female or child), I would assume they had issues. And, tbh, it's completely unfair to look at the issue from a male point of view. Of course men don't feel threatened by rape scenes. Of course they don't feel it's inappropriate because they aren't offended by the use of sexual violence, and wouldn't take it as if a person was trying to put some sort of message across to a woman. If they knew me, and I was aware of what it was rated (something that depicts graphic sex and violence, sexual violence and rape), and chose to collect and read it, that is consent. I don't care how good the main storyline is, or if it's interesting in that regard. If they pepper it with crap like that, I will not watch it. And I have not watched that series. But then, I never watch TV because of what they do to storylines that dictate to the lowest common denominator intellectually and go pretty much for "sex sells." Let's see what Wikipedia says about Game of Thrones: Use of sex and violence Despite its otherwise enthusiastic reception by critics, Game of Thrones has been criticized for the amount of female nudity, violence, and sexual violence against women it depicts, and for the manner in which it depicts these themes. The Atlantic called the series' "tendency to ramp up the sex, violence, and—especially—sexual violence" of the source material "the defining weakness" of the adaptation.[183] The amount of sex and nudity in the series, especially in scenes that are incidental to the plot, was the focus of much of the criticism aimed at the series in its first and second seasons. Stephen Dillane, who portrays Stannis Baratheon, likened the series' frequent explicit scenes to "German porn from the 1970s".[184] Charlie Anders wrote in io9 that while the first season was replete with light-hearted "sexposition", the second season appeared to focus on distasteful, exploitative, and dehumanizing sex with little informational content.[185] According to the Washington Post's Anna Holmes, the nude scenes appeared to be aimed mainly at titillating heterosexual men, right down to the Brazilian waxes sported by the women in the series' faux-medieval setting, which made these scenes alienating to other viewers.[186] The Huffington Post's Maureen Ryan likewise noted that Game of Thrones mostly presented women naked, rather than men, and that the excess of "random boobage" undercut any aspirations the series might have to address the oppression of women in a feudal society.[187] Saturday Night Live parodied this aspect of the adaptation in a sketch that portrayed the series as retaining a thirteen-year-old boy as a consultant whose main concern was showing as many breasts as possible.[185][188] In the third season, which saw Theon Greyjoy lengthily tortured and eventually emasculated, the series was also criticized for its use of torture.[189] New York magazine called the scene "torture porn."[190] Madeleine Davies of Jezebel agreed, saying, "it's not uncommon that Game of Thrones gets accused of being torture porn — senseless, objectifying violence combined with senseless, objectifying sexual imagery." According to Davies, although the series' violence tended to serve a narrative purpose, Theon's torture in "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" was excessive.[191] A scene in the fourth season's episode "Breaker of Chains", in which Jaime Lannister rapes his sister and former lover, Cersei, triggered a broad public discussion about the series' depiction of sexual violence against women. According to Dave Itzkoff of the New York Times, the scene caused outrage, in part because of comments by director Alex Graves that the scene became "consensual by the end." Itzkoff also wrote that critics fear that "rape has become so pervasive in the drama that it is almost background noise: a routine and unshocking occurrence".[192] Sonia Saraiya of The A.V. Club wrote that the series' choice to portray this sexual act, and a similar one between Daenerys Targaryen and Khal Drogo in the first season – both described as consensual in the source novels – as a rape appeared to be an act of "exploitation for shock value".[193] George R. R. Martin responded that rape and sexual violence are common in war, and that omitting them from the narrative would have undermined one of his novels' themes: that "the true horrors of human history derive not from orcs and Dark Lords, but from ourselves."[192] In the fifth season's episode "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken", Sansa Stark is raped by Ramsay Bolton. Most reviewers, including those from Vanity Fair, Salon, The Atlantic, and The Daily Beast, found the scene gratuitous and artistically unnecessary.[183][194][195][196] For example, Joanna Robinson, writing for Vanity Fair, said that the scene "undercuts all the agency that’s been growing in Sansa since the end of last season."[197] In contrast, Sara Stewart of The New York Post wondered why viewers were not similarly upset about the many background and minor characters who'd undergone similar or worse treatment.[198] In response to the scene, pop culture website The Mary Sue announced that it would cease coverage of the series because of the repeated use of rape as a plot device.[199] Some prominent viewers, including U.S. senator Claire McCaskill, also announced that they would stop watching the series.
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Post by dodgy on Jun 30, 2016 20:50:34 GMT
Fucking hell
Let's just pretend all of history was rainbows and puppies.
Who gives a flying duck the content of a book/TV series? You have a choice not to watch/read it.
And this Fucking bitch about rape torture etc, human existence has been nothing short of horrendous for thousands of years. Women don't have the monopoly on bad shit being done to them.
But violence against men is clearly OK . Coz masculinity?
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Post by Caliya on Jun 30, 2016 21:19:48 GMT
Fucking hell Let's just pretend all of history was rainbows and puppies. Who gives a flying duck the content of a book/TV series? You have a choice not to watch/read it. And this Fucking bitch about rape torture etc, human existence has been nothing short of horrendous for thousands of years. Women don't have the monopoly on bad shit being done to them. But violence against men is clearly OK . Coz masculinity? I dunno dodgy, let's just say that if that series depicted predominantly violent butt pirates, you might have something to say about it. No one said history was rainbows and butterflies. But it's high time, way past time, that this kind of shit stops happening, or that it stops being depicted as ok or erotic.
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Post by Caliya on Jun 30, 2016 21:24:39 GMT
What gets really old, as well, and I won't tolerate it - is that when a single woman (like myself) points out this stuff, I'm accused of being a prude (and far worse most of the time).
If a large number of females, in prominent positions (politicians, journalists) point it out, you accuse them of trying to paint rainbows on history.
If larger numbers of women do this, you call them "feminazis."
And I say, if men keep doing these things to women and keep showing this stuff as "history" in order to get away with actually showing things they consider erotic (violent sex), they need to be made aware. This is not ok. It wasn't back then, and it's not ok now either.
And the more you defend men, the more it makes me insistent you cut the crap.
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Post by Mordecai on Jun 30, 2016 22:04:49 GMT
Can someone just post the book in question? I'm disappointed to only just have discovered this thread.
Listen Caliya, Star Wars: The Force Awakens was at least as bad as the prequels. Don't try and fight me on this. To say anything short of "Jar Jar Abrams has ruined both Star Trek and Star Wars" is BS and you know it, ok?
Furre, I disagree with the notion that providing a book like GoT to a person is wrong on the basis that you should ask if they're ok with adult content before hand. I ascribe responsibility to the poser of the question, the one asking for general books, that they should mention that they are only looking for PG/PG-13 content.
I agree with Caliya that it would be courteous to ask before you give them a book anyway, especially if it's just blatant erotica, but I feel that the lady in question overreacted to the situation, as did everyone else.
To borrow the words of Katherine MacKinnon, "Oh no, a penis."
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Post by Caliya on Jul 1, 2016 12:53:01 GMT
I think the OP was the only one that had access to the book in question, and Portalarium got it because she made them aware it was in her possession. We are taking her word for it in other words. But that Port got involved meant something of it was true. What Port did about it, well I have no idea but the gossip is they bungled it. Big surprise.
You have to know, Mordie, that I never watched Star Wars until probably about 8 years ago, principally because it was not appealing to me and I finally thought, ok I want to see it just so I know what others are talking about.
Star Trek, yes. SW, no. I was always a trekkie. However, that doesn't mean I don't look back on all the sexual exploits (and horrible acting) of Kirk in the TV series and cringe (majorly). I have seen a substantial sum of the Dr. Who series and have to say, no sex took place and it was equally as riveting (to me, even with all the ultra-cheesey props) without the need to sell it through sex. Sex, if done right between 2 people in private, is far and above any sleazy depiction of it on the big screen.
So because I was never drawn, or intrigued, by the original SW, do you think I'd even bother with the modern crap they are shoveling in order to take a slice of people's pocketbooks? Just the previews alone had me rolling my eyes. I know that offends some of you SW fans. <shrugs>
Everything Disney, and other major film producers, do/es is to dictate to the lowest common denominator of human sex drives and pocketbooks - the poor lonely and helpless female that is rescued by some dude who is sexually virile and handsome, and rich. That theme is very old, and frankly, it's a smite against women. It keeps them in their place, with starry eyes, with hands clasped, waiting for their prince.
I'd rather be like a Queen Elizabeth, who does not need a man and has the intelligence to rule a country. To invite any man to bed she desired, and the passion and devotion to one.
"Oh no, a penis" indeed. Far too many men, for far too many centuries, think that little tool has the right to take what it wants, when it wants, or make women fearful of it. For a woman to tell a man, put that back in your pants, behave dignified, and stop that nonsense, is a good thing.
For a man to tell a woman she overreacted means he's not listening when she is concerned. She had the right to speak out, to let it be known - "no, this is not ok for me or any woman in the game, unless they have our permission." I had wondered why she announced it publicly, but the fact is probably something along these lines: when she tried to make her point behind the scenes, it fell on deaf ears. Because, for the same reasons some of you in this thread are telling her, "Oh no, a penis," is the same men at Portalarium saying, "meh, who cares?"
If it had been me that he gave the book, I'm not sure if I would've reported it. I probably would've deleted it and given him a few choices words. However, if the situation escalated then I'd have no proof of what he tried to pass off. So there is also that.
To say that parents shouldn't allow their kids to play games where something like that could happen? Dream on. Kids find ways. You all certainly know that yourselves. Look at all the porn you got your hands on as underage children. Oh, your terrible parents for not putting cameras to monitor your every move. hehe
It's time that people take responsibility for their actions. Stop passing it off, as "Oh, she's overreacting" or "it was nothing." The guy that gave the book had a role, and he's not being called on it. Well, I'm calling him on it. I know some of those folks from the forum see our posts here.
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