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Post by chodekiller on May 13, 2016 22:17:08 GMT
You simply can't make this shit up. Pledges with tax free property deeds will continue to AFTER the final shit wipe in July and yet again confirms SotA's scam status. Oh, and enjoy two more Jerry's Kid telethons.
Summer 2016 Expiration Event, Part 1
At Midnight CDT (5:00 UTC) on July 27, 2016, we are expiring the homes and basements from the Ancestor, Edelmann, Knight Marshal, Lord Marshal, Duke, and Lord of the Manor 2 pledges. We are also expiring new Player Owned Towns (upgrades of existing POTs will continue to be available). All other rewards (including tax free property deeds) that are currently available in the remaining pledges will continue to be available. The final wipe of all game data will also occur at Midnight CDT (5:00 UTC) on July 27th. To commemorate this momentous milestone, we are holding a 12-hour Summer Telethon Part 1, starting at 12:00 pm CDT (17:00 UTC) and running right up to the Final Wipe at Midnight CDT (5:00 UTC).
Summer 2016 Expiration Event, Part 2
At Midnight CDT (5:00 UTC) on August 22, 2016, we are expiring ALL remaining pledges, including: Adventurer, Founder, Royal Artisan, Explorer, Ancestor, Edelmann, Knight Marshal, Lord Marshal, Duke, and Lord of the Manor 2. To commemorate the final expiration of all remaining pledges, we are holding a 12-hour Summer Telethon Part 2, starting at 12:00 pm CDT (17:00 UTC) and running right up to the Final Pledge Expirations at Midnight CDT (5:00 UTC).
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Post by titsup on May 13, 2016 22:57:57 GMT
Why is it an insult if tax free deeds last with corresponding pledges continue until August when those pledges expire? How is that fact indicative of a scam?
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Post by chodekiller on May 13, 2016 23:07:51 GMT
Those type of deeds were supposed to expire before Lot placement began.
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on May 14, 2016 21:38:10 GMT
Why is it an insult if tax free deeds last with corresponding pledges continue until August when those pledges expire? How is that fact indicative of a scam? I can't be bothered with looking for the actual promise that tax-free lots were to be exclusive to KS backers, but it was a common understanding. "Each plot was supposed to be limited and rare, with the limit being a few thousand village plots, a few hundred town plots and a few dozen city plots. The concept of taxes was also alluded to, and we were told that Kickstarter deeds would be tax-free and it was implied this was an exclusive perk of being a Kickstarter backer." - from SotA Sucks website, June 18, 2014, Portalarium Accused of Bait-and-Switch Schemes by Community |
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Post by nemolives on May 15, 2016 5:32:32 GMT
Why is it an insult if tax free deeds last with corresponding pledges continue until August when those pledges expire? How is that fact indicative of a scam? I can't as yet find any hard claim as to when Pledges as a system themselves would all be turned off; but the problem is they did state clearly that they planned to slowly phase out the pledges as they got ready for release, which combined with the normal way Crowdfunding works (at launch you're an equal customer not a backer any more) gave a very strong impression they wouldn't continue past release. But now they have fudged into never setting a launch date and just having a "Final Wipe", and some of the pledges will continue after that date. It's not Lawyer Me Bro insulting, but it's bending the absolute spirit of crowdfunding to breaking point, as usual. BUT! It gets more confusing, and outright dodgier; don't forget that all the previous expiration dates removed rewards for the remaining tiers too. You need to work through each of the 4 expirations so far to see just how badly you get hosed; if a higher Pledge itself is gone and you were under it before upgrading, you lose the lot even if upgrading past it. And individual items within surviving pledges can also be dropped too; "Winter 2015 Reward & Sale Expirations" removes the Ancestor Tombstone for instance, so you can be pledged to let's say Explorer level ($140, still active), upgrade to Edelmann ($575) now, but get nothing from Collector, Patron, Navigator, Developer, Citizen, and only some of the Ancestor rewards. About the only thing left in most of the pledges at this point that's truly desirable is a single tax free home, and only at the level of your highest pledge; And by leaving some of the pledges with the tax free lot running after Final Wipe it's insulting to those who only bought in to feel elitist about owning something you weren't supposed to have after launch; to which I say, fuck 'em. But it absolutely reeks of Portalarium knowing damn well they still desperately need you the public's money, so they've both messed up the pledge system even more, as well as gone as close to the line of ripping everyone off as they dare. After all, with this precedent, as long as they never actually utter the words "Release 1.0" they can leave a pledge with a lot free home open forever. Wankers. As an aside, whilst researching this, I was wryly amused to see that my post being disgusted with it all is the second hit for Google, after Portalarium's own explanation for pledge expiry.  |
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Post by erikmalkavian on Aug 22, 2016 4:18:10 GMT
Why is it an insult if tax free deeds last with corresponding pledges continue until August when those pledges expire? How is that fact indicative of a scam? About the only thing left in most of the pledges at this point that's truly desirable is a single tax free home, and only at the level of your highest pledge; And by leaving some of the pledges with the tax free lot running after Final Wipe it's insulting to those who only bought in to feel elitist about owning something you weren't supposed to have after launch; to which I say, fuck 'em. That's a f#uck up to say about people that have contributed THEIR OWN FUCKING Money and not yours, so why should they get screwed in this because you don't like what they gave???!! |
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Post by Caliya on Aug 22, 2016 11:31:27 GMT
That's a f#uck up to say about people that have contributed THEIR OWN FUCKING Money and not yours, so why should they get screwed in this because you don't like what they gave???!! Allrighty then! Welcome to the forum, erik. Unlike over at SotA forums, you can type swear words here, without needing to use a symbol like #. A couple of exceptions, because of complaints to ProBoards (according to IM), which no doubt were probably people from the SotA forums. c#hurch and c#unt. It's funny what happens when you try to use either word. =) C#hurch wasn't a complaint from anyone except the former atheist moderator. Biased moderating indeed.  C'mon IM, have at me. Come out of vacation. I don't entirely understand your question, but short answer: if you don't feel screwed, good on you. But he was someone who had invested, and there are countless others who have invested that do feel screwed. It's not one person. His statement was not meant to anger you personally, nor make you afraid the game is screwing you. And, I don't mean to put words in his mouth or speak for him, but when he said "screw 'em," I believe he was talking about Portalarium and what they did to the early backers. I take it you're very new to the SotA forums. Were you an early backer? |
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Post by myrcello on Aug 22, 2016 13:18:16 GMT
I help you out regarding that Kickstarter promise only to have Tax Free for Kickstarters.
This is the sentence:
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Once a house is purchased, players will need to pay regular taxes on it of course. But as a special thank you to select Kickstarter supporters, all housing obtained by making a Kickstarter pledge of Citizen, Lord, Baron, Duke or Lord of the Manor will be tax free for life!
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Lets repeat the wording: But as a special thank you to select Kickstarters supporters
What does "special thank you to select" mean!
But to avoid being accused of stating something out of context - read again yourself:
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Post by nemolives on Aug 22, 2016 15:18:55 GMT
About the only thing left in most of the pledges at this point that's truly desirable is a single tax free home, and only at the level of your highest pledge; And by leaving some of the pledges with the tax free lot running after Final Wipe it's insulting to those who only bought in to feel elitist about owning something you weren't supposed to have after launch; to which I say, fuck 'em. That's a f#uck up to say about people that have contributed THEIR OWN FUCKING Money and not yours, so why should they get screwed in this because you don't like what they gave???!! Actually, I do mean ("sucks to be them" - Censorship Ed) to the high level backers. Why should they get screwed? Why should anyone get screwed? But once Portalarium had sold the original pledges on the basis of the assumed rarity of the deeds up to a certain, and clearly defined point, basic honesty means they should at least have honoured the terms of the contract between them as it was originally sold. I didn't like the original contract, but it's an even greater sin to then break it as well. I personally don't care if speculators and property spivs experience a little taste of how they've demanded, and then got Portalarium to treat every one else, but at the same time just because it's being done to people with attitudes I don't like, and which harm the majority of the potential community, that doesn't mean an evil becomes a good... Incidentally Caliya is right, I did have a tax free lot myself once too. At Ancestor level I would have got a Row House and Lot. But I sold off my account out of disgust with the above, amongst other things. My morality is worth more than tax free property in a bloody game. I've recently done the audio for a potential video expressing depressed disgust with yet another aspect of ripping their strongest backers off; the way they re-released Blade Of The Avatar with extra chapters to charge you a second time to have the more complete version of the lore, despite promising the full book in previous pledges. Incidentally, just why are you so angry about that criticism? Do you feel you have been screwed? Why, exactly? Now more people in theory can have that most desirable content, the tax free lot! Do you feel it means less people will be able to buy from you at inflated prices? That you won't be able to feel like you're superior to other suckers by exploiting them? I mean, more people investing directly to Portalarium can only be good for the game, right? *snickers* Surely this extended "generosity" is based entirely upon doing what's best for the game, and neither Portalarium nor you are acting like vampires and sucking the life blood out of it, yes? Tee hee. |
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C'mon IM, have at me. Come out of vacation.