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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 30, 2016 2:34:11 GMT
"Rune, people use MMO synonymously with multiplayer. They're essentially the same thing. You can debate it on the margins, but the Kickstarter literally talks about Ultima Online which was an MMO." Baron F
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 30, 2016 4:46:10 GMT
Wow. Locked. This is what is really going to make Portalarium look like amateur hour. Moderators that can't monitor a thread properly, the big announcement thread, locked, Baron F harassing & spamming.
Well done mods, take out those that warrant and rub it while you pat yourselves on the back.
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Post by calico on Jan 30, 2016 4:48:40 GMT
Wow. Locked. This is what is really going to make Portalarium look like amateur hour. Moderators that can't monitor a thread properly, the big announcement thread, locked, Baron F harassing & spamming. Well done mods, take out those that warrant and rub it while you pat yourselves on the back. Looks like rune finally lost it on him, the baron was baiting pretty hard there.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 30, 2016 4:51:47 GMT
It is what a good troll does.
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Post by calico on Jan 30, 2016 4:52:48 GMT
It is what a good troll does. It was a weird thing to watch, bringing up all that old info like he was looking for attention.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 30, 2016 4:54:15 GMT
I'm glad redfish and rune were trying to use logic with him for a bit. Naturally that was ended by Junior Moderator Mystic.
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Post by calico on Jan 30, 2016 4:55:24 GMT
I'm glad redfish and rune were trying to use logic with him for a bit. Naturally that was ended by Junior Moderator Mystic. Yeah I think that will not end well for Rune. BDF is a key member of the dev team.
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Post by Caliya on Jan 30, 2016 10:33:02 GMT
We aren't sure yet, but I think Tarsilion's head is on the chopping block. lol
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 31, 2016 1:55:11 GMT
So after Baron F got moderated, he goes out and posts his own thread about this? www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/my-observations-on-our-community.44741/"Overall our community is outstanding, and I enjoy reading feedback and discussing different points of view. However, there are some people that I believe don't really care one way or the other, they argue despite the facts and despite the logic listed above." Baron F You for real? Can any of you imagine the reaction if IM was still there and he said that, lawl. Some might say this is the most important time for Portalarium to pick up their professional badges and get to work, on all fronts forum included, and cut out people trolling at this most important moment for them.
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Post by zincturtle on Jan 31, 2016 5:02:38 GMT
Yeah, his brand of "logic" isn't really logic, when it only contains the universe inside his head, instead of the real world. Poison, I'll say it again, he's nothing but poison. The community has been right about all the bad decisions Portalarium has made over the past 2.5+ years. Every time, they warn Portalarium not to do the risky thing. They do it, it fails, and then they repeat the cycle of bad design. They're just reading Chapter & Verse out of the Big Book Of Fail. BDF chanting along with them, defending Portalarium's bad design is not going to help the longevity or prosperity of this title. Not a bit. They need to cut that guy loose, or at least temporarily restrict his posting until final wipe. For the next six months, the official forums are going to be a propaganda puppet show anyway, at least they could make it family friendly.
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Post by Caliya on Jan 31, 2016 13:53:52 GMT
I usually don't take the time to read BDFs verbose posts. I could be wrong, but this is what I seem to have gleaned from what he wants, and has paid handsomely in an attempt to get:
A way to buy a fully developed character so he doesn't have to grind A way to buy an empire that is allegedly the most free and open town to live in, more than any other in the game, to have people suck up to him A way to buy every item that is superior to anyone else's A way to buy the MMO aspect for him to play for his own needs
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 31, 2016 15:17:11 GMT
A way to buy a fully developed character so he doesn't have to grind Indeed, but, it doesn't matter if others have to grind. Apparently it isn't too bad. "So the reality for me at level 1, was that I could go out with just starting skills, weapon and armor and get a steady amount of gold and junk that I could sell for gold in a reasonable amount of time. I just walked from Owl's Head to North Valley or whatever it's called with the spiders, bears and skeletons and I was killing all that stuff with no problem. Of course this was partially because the mobs are bugged, but even when they attacked me I didn't have a problem. I think that area is level set for 1st level characters." -BDF I just posted figures on how much grinding it would take to do that actually. I hope you don't have a day job.
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Post by zincturtle on Jan 31, 2016 15:56:17 GMT
Yeah, even at 4X bonus, the grind would not sit well with the general public. At 1X? It's going to drive people nuts.
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Post by calico on Jan 31, 2016 16:40:30 GMT
Problem is what are these people going to do mid Aug when they reach max level?
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 31, 2016 16:49:41 GMT
Problem is what are these people going to do mid Aug when they reach max level?
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Post by Joviex on Jan 31, 2016 20:21:22 GMT
Sad thing is, I don't even think it needs to be asked for at this point. They have plenty of people that will get out there and run damage control without prompting. And its not really hard to damage control 40 people playing, of which 38 are large whale backers. lollers
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 10, 2016 13:05:22 GMT
The thread that keeps on giving. Rufus is clearly now the biggest twat on the forum.
rune_74 said Not disputing that, but we all funded it.
"Not equally. The last I had data to be able to do the analysis, the top 1% of all backers had contributed 30% of the total funding." - Rufus
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Post by khael on Feb 10, 2016 14:00:50 GMT
Yeah, even at 4X bonus, the grind would not sit well with the general public. At 1X? It's going to drive people nuts. even though i sold my main acct i did buy a 50% off sota from steam last year just in case the game ever got good. I thought id get on and give it a go after wipe. the grind is worse than before. The min and maxing you have to do to level is stupid. after doing all starter quests get some xp up and after a few days of grinding i had about 50k xp left from killing mobs. at that point and the skill gains were slow as hell(just had 2 skills turned up at that time) I was told by someone i needed to turn my skills off and then get up some xp so that i would be able to start gaining good again. gotta be fucking kiddin me? turn off skills so that i can go grind for xp so that i can gain skill again? i had to turn everything off go out and grind xp to couple hundred thousands so that i could turn my skills back up and start gainin in em again. ( i had to do this a many times because i couldnt gain enough xp while killin shit to gain good) A double grind. The average person isnt gonna like doing this shit. I did it and it was fucking boring and stupid. but hey i wanted to test it to see how it is now. got a weapon skill and str to 100 and other skills in the 40's and 50's and said fuck this i'm done with this torture. Just wanted to see how it was after the wipe if it got any better. It is worse imo...Are they fucking serious with this? its bloody torture to level. i didnt think it could get worse than it was when i quit last year but i was wrong rofl. i guess theres always dance parties to go to rofl.
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Post by calico on Feb 10, 2016 14:05:25 GMT
How about this gem from LoveUO to rune_74:
Why not just cancel the game and offer refunds with your logic.
You obviously hate anyone that pledged more than you and you wan to "stick it to the man" with ALL of your ideas.
Thankfully I am a founder level so you won't be a **** to me.
You don't want what is best for the game. Ultima 7 is rolling in its grave ashamed at you.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Feb 10, 2016 14:13:50 GMT
lawl at U7 rolling in the grave. It is rolling in its grave every time a fucking Avatar dances in a hot tub in a diaper with wings. Fuckin nubs.
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Post by fossil on Feb 10, 2016 14:20:43 GMT
Yeah, even at 4X bonus, the grind would not sit well with the general public. At 1X? It's going to drive people nuts. even though i sold my main acct i did buy a 50% off sota from steam last year just in case the game ever got good. I thought id get on and give it a go after wipe. the grind is worse than before. The min and maxing you have to do to level is stupid. after doing all starter quests get some xp up and after a few days of grinding i had about 50k xp left from killing mobs. at that point and the skill gains were slow as hell(just had 2 skills turned up at that time) I was told by someone i needed to turn my skills off and then get up some xp so that i would be able to start gaining good again. gotta be fucking kiddin me? turn off skills so that i can go grind for xp so that i can gain skill again? i had to turn everything off go out and grind xp to couple hundred thousands so that i could turn my skills back up and start gainin in em again. ( i had to do this a many times because i couldnt gain enough xp while killin shit to gain good) A double grind. The average person isnt gonna like doing this shit. I did it and it was fucking boring and stupid. but hey i wanted to test it to see how it is now. got a weapon skill and str to 100 and other skills in the 40's and 50's and said fuck this i'm done with this torture. Just wanted to see how it was after the wipe if it got any better. It is worse imo...Are they fucking serious with this? its bloody torture to level. i didnt think it could get worse than it was when i quit last year but i was wrong rofl. i guess theres always dance parties to go to rofl. You can call me a quitter, I gave up.
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Post by calico on Feb 10, 2016 14:23:19 GMT
Notice that personal attacks are allowed as long as you do not go whale hunting.
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Post by Mordecai on Feb 10, 2016 16:36:57 GMT
The Eight Stages of Avatarism , , , , , , , To think that we started out with a KS, a vision, and a dying company. Gradually, KS gave way to convenience ("sorry about the water lots, non-$$$ castles, and founders") , and vision yielded to reality. Millions of dollars and years later, we realized that the initial release date and $1,000,000 budget-need were intentionally misrepresented to deceptively coax backers into pledging. Many of us maintained hope though, trusting that Pre-Alpha, a term favored and used frequently by the devs, would lead to Alpha (seems reasonable enough) and eventually Beta. The term gave us hope that there was more to come, that the current state of the game was not something to be launched under. And, although players often expressed a willingness to wait for a complete game, the devs reassured us that they were on schedule for launch. Yet now, our beloved devs have decided that there will be no Alpha to follow Pre-Alpha, no Beta, not even a launch, and that they'll "polish the game later". Backers now are having a Pre-Alpha launch not only pushed on them, but simultaneously denied! "Final wipe is not 'launch," Starr assures us. Though he concedes, "But as mentioned below, the concept of 'launch' may not even be applicable to this development model". What about the "launch" that was announced to occur years ago? Why did "launch" so cleanly fit into your design documents (the ones we mistakenly pledged to see) then? So you mean to say that, although the game will be publicly open and the world will retain all permanence, it isn't a launch because you're still years behind the original schedule? The key difference between an irresponsible Pre-Alpha launch and a perpetually developing early access or collection of pre-releases is wiping (see SotA Pre-Alpha Releases for example). In an MMO, when you stop wiping, you have launched. Your world is open to the public and the changes that players effect are permanent. The in-game history begins there, people become more economically active, the world starts to take form, and player actions begin to have permanence. We can lawyer our playerbase by being picky with terminology all day, but that doesn't change the fact that this is the equivalent of an MMO launch, regardless of what pseudonym we invent to shroud the game behind. If this isn't blatantly disrespectful "lawyering" and an insultingly glorified, historically rushed, and saddening incomplete launch, then no such things exist.
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Post by calico on Feb 10, 2016 16:46:22 GMT
The Eight Stages of Avatarism , , , , , , , So we start an injured company, a KS and a vision. "Fine" we say, "We loved Ultima/UO, so we'll overlook your failed Zynga cash shop microtransactional facebook farmville clone and support you, just don't do that again." As the development progresses, the KS is overlooked when convenient and the vision slowly gives way to reality. We spend years hiding behind Pre-Alpha after the projected release date, a sort of pseudo justification for mediocrity that shelters itself by promising future, better stages like Alpha and Beta. And then, years in, after it has become clear that the original release date and $1,000,000 estimated need were intentionally misrepresented to lure backers in, we decide that we're so progressive that we do away with "Alpha", "Beta", and even "Launch" all together, and instead launch the game in Pre-Alpha, promising that "we'll polish it later". Starr, can you explain this? Please understand that final wipe is not “launch”... but as mentioned below, the concept of “launch” may not even be applicable to this development model. So it isn't a Pre-Alpha launch because that term doesn't apply to our model, but the game will be open to the public in its current state, which has decisively been Pre-Alpha for the entirety of development, and there will be no future wipes? The key difference between an irresponsible Pre-Alpha launch and a perpetually developing early access or collection of pre-releases is wiping (see SotA Pre-Alpha releases for example). In an MMO, when you stop wiping, you have launched. Your world is open to the public and the changes that players effect are permanent. The in-game history begins there, people become more economically active, the world starts to take form, and player actions begin to have permanence. We can lawyer our playerbase by being picky with terminology all day, but that doesn't change the fact that this is the equivalent of an MMO launch, regardless of what pseudonym we invent to classify the game with. In essence, this is a historically rushed and insultingly glorified incomplete launch. Your buddy the Baron didn't get that.
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Post by Mordecai on Feb 10, 2016 16:58:43 GMT
Baron F is my friend, yes. We disagree on things, and agree to disagree as well. On some subjects, we see eye to eye.
What purpose does pointing out that he doesn't understand my post serve? How much do you really know about what he understands anyway? Caliya is quick to like your post because she shares with you a distaste of him (although she can be very civil, she gets off to people attacking people she dislikes), but have you never befriended someone who didn't entirely agree with you about everything?
I know Baron F is a sort of SU celebrity, the likes of which we can't ever stop talking about, but is it necessary to derail a thread just because a friend of his posted something?
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Post by Caliya on Feb 10, 2016 17:06:42 GMT
You guys are talking about Rune and what people are saying to him. Is it the same thread that the OP linked?
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Post by fossil on Feb 10, 2016 17:17:53 GMT
Your buddy the Baron didn't get that. Okay? Sometimes you don't want to be the middle guy. Especially in an Orgy
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Post by calico on Feb 10, 2016 17:41:12 GMT
Baron F is my friend, yes. We disagree on things, and agree to disagree as well. On some subjects, we see eye to eye. What purpose does pointing out that he doesn't understand my post serve? How much do you really know about what he understands anyway? Caliya is quick to like your post because she shares with you a distaste of him (although she can be very civil, she gets off to people attacking people she dislikes), but have you never befriended someone who didn't entirely agree with you about everything? I know Baron F is a sort of SU celebrity, the likes of which we can't ever stop talking about, but is it necessary to derail a thread just because a friend of his posted something? You call it a derailment, I call it a cause. Baron is poisen to that game. I don't expect people to agree with everything I say, however, I don't go out of my way to destroy them if they don't agree. I don't force false naratives like the Baron does, and I don't use what I spent on a product to come across as a more important person. You want to know why he is a celebrity? It's not because he defends the game, there are many who do that and don't get called out, it's because he treats those he doesn't like as complete shit.
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Post by Caliya on Feb 10, 2016 18:10:39 GMT
is it necessary to derail a thread just because a friend of his posted something? Morde, if you scroll to the very post on this page, it's dewderonomy insulting Drocis, followed by IM. And it went on before that, due to the thread everyone has been ranting about. If you come here and say sweet things about Drocis, you are trolling and will get that response. It's fine to say how you think about someone, and you have the right to say it here, even though most of us disagree. We welcome it. But to say calico derailed it is not accurate. You did.
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Post by calico on Feb 10, 2016 18:22:42 GMT
is it necessary to derail a thread just because a friend of his posted something? Morde, if you scroll to the very post on this page, it's dewderonomy insulting Drocis, followed by IM. And it went on before that, due to the thread everyone has been ranting about. If you come here and say sweet things about Drocis, you are trolling and will get that response. It's fine to say how you think about someone, and you have the right to say it here, even though most of us disagree. We welcome it. But to say calico derailed it is not accurate. You did. The other problem is on the main forums baron is untouchable. Here we can say what we think, well to a point. I don't think that should change. Some seriously bad things happened with a few of the heavy backers getting involved with game changing decisions that the rest of us just have to accept now. Paxlair, BMC and the barons of that game are shadey in so many ways.
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