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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 26, 2016 10:39:56 GMT
Well in this case they know for a fact that it is me, as I told them directly also. But I certainly see what you are saying, it could be a slippery slope!
I didn't do them in-game or on the forum with AvatarAcid, but yeah, Me = InsaneMembrane = AvatarAcid = Same same /ban
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Post by Caliya on Jan 26, 2016 11:37:40 GMT
But how is this website associated with your account? You never did any of those things on either the forum account, or in game (as far as I know). They're basically saying they can ban you for being Insanemembrane elsewhere. And what's to stop me claiming I'm actually someone else and getting them banned too? Portalarium, thou hast lost 1/8th in Justice... Exactly. Can you imagine all the lawsuits that politicians could bring on one another? Just for speaking their mind? People need to be aware of what Portalarium is doing here. It's more unethical behavior.
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Post by fossil on Jan 26, 2016 14:36:19 GMT
Virtuous kinda like this...
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Post by titsup on Jan 26, 2016 17:06:48 GMT
But how is this website associated with your account? You never did any of those things on either the forum account, or in game (as far as I know). They're basically saying they can ban you for being Insanemembrane elsewhere. And what's to stop me claiming I'm actually someone else and getting them banned too? Portalarium, thou hast lost 1/8th in Justice... While I agree with your questions, I think there's a potential explanation for this. If a person who was the target of an article on this site argued that it was a form of harassment, Port would act. Just hypothetically, lets say Player X ran a website where they did something terrible like Dox you, a SotA account holder and player. You might contact SotA and say prominent player X has posted my personal data on their website and I feel its a form of harassment. Port might then take action on their account, removing them from the game for harassing players, despite the fact that the harassment took place outside of the purview of Port. I'm in no way equating what IM does or did with Doxing. I'm just using that as an example where such a ban would likely be justifiable. I don't think many people would argue that player x should not be banned for doxing another player (provided there was ample proof, even an admission) regardless of where the doxing took place. Again, I just want to reiterate here before I'm accused of defending them that I disagree that what IM has done is on par with hate speech or harassment. I'm just saying that harassment is often defined by the victim's perception not the intention.
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Post by fossil on Jan 26, 2016 17:15:14 GMT
Well if your going to ban someone do it all the way, not just half way
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Post by Caliya on Jan 26, 2016 20:12:49 GMT
I'm just saying that harassment is often defined by the victim's perception not the intention. Maybe, but the definition of harassment: "Harassment is unwelcome conduct that is based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information." Since he targets the problems with the game, and what people say (and not who they are), that can't be considered harassment. Now me, dissing old white men. That could be a form of harassment.
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Post by titsup on Jan 26, 2016 20:44:04 GMT
Oh I agree, I don't feel what IM did amounts to harassment or bullying. I just think Port would rely on an accuser's view, especially in this case.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 26, 2016 23:03:58 GMT
Which goes back to all the left wing political correct pansies who use this as a form of censorship and bullying. Much like fourth wave feminism. Its all the same. Instead of using logic and intellectual debate to evolve our society's concious we use these methods do brow beat people creating a ridiculous culture of no accountability and idiotic sympathies to appear the most bleeding heart all the while pushing a passive aggressive agenda. Hot Tip: Being offended is not a fucking human right. If someone's words cut you so deep maybe you should take a long hard look at yourself and grow a fucking spine. These same people can dish it out but can never take it.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 1:23:58 GMT
Just hypothetically, lets say Player X ran a website where they did something terrible like Dox you, a SotA account holder and player. I know you aren't saying that I did this or anything, but I just strongly wish to underline that for maybe people who are coming here the first time or something. I ran a blog which was opinion and comedy based, yes I called out some forum personalities(not IRL names even) for some of the ridiculous stuff they were saying, pushing, and claiming. I used quite strong language to do it. They would have been upset. I certainly never doxed anyone though. In fact it was I who was the target of the dox for having the blog/forum. I'm not upset about the bans. I fully expected the ban from the forum, but didn't expect the ban from Multiplayer Online really Given the fact that I supported SotA for the Single Player Ultima aspect of it anyway, I'm not overly miffed about it! If I were, you'd probably see me all over every MMO site on the internet posting my video and story. That isn't my style though
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Post by calico on Jan 27, 2016 2:30:10 GMT
Just hypothetically, lets say Player X ran a website where they did something terrible like Dox you, a SotA account holder and player. I know you aren't saying that I did this or anything, but I just strongly wish to underline that for maybe people who are coming here the first time or something. I ran a blog which was opinion and comedy based, yes I called out some forum personalities(not IRL names even) for some of the ridiculous stuff they were saying, pushing, and claiming. I used quite strong language to do it. They would have been upset. I certainly never doxed anyone though. In fact it was I who was the target of the dox for having the blog/forum. I'm not upset about the bans. I fully expected the ban from the forum, but didn't expect the ban from Multiplayer Online really Given the fact that I supported SotA for the Single Player Ultima aspect of it anyway, I'm not overly miffed about it! If I were, you'd probably see me all over every MMO site on the internet posting my video and story. That isn't my style though I guess you won't really be getting either because the single player side is weak.
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Post by fossil on Jan 27, 2016 3:03:45 GMT
I know you aren't saying that I did this or anything, but I just strongly wish to underline that for maybe people who are coming here the first time or something. I ran a blog which was opinion and comedy based, yes I called out some forum personalities(not IRL names even) for some of the ridiculous stuff they were saying, pushing, and claiming. I used quite strong language to do it. They would have been upset. I certainly never doxed anyone though. In fact it was I who was the target of the dox for having the blog/forum. I'm not upset about the bans. I fully expected the ban from the forum, but didn't expect the ban from Multiplayer Online really Given the fact that I supported SotA for the Single Player Ultima aspect of it anyway, I'm not overly miffed about it! If I were, you'd probably see me all over every MMO site on the internet posting my video and story. That isn't my style though I guess you won't really be getting either because the single player side is weak. What SP side? Didn't know that was a thing...
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 4:09:39 GMT
I know you aren't saying that I did this or anything, but I just strongly wish to underline that for maybe people who are coming here the first time or something. I ran a blog which was opinion and comedy based, yes I called out some forum personalities(not IRL names even) for some of the ridiculous stuff they were saying, pushing, and claiming. I used quite strong language to do it. They would have been upset. I certainly never doxed anyone though. In fact it was I who was the target of the dox for having the blog/forum. I'm not upset about the bans. I fully expected the ban from the forum, but didn't expect the ban from Multiplayer Online really Given the fact that I supported SotA for the Single Player Ultima aspect of it anyway, I'm not overly miffed about it! If I were, you'd probably see me all over every MMO site on the internet posting my video and story. That isn't my style though I guess you won't really be getting either because the single player side is weak. Can't say for certain at this point. Just what I've said I think before, if there will be a single player aspect to SotA to rival the Ultima series then I think it is down the road a bot. If they are going to release a release date this month then I suppose we will see just how much they plan to focus on which parts of the game to get it to the "ready" status. This magical release date thing that the DEv+ guys are leaking all over the internet will be the telling tale when you compare it, to what is in the game upon this release and what has been said in the past. When you compare all those three you should then be able to come out with an accurate amount of time it takes to finish and what quality the finished state will be. Assuming they have finished and polished any of the single player storyline at all? Like I said, I have to wait even longer to know I suppose!
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Post by chodekiller on Jan 27, 2016 4:40:13 GMT
FUCK DICK GARRIOTT AND HIS MERRY BAND OF THIN SKINNED TWAT PISSERS.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 5:37:02 GMT
FUCK DICK GARRIOTT AND HIS MERRY BAND OF THIN SKINNED TWAT PISSERS. Richard Garriott had nothing to do with it, but I suspect you know that!
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Post by dodgy on Jan 27, 2016 5:49:41 GMT
FUCK DICK GARRIOTT AND HIS MERRY BAND OF THIN SKINNED TWAT PISSERS. Richard Garriott had nothing to do with it, but I suspect you know that! How does he not? He was the bait. He put his name to this then buggered off. He is completely at fault. He's no better then Peter Molyneux.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 5:59:09 GMT
I guess by this point if I can't convince anyone that he didn't push the ban button, there isn't much I can say you'll believe
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Post by dodgy on Jan 27, 2016 6:02:20 GMT
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 6:22:38 GMT
I sense maybe you two may be talking about a bigger scope than just my ban from MPO. I wasn't.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 27, 2016 6:51:46 GMT
I sense maybe you two may be talking about a bigger scope than just my ban from MPO. I wasn't. STOP MODERATING ME yeah sorry
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 9:45:52 GMT
It is cool, I just want people to make the distinction between what I am saying and what others are. If you want moderation, you can find it at www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum
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Post by Caliya on Jan 27, 2016 12:21:49 GMT
FUCK DICK GARRIOTT AND HIS MERRY BAND OF THIN SKINNED TWAT PISSERS. Richard Garriott had nothing to do with it, but I suspect you know that! Wait a second. I'm not really sure that's the truth. I know you idolize him but ...he had to have had a hand in it.
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Post by Caliya on Jan 27, 2016 12:43:33 GMT
It seems to me that absolving RG from the crap that SotA is, and his involvement in anything more notable (like IMs blog and forum) is negligible smacks of not wanting to believe there is no Santa.
For years, people have been letting RG off the hook, and it still continues.
I'm just dumbstruck.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 12:55:49 GMT
Starr Long is the executive producer. Richard's role in Shroud of the Avatar has been a creative one related to the Story and I am guessing a re-design of the Virtue System.
If the story, when and if we ever see it, is crap. I'll post about it. If the Virtue system is poop, I'll post about that too, don't you worry. I will also post about it if I enjoy it too!
Though I was discussing my ban in MPO mode, if anyone would like to post evidence that anyone at all has tanked or hindered this project, feel free to post another topic!
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 27, 2016 15:21:52 GMT
Starr Long is the executive producer. Richard's role in Shroud of the Avatar has been a creative one related to the Story and I am guessing a re-design of the Virtue System. People bought into it because they thought they were getting a Lord British game, not a Starr Long game or a Chris Spears game. It's irrelevant whether Garriott is writing the story or designing the combat or developing crafting or simply remoting into the office on his iPad-segway just to tell 'em how fucking cool he is on a daily basis, nearly everyone bought into the game on account of it being a Lord British game, not a Lord British story. It's the whole package; after all, why would they talk about Tracy Hickman if they were being sold solely on a Richard Garriott storyline? No, I'm not convinced. They advertised this as the next great adventure - the whole adventure, not just hammering out the sword for it - of Lord British. He put his stamp of approval on this backed when it was "The Ultimate RPG" and he is thus responsible for it.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 15:41:48 GMT
It is true, I bought into Shroud of the Avatar based on what I was hearing from one person alone as I didn't know who anyone else(other than who their Ultima seris in-game personalties were) was at the time. Starr wasn't even working there when I backed it. I am looking inward these days, attempting to locate my own flaws also, one of them I see is not understanding a thing about the game development business. I didn't think that Richard would be coding the game, those days of course maybe over. Did I think he might have a more involved role? Sure. Did I want something a lot more Ultima, hells yeah baby. I also don't know how they are able to manage the IP from the old game either. There is a lot I don't know, and it probably amounts to a lot more than I do know. Don't get me wrong, I'm not apologetic for the state of Shroud of the Avatar right now. I'm just going to be honest enough with myself to ensure that I don't throw that much cash at something that isn't really set in stone again. I know, it is laughable to some because I only put in like 1k where others dumped 10k, 60k, 100k+ into this project. But it is a lot to me and what actually meant more than the money itself was the dream of experiencing an Ultima, a new one, as an adult
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 27, 2016 15:52:21 GMT
Look, I've made no secret I'm a fan of Ultima. I am also aware that in these days and ages too much onus could be placed on a single individual for something that may or may not even be in that person's control. Since I'm a big Sagan fan: "It is said that men may not be the dreams of the god, but rather that the gods are the dreams of men." ― Carl Sagan I have really have no idea what the internal structure of Portalarium is and who does what outside what we are told in the Stand Up. This is why I can only have reactionary outbursts or parody the future based on past events with them, which I've done on the blog. The only things I could say about their internal processes is that I don't think scrums and Quick QA stuff work that well. People have many skills, many talents, it makes no sense to wall them off and segment them to do only certain things. Again though, with what little I actually have to go on, I can't even tell if that is happening. But the way they describe their processes it sounds that way. Unless Port employees leak information from within, we are simply running off educated(or sometimes not ) guesses! tl;dr - I don't know everything. Big surprise
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Post by Caliya on Jan 27, 2016 20:55:09 GMT
People defending RG has a long history, because if you don't turn a blind eye to what he actually has done in the industry, you will see it was riddled with problems for more than a decade.
People still refused to believe that the Fel/Trammel split happened with RGs blessing. Starr has spoken to that issue, as well as others involved, that it was a problem because they were literally losing customers before the split.
Now, it was already a niche game but that would've made it about as niche as could be. And of course we saw many people make their own retro servers.
I'm not arguing the point that it should or shouldn't have been split into 2 worlds. But when people think that poor RG was bullied by people like SL and others, that's utter nonsense.
RG doesn't code. Did anyone who invested in SotA think he did? Did everyone know some of his ideas would be overridden because they are not possible? Of course. All of us knew those things and still invested.
And here we have again, people saying he's the innocent one and blaming SL, Dallas and others. That's just nonsense. RG has a huge stake in the company. He could replace people. "His current project is Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues where his primary role is as CEO and Creative Director."
He is the freaking owner, CEO and director. Would he keep the current staff if they were all opposing him? To think otherwise is pure foolishness.
The funding model comes from the CEO of a company. It does not come from the grunts. The game might have had a chance if the funding model was much different. Lay the blame where it squarely belongs. The CEO.
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Post by Caliya on Jan 27, 2016 21:25:28 GMT
There is a reason that there is the saying, "The fish stinks from the head." You cannot blame the grunts of a company.
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Post by calico on Jan 27, 2016 21:30:14 GMT
People defending RG has a long history, because if you don't turn a blind eye to what he actually has done in the industry, you will see it was riddled with problems for more than a decade. People still refused to believe that the Fel/Trammel split happened with RGs blessing. Starr has spoken to that issue, as well as others involved, that it was a problem because they were literally losing customers before the split. Now, it was already a niche game but that would've made it about as niche as could be. And of course we saw many people make their own retro servers. I'm not arguing the point that it should or shouldn't have been split into 2 worlds. But when people think that poor RG was bullied by people like SL and others, that's utter nonsense. RG doesn't code. Did anyone who invested in SotA think he did? Did everyone know some of his ideas would be overridden because they are not possible? Of course. All of us knew those things and still invested. And here we have again, people saying he's the innocent one and blaming SL, Dallas and others. That's just nonsense. RG has a huge stake in the company. He could replace people. "His current project is Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues where his primary role is as CEO and Creative Director." He is the freaking owner, CEO and director. Would he keep the current staff if they were all opposing him? To think otherwise is pure foolishness. The funding model comes from the CEO of a company. It does not come from the grunts. The game might have had a chance if the funding model was much different. Lay the blame where it squarely belongs. The CEO. He used to code....when his games were good. I think he got away from that around ultima 6.... I think Star is the reason the game is the way it is now, he was the one with the most MMO background.
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Post by titsup on Jan 27, 2016 21:41:10 GMT
Ultima 6 was indeed the last time RG was credited as a designer, in 1992.
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