Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 24, 2016 23:25:45 GMT
Yes, the mature, all-knowing Spoon who is always right.
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Post by calico on Jan 24, 2016 23:28:14 GMT
Can't believe how quickly they locked that...
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 24, 2016 23:29:39 GMT
They read it here first lol Maybe anyway. Sometimes they don't even pay attention to their own forum until we mock it over here haha
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 1:37:22 GMT
I missed the good stuff I suppose in that thread. I'm glad Rune had the courage to bring it up there because that is taking a risk with his own account.
They won't have to look very far to see the truth if they WANT to. The problem is, they don't want to and I'm tired of explaining to them how childish Portalarium can be as an entity. So fuck them all.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 25, 2016 1:43:11 GMT
I missed the good stuff I suppose in that thread. I'm glad Rune had the courage to bring it up there because that is taking a risk with his own account. They won't have to look very far to see the truth if they WANT to. The problem is, they don't want to and I'm tired of explaining to them how childish Portalarium can be as an entity. So fuck them all. Post it far and wide Write clear concise essay no emotions
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 1:49:14 GMT
If I get some spare time this week I may post it around but with what is going on at work at the moment I probably won't have that much time to jump into it.
I did however send Portalarium an official request for information about why this is taking place though. They banned AvatarAcid from the SotA forum immediately after they found out I was him and he was me. They sent a PM(I think I had 6+ but couldnt read cos of ban and none of them came through via E-Mail), but there was no way I could read it and I'm assuming it was just why they banned me. The auto message ban banner you get when I was logged in just said I was banned for running a hate site, posting secret info, and allowing others to post secret info and that was all. I have received no E-Mail from Portalarium on either the SotA forum ban or the SotA game ban, so that is why I made the request for info to Port Support myself.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 25, 2016 1:59:57 GMT
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_groupGroups formed around a set of moral codes are more likely than non-morality-based groups to exhibit "out-group hate" as a response to their especially strong sense of "in-group love" Will Dallas be banned from his hate site? FORSAKEN VIRTUES INDEED
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 2:25:27 GMT
Groups formed around a set of moral codes are more likely than non-morality-based groups to exhibit "out-group hate" as a response to their especially strong sense of "in-group love" That is very deep. in-group love is podding yeah?
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 3:20:13 GMT
Can you let someone you trust log into your account and see if it's your IP address that's banned? Maybe try logging in directly rather than via Steam? Is there anything listed under your Account management pages? Eliminate everything just in case, and you'll have a much stronger case for complaint if you can prove it... but what a shoddy, hypocritical thing to do if so, especially as didn't one of the Devs say they appreciated even the negative forums (meaning these) for feedback in a Hang Out once? I've just checked by the way, and I can see items on the public vendors, and occupied homes in Owls Head. For now... I've got a dynamic IP and can change it whenever I want. Also yes tried direct without steam. There is nothing odd in my SotA account page which I still have access to as it is outside the forum. Negative feedback is one thing. What I did over time doesn't constitute as negative feedback to them, it represents a very combative toxic person who just hates them and is willing to spread his hate and fear to the rest of the community via blogging and this forum. Given the current community's, or whatever is left of it, willingness to blindly accept most of what they say without question the risk for them banning me from Multiplayer is far far less than not because with my history and opinions outside the game they are probably scared I will take it into the game. I'm not saying they are correct or even rightly applying a ban to my account, but I can say that I understand why they may have banned me from MPO. So everyone, watch your tongue or thou shalt lose thy account!
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Post by dodgy on Jan 25, 2016 3:30:22 GMT
Even though I sold my account it angers me they got money out of me
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 3:34:42 GMT
This is unacceptable. You haven't done anything in game at all have you? Not to my knowledge. One of the last things I did was make a "starter" video: It tickles me this had to be tested. Imagine any other mmo where wouldn't be able to tell if you are online or offline unless you asked for help. Lol that is an excellent point! Never thought about that but you are quite correct!
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 25, 2016 13:44:47 GMT
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 13:57:44 GMT
Hehehe, anyone want to point out to to them again that I was banned from the forum and the game for opinions, parodies, and reviews?
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 25, 2016 14:00:17 GMT
Hehehe, anyone want to point out to to them again that I was banned from the forum and the game for opinions, parodies, and reviews? They will just call it heresy, that no one can trust what you say, and think everyone will believe them. Cuz y'know, of course you're a hacker! That's the real reason! lol (not)
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 14:21:11 GMT
Lol, well I did post a simple trick that I found where I could walk through walls and exploit into houses and stuff. But I posted it on youtube for their review, they fixed it, and added information into the documentation on what is required to play the game in terms of communication ports... I would hardly call that hacking haha.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 14:24:48 GMT
They will just call it heresy, that no one can trust what you say, Interesting point. And while we're on the topic... What you all of you, here on SU, need for me to prove what I've said in terms of evidence and not just my word?
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Post by johndoe on Jan 25, 2016 14:47:48 GMT
Lol, well I did post a simple trick that I found where I could walk through walls and exploit into houses and stuff. But I posted it on youtube for their review, they fixed it, and added information into the documentation on what is required to play the game in terms of communication ports... I would hardly call that hacking haha. Its an alpha/beta whatever. You're suppose to try to break stuff, so when its released, its all patched. That's how its done w/ Star Citizen, they encourage you to try to break the game, clip through walls, what have you.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 14:53:53 GMT
Lol, well I did post a simple trick that I found where I could walk through walls and exploit into houses and stuff. But I posted it on youtube for their review, they fixed it, and added information into the documentation on what is required to play the game in terms of communication ports... I would hardly call that hacking haha. Its an alpha/beta whatever. You're suppose to try to break stuff, so when its released, its all patched. That's how its done w/ Star Citizen, they encourage you to try to break the game, clip through walls, what have you. I agree, what I did there months ago has no bearing on any of this. This is a direct result of me mouthing off on a blog and forum. Not in game for any reason what so ever.
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Post by dewderonomy on Jan 25, 2016 15:02:00 GMT
Interesting point. And while we're on the topic... What you all of you, here on SU, need for me to prove what I've said in terms of evidence and not just my word? I trust you. You haven't steered me wrong yet on the matter of SotA and opened my eyes to some bullshit I hadn't experienced - and I experienced some serious bullshit. Now, if you were to suggest a game to me, I'd investigate it, you SWtOR-playing jerkoff.
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Post by titsup on Jan 25, 2016 15:48:36 GMT
Its an alpha/beta whatever. You're suppose to try to break stuff, so when its released, its all patched. That's how its done w/ Star Citizen, they encourage you to try to break the game, clip through walls, what have you. I agree, what I did there months ago has no bearing on any of this. This is a direct result of me mouthing off on a blog and forum. Not in game for any reason what so ever. My guess here on this is simple and would easily justify banning you, though I don't agree with it. So I'd assume that when you outed yourself, many in the community, particularly those who you infuriated took it upon themselves to claim that the blog was a form of harassment. Especially people like Amber. They could easily make the case that you created a space which repeatedly spoke about them in an offensive way. They would make the case that a member of the community was openly harassing them. The evidence was there for everyone to examine. It would be very easy for some people like Themo or Amber to claim harassment. Whether one agrees with that distinction is another thing. However, Port is going to err on the side of their members and them saying they perceive it as harassment is likely all that's needed to ban you. If its perceived as harassment by the target and they can prove it (which was easy, they could simply point to the blog), there's no need for you to harass them in game as well to be banned from there. You provided them with adequate ammunition to ban you both on their forums and in game. All it would have taken is one of the targets of an article on the website saying they were the target of harassment and there were plenty of targets and aggrieved parties. I'm sure Portalarium didn't need much convincing either. They would gladly accommodate any requests by a community member to stamp out perceived harassment from this site. Finding out the identity just made it easy for all parties involved.
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Post by fossil on Jan 25, 2016 15:50:09 GMT
The people at port are the type of guys you'd like to meet in a back alley somewhere, so you can see their true colors. Just a bunch of cowards.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 25, 2016 15:54:29 GMT
I agree, what I did there months ago has no bearing on any of this. This is a direct result of me mouthing off on a blog and forum. Not in game for any reason what so ever. My guess here on this is simple and would easily justify banning you, though I don't agree with it. So I'd assume that when you outed yourself, many in the community, particularly those who you infuriated took it upon themselves to claim that the blog was a form of harassment. Especially people like Amber. They could easily make the case that you created a space which repeatedly spoke about them in an offensive way. They would make the case that a member of the community was openly harassing them. The evidence was there for everyone to examine. It would be very easy for some people like Themo or Amber to claim harassment. Whether one agrees with that distinction is another thing. However, Port is going to err on the side of their members and them saying they perceive it as harassment is likely all that's needed to ban you. If its perceived as harassment by the target and they can prove it (which was easy, they could simply point to the blog), there's no need for you to harass them in game as well to be banned from there. You provided them with adequate ammunition to ban you both on their forums and in game. All it would have taken is one of the targets of an article on the website saying they were the target of harassment and there were plenty of targets and aggrieved parties. I'm sure Portalarium didn't need much convincing either. They would gladly accommodate any requests by a community member to stamp out perceived harassment from this site. Finding out the identity just made it easy for all parties involved. That would sum it up quite readily I'd say!
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Jan 25, 2016 16:18:27 GMT
They will just call it heresy, that no one can trust what you say, Interesting point. And while we're on the topic... What you all of you, here on SU, need for me to prove what I've said in terms of evidence and not just my word? If any of us, on this forum, mistrusted you, we wouldn't be here. Telling the truth is not a crime. Using swear words, jokes, and insults are not crimes either. The fact that they read your blog and forum is not your fault. That would be like me having a party, and at that party I told a lot of people how crap that SotA is, and because that is "hate speech" they could ban me from the forums and game for something I never did in the game. That's as much sense as it makes. It's the same childish and retaliatory behavior they have exhibited, and the fact they gather people like that around them shows what they're about.
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Post by nemolives on Jan 25, 2016 20:48:31 GMT
I trust you as well; I'm simply thinking of how you could prove it to reasonable people, who may be on the fence about Shroud, that you've genuinely been restricted based upon ThoughtCrime, rather than just making any old thing up out of "hate".
What I don't understand is what Portalarium thought they were doing with such a ban; is it because they feel, with the terms of Kickstarter/their own ToS/legal precedent they can't stop you using the offline portion of the game? But the game is Peer to Peer, only the economy relies upon Portalarium's own servers; so what is the logic behind stopping you P2Ping to other players clients?
Do they think you'll harass people online and in game? But then, they'd already have a record of that, surely?
Is it that they think the MMO part is the core part of the Shroud experience, so it's a punishment issue?
And most importantly, why couldn't they just be the bigger person and ignore your opinions if they weren't being expressed in game?
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Post by dodgy on Jan 26, 2016 0:05:04 GMT
This is the part where IM reveals avatar acid is Starr Long
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 26, 2016 1:50:18 GMT
Confirmed, I was restricted from MPO mode by Portalarium for breach of the EULA as indicated to me by Portalarium Support channels. www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?page_id=47863Specifically: You agree that you are responsible for the content of all communications associated with your account. In the event of unacceptable content within such communications, you understand that PORTALARIUM may exercise its rights to remove said content and possibly initiate further action. Inappropriate language, inflammatory or combative behavior, personal attacks, threats of litigation, adult content, privacy violations, spam, and solicitations are some of the reasons that can be cause for content moderation or further action. You understand that the application of PORTALARIUM’s right to take action against these communications are at the discretion of PORTALARIUM management, employees, and moderators. In extraordinary cases permanent actions against the user’s account may be instituted. Any such permanent actions are reviewed by PORTALARIUM management.
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Post by fossil on Jan 26, 2016 2:17:36 GMT
hate to say it but you did not agree to that adjustment...
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 26, 2016 2:24:30 GMT
Indeed
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Post by fossil on Jan 26, 2016 2:27:09 GMT
nor have I because they need to get my approval which has yet to be given...
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Post by nemolives on Jan 26, 2016 10:16:49 GMT
But how is this website associated with your account? You never did any of those things on either the forum account, or in game (as far as I know). They're basically saying they can ban you for being Insanemembrane elsewhere. And what's to stop me claiming I'm actually someone else and getting them banned too? Portalarium, thou hast lost 1/8th in Justice...
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