Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 5, 2016 4:40:41 GMT
Rather than clean the thread up from Themo's trolling, Papa Port decides to kill the entire thread.
Now, this should actually be grounds for Ravi's permaban, no? I was permabanned for asking what was to be done about Dev+ members leaking Dev+ info. Ravi was asking how to report ONBE special people, not a lot of difference right?
That thread was trash, with only a handful of worthwhile posts, which were asking for information on ONBEs. I enjoy a good rousing from Ravicus, but I found his introduction to that thread to be unrealistic to take seriously. If you want to report someone, or want to report them with the additional stipulation that they lose an ONBE, or want to do all that plus encourage a framework through which other players could systematically have their own ONBEs revoked, then you ought to take it up in private with FireLotus at firstname.lastname@example.org. If you want to discuss it outside of Port, then make a group PM, but don't expect a public thread requesting what would likely be perceived by many as a petty misguided punishment for an already over-invoked law to 1) not go downhill and 2) not get moderated (not that Ravicus claimed any particular longevity for the thread). If you're asking for a system of ONBE revocation, then you best have a great example, some kind of precedent that shows a founded and considerable risk in allowing unlimited ONBE ownership, something like an ONBE-holder suing Port or PKing people irl.
Immediately attacking Themo just undermines his thread's integrity and makes it appear more likely that his intentions were not as earnest as his OP's concise logic would lead us to believe. Themo was quite successful in provoking this out of Ravicus, considering that his response was very reasonable, if a little short, and then Ravicus immediately attacks him, only to cry "character assassination" a few posts later when Themo finally loses his composure.
I'll admit IM, that Spoon's post was worth having somewhere on some forum, as were Odyssey, Bowen, Fox Cunning, and Katrina Bekers' posts. Here's Spoon's reasoning on why ONBEs should not be revocable:
Ravicus Domdred said:
I would think that toxic behavior should warrant removal [of ONBEs]
... this stems from a misconception about what an ONBE is. You get it for past achievement in a specific field, regardless of achievement/behavior in other fields.
It would be a very strange order if it revoked its members for something unrelated, especially something as subjective as "toxic behaviour", not to mention that it would lead to new ways of trolling and griefing towards members who have done something exceptional for the game.
Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 6, 2016 1:35:28 GMT
I don't think it can or should be revoked. However depending on the "toxic behaviour" in question, it in itself should be treated as if the user didn't hold ONBE. Apparently according to Starr, toxic behaviour is dealt with no matter the person or pledge right? PERIOD.
I guess we will never know if the "toxic behaviour" was in fact dealt with. Unless Ravi comes here and tells us.