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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 21, 2015 11:16:38 GMT
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Post by Caliya on Dec 21, 2015 12:33:20 GMT
It's one reason we grew a lot of our own food - sometimes you can't even trust vegetables. Most garlic comes from China and doesn't taste nearly as good as home grown, for example. Honey is also purified so you don't know the country of origin. And the olive oil debacle is ongoing, but at least they now label what countries the oil comes from (seems ridiculous it's one huge mix from multiple countries).
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Post by jackjack on Dec 21, 2015 15:50:59 GMT
One of the only struggles I have as a Vegan, (I promise not to preach, just sharing my experience), is getting my B12. But here's the thing: I could be getting plenty from my veggies, but because of all the pesticides involved in growing them, I have to wash them, which strips it right off, meaning I have to take a supplement. So the problem's scope is wider than meat, unfortunately.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 21, 2015 16:39:55 GMT
I am lucky enough at the moment to be able to pick up way more veggies than I could ever eat for close to %5 of the cost at the supermarket. Benefit is that they are all grown pesticide free. Just requires close inspection and a little bit of a catch & release program for the friendly snails that hitch a ride
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Post by Caliya on Dec 21, 2015 16:46:38 GMT
We left our 1600 square foot organic garden when we moved to Germany. But we have a really big patio, so we'll be growing at least some things in containers. They say not to wash your garden veggies because of what jackjack said, but it's hard not to, especially, there are good reasons to wash even organic produce. Parasites are everywhere.
That film IM posted, about the vermiculite - I never knew that before, and container gardening often has vermiculite in the soil. So that's another issue with container gardening.
It's too difficult for me to stick purely to veganism though. It's pretty easy for breakfast & lunch. But dinner, I usually cave and have some sort of dairy (cheese). And I can't resist cream of broccoli soup made with butter and milk. I know I could use coconut oil and alternative milk (I make my own almond milk regularly). But it's just not the same.
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Post by jackjack on Dec 21, 2015 16:54:45 GMT
My wife makes homemade "meat" and "cheese" in our Cuisinart. I'm really quite lucky–she makes it much easier than it was before.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 21, 2015 17:07:41 GMT
It's too difficult for me to stick purely to veganism though. It's pretty easy for breakfast & lunch. But dinner, I usually cave and have some sort of dairy (cheese). And I can't resist cream of broccoli soup made with butter and milk. I know I could use coconut oil and alternative milk (I make my own almond milk regularly). But it's just not the same. Yeah for something like that you'd need oat milk, it is a lot more base and not nearly as sweet as almond or weird as coconut Look into nutritional yeast, dare you to tell me this aint close! www.simple-veganista.com/2013/10/easy-spicy-mac-n-cheese-nut-free-soy.html
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Post by Caliya on Dec 21, 2015 17:13:07 GMT
Ya, I have a supply of nutritional yeast, and I have used it instead, on occasion.
I like making vegan tacos with it. I just toss onion, garlic, tomato, cayenne, walnuts, taco seasonings, nutritional yeast, salt. Then I put all that in a lettuce wrap, and sometimes make guacamole to have with it too. It's a really delicious & satisfying vegan meal.
I'm just not hard core into vegan ideologies.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 21, 2015 17:22:27 GMT
I'm just not hard core into vegan ideologies. To be honest, me either. I'm a little more self centred than that haha, it is nice to help the animals and what not but this is mainly around rebooting my own health. I'm only two years into it all now.
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Post by licemeat on Dec 21, 2015 18:13:58 GMT
Anyone willing to eat a hotdog probably won't care where their meat comes from. I remember the McDonald's scandal thingy where its advertising says "100 American Beef," and when it came out that the claim means "South America," nobody actually gave a shit and still ordered that Big Mac anyway. Although I rarely can afford to eat fish, I consider myself a pescetarian and it scares me to think I might end up eating Chinese pollution fish. So for the people who do care about where their food comes from, I understand the wish for it to remain labeled as it is now.
The article refers to Canada being one of two of the countries allowed to impose tariffs in retaliation. Although I don't know any real statistics or anything about how labeling has affected Canada, I never would have thought about a Canadian product being as inferior. Hell, pork seems like it might even come with a hint of maple syrup naturally infused into it.
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Post by dewderonomy on Dec 21, 2015 18:30:47 GMT
It's been in your mom.
Okay, I'm good now. Back to your vegan bacon.
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Post by Caliya on Dec 21, 2015 18:40:56 GMT
It's been in your mom. Okay, I'm good now. Back to your vegan bacon. Yes, but was it eaten? heh
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Post by titsup on Dec 21, 2015 18:56:05 GMT
I used to be a vegan, for a very short time. I guess you could say I experimented for a half a year to a year.
I'm a bit more concerned about nutrition now. I'm curious, how do you vegetarians/vegans get adequate protein? Given that you are supposed to take in ~half your weight in grams of protein at a minimum, I feel like this was almost an impossible task as a vegan.
I'm genuinely curious, as honestly, if it wouldn't cause me to lose nutritional balance, I'd definitely consider a vegetarian or even vegan lifestyle in the new year.
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Post by jackjack on Dec 21, 2015 19:13:52 GMT
Nuts (including peanut butter), chick peas, lentils, beans, tofu, tempeh, quinoa, seitan, certain veggies, (leafy greens), and almond milk make up the bulk of my protein intake. Nutritional yeast, cocoa powder, and edamame all help as well. Protein is everywhere. Edit: a better source than me is www.pcrm.org/health/diets(Ignore the cries/pleas for money, the info is free)
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Post by Caliya on Dec 21, 2015 21:02:17 GMT
It's not my intention to derail the thread, but this one's for you dewderonomylol
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Post by Caliya on Dec 21, 2015 21:09:22 GMT
I'm curious, how do you vegetarians/vegans get adequate protein? To be honest, I don't think nutritionists know what we need. Some of the biggest animals are vegetarian (gorillas, cows, elephants, etc.). Apparently greens have a lot of protein. But, it's also a well known fact that vegans sometimes have pretty substantial hormonal swings. Women often stop their monthly cycles and can't conceive. And men's muscles can waste away. They say that balances out over time. I haven't ever been pure vegan long enough to find out.
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Post by titsup on Dec 21, 2015 22:05:52 GMT
I'm curious, how do you vegetarians/vegans get adequate protein? And men's muscles can waste away. The is the issue with protein. There's an amount based on calorie burn that's necessary to either maintain or grow muscle. All the lifting in the world won't help if you don't take in extra protein as its necessary for the growth of muscles. A reduced amount of protein means muscle loss, and moving to a vegan diet means cutting all basically all the highest protein. A cup of kidney beans might have 9 grams where as a chicken breast might have 30. Not everyone really worries about that, but I'd like to get and keep myself in some sort of shape. I'm not some muscle bound behemoth but losing weight and losing muscles just means you weigh less, it doesn't actually mean you are any more healthy. There are probably vegan protein supplements. I could probably just Google. I was just curious if any of you paid attention to such things and if so what your solutions might be.
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Post by jackjack on Dec 21, 2015 22:16:54 GMT
Not my thing, as I stick mostly to Russian stage movement exercises and taking the stairs, but these guys should have the info you need: www.veganbodybuilding.com/Also, you might find the "fireman diet" interesting: engine2diet.com//proselytization
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Post by dodgy on Dec 21, 2015 22:48:05 GMT
And men's muscles can waste away. The is the issue with protein. There's an amount based on calorie burn that's necessary to either maintain or grow muscle. All the lifting in the world won't help if you don't take in extra protein as its necessary for the growth of muscles. A reduced amount of protein means muscle loss, and moving to a vegan diet means cutting all basically all the highest protein. A cup of kidney beans might have 9 grams where as a chicken breast might have 30. Not everyone really worries about that, but I'd like to get and keep myself in some sort of shape. I'm not some muscle bound behemoth but losing weight and losing muscles just means you weigh less, it doesn't actually mean you are any more healthy. There are probably vegan protein supplements. I could probably just Google. I was just curious if any of you paid attention to such things and if so what your solutions might be. Incorrect Depends what you are training for. Are you training for mass and be BB douche? Then yep eat all those fuckin calories no more then 40g of a protein a sitting and meals every 90 minutes bla bla bla However training for functional strength doesnt pack on meat on you. You can achieve this again eating normally and training compound movements. If you are after basic strength start with Stronglifts 5 x 5. Its great for someone who hasnt lifted properly before. After 5 x 5 You wanna look at wendler 5/3/1 These two programs are fantastic place to start from nothing. 5/3/1 I manage to throw in at least once a year. I wanna have a crack at the 10k kettlebell swing challenge but its so fucking scary
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 22, 2015 1:41:46 GMT
I was a bit sceptical at first, so I have had blood tests done every 8 weeks for a year plus. Everything is perfect and all of the bad crap like sodium, colesterol, bla bla is gone. But yea, you can't just go eat one kind of green thing and expect to be in perfect health. A balanced plan is of course required for any long term food intake. If you just eat one kind of anything for long enough, you'll get sick.
My diet sounds nearly identical to Jack Jack, though I stay way from seed extracts and seed products like peanut butter and tahini now also due to the high oil content. Raw, for me, is the best way to go at the moment. Plenty of protein in non-meat in very adequate levels to allow a normal person both health and growth.
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Post by dewderonomy on Dec 22, 2015 3:07:13 GMT
It's not my intention to derail the thread, but this one's for you dewderonomy lol This is my theme song.
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