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Post by Caliya on Dec 19, 2015 9:11:50 GMT
Notice the newsletter today, that there is no Alpha Release in 1st quarter, and only hopes of Alpha in mid-summer? lol Remember, after alpha is beta. Let's say mid-summer for alpha - between alpha & beta only 6 months? haha Hey, our 2017 release prediction still stands. "The focus of the first quarter of 2016 is to get us as close to Alpha/Feature complete as possible as soon as we can. However we are balancing that Alpha goal with polish, performance, and service hardening to prepare for our final wipe as soon as mid-summer. If we have to make a choice at any point we will favor getting to final wipe over hitting Feature complete. That is why you will not see quite as much content listed as last quarter, despite our increased staff. We feel that it is better to get the game into a more polished, playable, and secure state sooner than it is to check off every single feature." www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/q1-2016-schedule-update.42479/ |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 19, 2015 10:31:35 GMT
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 19, 2015 10:35:46 GMT
"NOTE: Payment plans have been extended to June 2016
Sincerely,
Starr Long
Executive Producer
Shroud of the Avatar"
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 19, 2015 10:36:49 GMT
"Single Player Offline: While Single Player Offline mode has been working internally since the start of the project, the work of making this available to players will begin. Additionally, features and content specific to Single Player Offline Mode will move into full production."
lulz, move into full production. So much for POTs and all the extra stuff not actually having an impact on Single Player as many have clearly seen.
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Post by dewderonomy on Dec 19, 2015 20:37:36 GMT
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Caliya
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Post by Caliya on Dec 19, 2015 21:19:52 GMT
If we have to make a choice at any point we will favor getting to final wipe over hitting Feature complete. That is why you will not see quite as much content listed as last quarter, despite our increased staff. We feel that it is better to get the game into a more polished, playable, and secure state sooner than it is to check off every single feature." Come on guys, I thought maybe some of you would harp on this. They are literally saying they have no intent of making the game feature complete, unless it somehow "magically" happens, until at least mid-summer. They're focusing on making the game look less like a turd, so that it stops getting negative reviews on Steam. But the graphics that are the most lacking are the characters, character movements, weapons, and basically the way your character interacts with the world. That's what looks more 1990s or early 2000s than anything (to me). I can suffer with bad graphics though, if the game is interesting to play. Right now, and for the last few weeks, I've been playing Thief and Thief 2, both from 1998 and 2000. Crappy ass graphics (but during that time period, impressive) and you can't even see your own character. But fun anyway. Anyway, why aren't people up in arms about the game not being feature complete by the middle of next year? They keep pushing the original KS goals and features promised in favor of feature creep. |
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Post by titsup on Dec 19, 2015 22:35:31 GMT
If we have to make a choice at any point we will favor getting to final wipe over hitting Feature complete. That is why you will not see quite as much content listed as last quarter, despite our increased staff. We feel that it is better to get the game into a more polished, playable, and secure state sooner than it is to check off every single feature." Come on guys, I thought maybe some of you would harp on this. They are literally saying they have no intent of making the game feature complete, unless it somehow "magically" happens, until at least mid-summer. What the fuck is final wipe? As in, the last wipe they'll ever do? So they plan on doing a 'final wipe' maybe at alpha? So players will be playing essentially a released game, 100% that will start as day 1 in maybe the summer and despite the fact that the game will remain in an alpha, then beta state, all player activity will from that point on will have permanence? I'm curious what your thoughts on this are myrcello ? Does a final wipe at the end of pre-alpha mean the game will essentially be released given that all player actions will matter from that point forward or does Port continuing to have the game in Early Access and simply calling it an Alpha at that point mean that the game still cannot be judged at that point? I think what they've done here is basically say they are going to release the game unfinished (by doing a final wipe thereby making the permanent world LIVE) and just add in patches after that add features gradually to the game. Its BRILLIANT. They can actually continue to call themselves not released despite releasing their game. They and their fans can continue to say the game is too early to be judged even though the game will have for all intents and purposes been a live release. They can perpetually stay in development and every criticism can be pushed aside as too early to judge. Their own development cycle has been completely blurred. Make no mistake, they have moved to beta now. They are polishing and balancing and implementing the single player offline and not completely the promised features by final wipe. Worse yet, Port is shitting in the backers mouths and calling it a sundae. 'When the backers say its done'? You do a final wipe and this game is fully launched, end of story. From that point on, you are just patching, no different than every other mmo in existence. So, they are removing the 'When the backers say its done' but because they aren't saying its its a live release, the backers continue to believe that they are actually in control of the release of the project. This is really something. |
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Post by Caliya on Dec 19, 2015 22:39:04 GMT
Oh yes, titsup, oh yes. That's the way it hit me too. I didn't want to say sleazy scam but honestly? That's how it reads. |
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Post by chodekiller on Dec 19, 2015 22:50:34 GMT
This is because the game is already launched. SotA is running as a profitable business right here and now for as long as it can due to all the costs that were cut in the past year including staffing, office and server costs. This is why the Q1 Schedule update is effectively shit or get off the pot with jack shit for new features/content or single player work: www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/q1-2016-schedule-update.42479/ |
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Post by Caliya on Dec 19, 2015 23:00:27 GMT
Ya, they've effectively said, f* you, you aren't getting a feature complete game because we're going live, baby.
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Post by jackjack on Dec 19, 2015 23:02:32 GMT
That thread has gotten predictably disturbing.
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Post by titsup on Dec 19, 2015 23:02:42 GMT
I wouldn't say scam. I'd just say its actually super slick PR. The majority of the active crowd there never holds them accountable because the game is in a pre-release state. The solution to the Steam problem is make beta now, release the game, but continue to call it pre-release. Easy peezy. I would be shocked if this is anything but lauded over there. I suspect it will simply be celebrated for announcing an impending final wipe.
This simply reminds me of a sleezy used car salesman. They are those guys you just can't pin down to anything solid, ready to argue semantics and what the definition of is is. The folks will lap it the fuck up.
Before I look like I'm just ripping into them here, I want to be clear that this game needs god damn polish, but it also needs to be a game. My problem here is effectively announcing beta without saying its beta. When you say you have moved from adding features to polish and whatnot, you are saying yourself you are entering the beta you yourself had previousl defined. How long have we heard that pre-alpha and alpha is for adding systems and that beta for for polishing and balancing. Now, they say they are polishing and balancing and then final wiping and adding single player offline featuers (which they've always said would be added at the last stage of develpoment) yet they aren't calling it alpha or beta yet?
I think the way they are portraying it is deceptive and manipulative. If you are going to release your game and patch later, then say it. Be honest with your playerbase. Or maybe a company shouldn't make promises like finishing when the players say its ready when it knows full well that they cannot be in perpetual development.
Its bizarre, sad, and deserves ridicule that it will never receive.
"Thanks so much Portalarium! You guys are doing great! We'll tell you when its done after you polish and balance and implement single player and the servers go live! We'll be sure to let you know and let hte world know when its fair to judge this game!"
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Post by titsup on Dec 19, 2015 23:03:37 GMT
That thread has gotten predictably disturbing. I can't even bare to read it honestly. |
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Post by Caliya on Dec 19, 2015 23:05:29 GMT
the way they are portraying it is deceptive and manipulative. Yes, and exactly why I said scam. |
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Post by Caliya on Dec 19, 2015 23:13:33 GMT
It even has Katrina Bekers confused.
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Post by titsup on Dec 19, 2015 23:20:50 GMT
Port, good luck answering that question without doublespeak!
I cannot believe Bekers asked a question that might elicit a response that people would react to negatively.
Maybe I don't give these people enough credit, maybe they all have lines. We'll see though!
Edit: Ooop, nevermind my mistake. That's Bubonic that asked that and makes more sense. I mistakenly thought that quote was Bekers and I would have been beyond shocked.
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Post by Caliya on Dec 19, 2015 23:30:17 GMT
I think it's called, "Let's cut our losses and run! Run, Forrest, run!"  |
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Post by titsup on Dec 19, 2015 23:38:19 GMT
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Post by Caliya on Dec 20, 2015 0:17:41 GMT
lmao
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Post by titsup on Dec 20, 2015 0:37:47 GMT
Cross posting my post from there: There is a thread on the Steam forums where Chris responded to a question about future wipes with there being at most another 2-3 wipes. Given that wipes are roughly every 3 months, that lines up pretty well with their original statement that they are referring to a final wipe and not simply a final pre-alpha wipe. Here, from November 21: steamcommunity.com/app/326160/discussions/#p2Quote from Chris You'll notice even then, both smack and bekers were asking for clarification and received no response. Bekers smack |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 20, 2015 3:00:31 GMT
I smell consumables coming to the add-on store, and coming quickly. They couldn't very well sell consumables with future wipes holding over peoples heads.
This is going to be very interesting.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 6, 2016 4:38:47 GMT
Approximately how long will this game be in Early Access?
“We hope to reach Beta by mid 2016 and launch shortly after that but we will not be launching until the product is ready.”
Thank you Ice Queen on SotA forum for that.
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Post by dodgy on Jan 6, 2016 6:13:45 GMT
Firelotus has started her old tricks on the steam forums too.
I thoroughly enjoy reading them.
In Steam everyone can hear you scream. Bring your SOTA forum rules there and watch the money dry up
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 6, 2016 6:16:58 GMT
Firelotus has started her old tricks on the steam forums too. I thoroughly enjoy reading them. In Steam everyone can hear you scream. Bring your SOTA forum rules there and watch the money dry up Dallas and Starr are to blame. |
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Post by dodgy on Jan 6, 2016 6:18:56 GMT
Firelotus has started her old tricks on the steam forums too. I thoroughly enjoy reading them. In Steam everyone can hear you scream. Bring your SOTA forum rules there and watch the money dry up Dallas and Starr are to blame. Ms. Beckers does a good job at shooting people down too As well as Mr Bancroft Their shit dont fly in the wider world Go back to your little cesspool |
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Post by dodgy on Jan 6, 2016 6:23:35 GMT
[IW2MG] FireFox Bancroft has Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues 1 Jan @ 4:08pm You are a shining example of someone who didn't read the disclaimer on the store page. Congratulations. [IW2MG] FireFox Bancroft has Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues 1 Jan @ 9:21pm I am no whale by any stretch. I've only endoresed maybe a little over $200 into Shroud. You're making some very broad assumptions if you think I'm a investment Whale. By the way fanboi is an insult. That's your first and last warning. Katrina Bekers has Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues 1 Jan @ 11:23pm Since you seem to know the future, what about some lotto numbers? C'mon, what do you lose in predicting some sport results or lottery extraction? As a prophet, it ought to be very easy. Katrina Bekers has Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues 3 Jan @ 6:20am Originally posted by Kamoba: And for others it is little to nothing... This is both part of the problem and part of the solution for the OP frustration. The demographics of this "game" (or, as I love to call it, "ongoing development effort") are totally skewed toward an older, slower, invariably more established and thus richer player base. People not very worried to plop 100's of $ into helping old pals (RG & SL) continuing the coding of this toy, while enjoying a smoke and a drink by the campfire, or fishing at the docks in the pale moonlight, or rocking their chair by the porch in the mild spring breeze. People not hurrying to get their wrinkly hands on the latest and greatest right here right now, who learned the value of patience. And probably started gaming when the only conceivable interface was text lines in answer for text commands. People not exactly enthralled by the idea of hordes of screaming kids stomping on their virtual lawns, the kinds of gamers found in the CODs, FIFAs and WOWs of the world. People who would prefer massive riddles and brain squeezing complexity, to instant and constant gratification and twitchy gameplay. People, to sum it up, who would answer this way to a survey: www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/ok-what-is-your-age-looking-for-demographic-of-average-forum-user.43163/Kamoba 1 Jan @ 6:50am Originally posted by Comfy Pepe: Originally posted by snotub: It is like one giant bizarre LARPing cult. Oh god, this is definitely the most accurate definition. Thanks for pointing that out. Considering I make leather armour for LARPers, I imagine I'll get along just fine when I commit to a purchase then.  |
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Post by dodgy on Jan 6, 2016 6:25:44 GMT
Im pretty sure Isaiah is manic. Check this delicious morsel out
Isaiah has Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues 8 hours ago
Why this game may be for you:
Why this game may be for you:
If you are stuck in a rut, or are tired of living life the same old way with ups and downs without anything new, and possibly dissatisfied with the same old games, world politics, wars, depression, and fear, with no meaning that you have been able to fully grasp… then I genuinely suggest this game is for you. If you are already seeking answers and have experienced a freedom of thought and expression, this game is definitely for you.
Keep in mind I am not making the claim that this game is going to save your soul, but I guarantee from what I know of the creator, this story will cause you to imagine, and it is going to have a POSITIVE philosophical message with what I believe proceeds from the intention for us to discover, inspect/evaluate, and explore inside ourselves.
What the quest of the avatar is will surprise you when you discover who or what that really is. If someone told you, you wouldn't believe it, but if you discover the answer "yourself" you will no longer have to believe you will know.
A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom.
Bob Dylan
CHEERS!
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 6, 2016 6:37:27 GMT
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Post by dodgy on Jan 6, 2016 6:40:56 GMT
Why do that? Why make me feel bad dammit! I didnt mean it like real I meant he flips and flops. he had a positive sota review then changed to negative, done weird shit on the forums then posts this ball gargling post on steam bout how awesome it is. Whats the word then? Flippant? Indecisive? |
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jan 6, 2016 6:53:10 GMT
Haha, don't feel bad.
I'm not that great with the english language as you can all see so, I would have to say... Uninformed or volatile, maybe both!
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