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Post by bblackstone on Dec 5, 2015 20:03:53 GMT
Edit: Anger turned into negativity. Just isn't worth it.
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Post by titsup on Dec 5, 2015 20:58:29 GMT
I appreciate your honesty and applaud you coming forward with this information.
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Post by calico on Dec 5, 2015 21:49:44 GMT
This is exactly it.
If you aren't friends with the dev team or spend a lot off cash(sorry blackstone but you did get a lot more then the rest of us, rightfully or not is debateable, since you did spend the money).
If you were part of that inner circle you never would be unless they let you in. You say something any of them don't like and boom you are blacklisted and well on your way to a ban. As I can attest.
The absolute truth is we are paying for a game for a select few where we can adventure in their world.
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Post by bblackstone on Dec 5, 2015 21:53:37 GMT
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Post by nemolives on Dec 5, 2015 21:55:02 GMT
That line about terrain not being over terrain; that's interesting because I noticed months ago that the Cave systems never loop over themselves. You got open rooms with floors, but never a tunnel that went above or below another tunnel. I wonder if this hints about the reason why, they can't get the engine to do that? And as the map sizes are so small, we ended up with these really pathetic zones with just a few rooms in...
Anyway, welcome to the ranks of the disgruntled. We all have different ideas for why the game has disappointed us, and I do agree with you on that the starting blocks should have been at least equal, but it's sad the game isn't pleasing any of us at either extreme of the funding level. I really do think, like you, that it's just going to be a game for a tiny clique now.
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Post by calico on Dec 5, 2015 22:03:02 GMT
This is exactly it. If you aren't friends with the dev team or spend a lot off cash(sorry blackstone but you did get a lot more then the rest of us, rightfully or not is debateable, since you did spend the money). If you were part of that inner circle you never would be unless they let you in. You say something any of them don't like and boom you are blacklisted and well on your way to a ban. As I can attest. The absolute truth is we are paying for a game for a select few where we can adventure in their world. Last thing I want is to argue(believe me on that, lol), but what did I get? You and a select few others got to be in on the whole development of the PoT's which the rest of us had no say on and had to accept...not one of you stopped and said hey, how will people react to this or do these rules that are in place make sense to the rest of the game. I get you didn't get a lot for your money, that I can agree on...though they did try and manage it like you did. I don't think you got as much as the guilds you mentioned but I didn't hear you complaining about any of the major issues with PoT's even when it was brought up. I'm pretty sure you sided with the whales in a few prominent anti PoT threads.
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Post by dewderonomy on Dec 5, 2015 22:07:39 GMT
Last thing I want is to argue(believe me on that, lol), but what did I get? A response from the devs.
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Post by bblackstone on Dec 5, 2015 22:17:58 GMT
Last thing I want is to argue(believe me on that, lol), but what did I get? You and a select few others got to be in on the whole development of the PoT's which the rest of us had no say on and had to accept...not one of you stopped and said hey, how will people react to this or do these rules that are in place make sense to the rest of the game. I get you didn't get a lot for your money, that I can agree on...though they did try and manage it like you did. I don't think you got as much as the guilds you mentioned but I didn't hear you complaining about any of the major issues with PoT's even when it was brought up. I'm pretty sure you sided with the whales in a few prominent anti PoT threads. I didn't get involved in SotA until after POTs were in. Not sure how they really came about. Doesn't really matter at this point. Not sure why I asked.
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Post by Caliya on Dec 5, 2015 23:38:33 GMT
Blake, I'm glad you have lent credence to what most of us here strongly suspected or experienced, that the amount of favoritism is overwhelming and the rest of us don't matter. And sorry you had to experience it firsthand.
I saw people sucking up to PAX, just to get in their favor and live in their town. Fake, manipulative people that I wanted no part of knowing.
People here will grill you about why you bought a POT to start, or sided with other whales. I don't really care about that. You've discovered the issues for yourself and have been burnt. Unfortunately burnt for a heckuva lot more money than us.
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Post by chodekiller on Dec 6, 2015 0:50:06 GMT
There has been no doubt for a long time that Richard Garriot is a lying and scamming piece of shit. He pays himself far more than anyone else on the dev team with crowdfunding $$$ while he does jack shit for the actual game. The development team is in Austin with dumbfucks like Chris Spears making actual decisions for the game while Garriot is in New York only "working" part time just playing the game. It was a fucking joke since the end of Kickstarter when Garriott realized he wasnt going to get Star Citizen money and pawned the game off to the recently fired Starr Long. Sota is pure shit, made by a shitty staff of has-beens, scam artists and dopes from the local community college making chump change.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 6, 2015 12:55:23 GMT
He pays himself far more than anyone else on the dev team with crowdfunding $$$ I kind of wish RG would publish his salary from Portalarium to put this to bed, I mean I don't think a lot of people think this, I dont, but it would be nice to kind of get past it once and for all so that you and we can move on to better more interesting topics.
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Post by Sicherdraht on Dec 7, 2015 10:04:57 GMT
News Flash: Cleaning Service "We Broom Em" Found Within the dark depths of the New York Explorers Club Basement, Richard Garriott drunken, disheveled and otherwise piss stinking, and utterly smashed out of his goard. After removing this meat pile of human waist dripping wreckage, to the cobble stone streets above. Richard was heard to be whining much as a young school girl seeking her daddy's attention, that he had been roughed up, eye poked and dry looted of his Gold coin bags to his silky, fairy imprinted panties, he wasn't happy being someones attrition. This then invoked a tear of sympathy from a passer by to extend a small amount of tear tissue for Richard's many and sorted issues and excesses. The witness of good standing then told Richard to move along before he got hurt again and kicked in the ass to boot! Go'ith and never return. Yelling "If you want to complain, create something that works first!" and "Go find some clothes Bro, don't you have any Shame?" Richard de Cayeux was never seen again. Although his stink was often reported being smelled from one time or another reaking through the streets. Concluding that it must be, his residual. Welcome to the New Britannia, now go home. This isn't the Ultima you were looking for. You shouldn't be with Us. Hail Armée de l'air ! Give them Deathblows ! Lafayette Escadrille.
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Post by Caliya on Dec 7, 2015 14:22:01 GMT
Phooey that you deleted it, Blake. But rest assured, IM probably has it backed up somewhere. lol
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 7, 2015 14:51:40 GMT
Phooey that you deleted it, Blake. But rest assured, IM probably has it backed up somewhere. lol
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Post by fossil on Dec 7, 2015 16:27:31 GMT
I may not be in the circle jerk, but I still get to watch
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Post by Sicherdraht on Dec 8, 2015 10:36:04 GMT
Phooey that you deleted it, Blake. But rest assured, IM probably has it backed up somewhere. lol Oh, totally agree Mi'Lady. Blake should feel free to come here and whistle Dixie any time he wishes. While we are all different as night and day, common interest is Forsaken Virtues, and yes, Blake its' a sad thing to be mostly Negative. If its' all Good and Great, then that's boring, although we all know is untrue, with a 90 day guarantee. Pony up the real story Blake, your stock will become golden here.
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Post by chodekiller on Dec 11, 2015 1:31:47 GMT
A point that Blake brought up that is very true. The game has already launched. The business model is already going for SotA to operate as a for profit venture instead of reinvesting crowdfunding dollars into the development and release of the game. That's why you have a $7.8 million dollar game that is 2+ years late with no "release" in sight and plays like shit. This is also why people like richard garriot, starr long, chris spears, dallas snell etc are paying themselves full salary and profit % instead of really using that money for pure development. That is the scam, that is the dupe that more and more high level backers are realizing.
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Post by dodgy on Dec 11, 2015 1:38:03 GMT
A point that Blake brought up that is very true. The game has already launched. The business model is already going for SotA to operate as a for profit venture instead of reinvesting crowdfunding dollars into the development and release of the game. That's why you have a $7.8 million dollar game that is 2+ years late with no "release" in sight and plays like shit. This is also why people like richard garriot, starr long, chris spears, dallas snell etc are paying themselves full salary and profit % instead of really using that money for pure development. That is the scam, that is the dupe that more and more high level backers are realizing. Yep this is the game. It's successful. Ultimate Collector : A test to see how much money people will throw into a non existent game
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 11, 2015 2:09:17 GMT
A point that Blake brought up that is very true. The game has already launched. The business model is already going for SotA to operate as a for profit venture instead of reinvesting crowdfunding dollars into the development and release of the game. That's why you have a $7.8 million dollar game that is 2+ years late with no "release" in sight and plays like shit. This is also why people like richard garriot, starr long, chris spears, dallas snell etc are paying themselves full salary and profit % instead of really using that money for pure development. That is the scam, that is the dupe that more and more high level backers are realizing. I still wanna see those tax returns.
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Post by Caliya on Dec 11, 2015 10:16:54 GMT
A point that Blake brought up that is very true. The game has already launched. The business model is already going for SotA to operate as a for profit venture instead of reinvesting crowdfunding dollars into the development and release of the game. That's why you have a $7.8 million dollar game that is 2+ years late with no "release" in sight and plays like shit. This is also why people like richard garriot, starr long, chris spears, dallas snell etc are paying themselves full salary and profit % instead of really using that money for pure development. That is the scam, that is the dupe that more and more high level backers are realizing. I know you really believe that. And it's easy to demonize something that's not right. But unless you give us information on how you arrived at these opinions (they are not facts), it makes our community come off as foil hat conspiracy theorists. Now, I have speculated a lot, and so have others. Nothing wrong with speculation. It's sometimes used to soothe ourselves into believing we made the right decision - whether for or against something. But in reality, I've been really disappointed this hasn't gone the way I expected from the KS claims. That can't be disputed, that the KS goals have not been reached, least of all the original 2014 release date.
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Post by dodgy on Dec 11, 2015 17:27:01 GMT
A point that Blake brought up that is very true. The game has already launched. The business model is already going for SotA to operate as a for profit venture instead of reinvesting crowdfunding dollars into the development and release of the game. That's why you have a $7.8 million dollar game that is 2+ years late with no "release" in sight and plays like shit. This is also why people like richard garriot, starr long, chris spears, dallas snell etc are paying themselves full salary and profit % instead of really using that money for pure development. That is the scam, that is the dupe that more and more high level backers are realizing. I know you really believe that. And it's easy to demonize something that's not right. But unless you give us information on how you arrived at these opinions (they are not facts), it makes our community come off as foil hat conspiracy theorists. Now, I have speculated a lot, and so have others. Nothing wrong with speculation. It's sometimes used to soothe ourselves into believing we made the right decision - whether for or against something. But in reality, I've been really disappointed this hasn't gone the way I expected from the KS claims. That can't be disputed, that the KS goals have not been reached, least of all the original 2014 release date. There is no way that money raised has gone to developing this game or maintenence of servers It's nearly 8mil now plus what infrastructure they had already plus unity license. I mean come on. This isn't 8 million worth of development
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Post by Joviex on Dec 11, 2015 21:28:39 GMT
Yeah I gotta agree.
Sorry, running the numbers on napkins and, I admit, napkins, but holy, wholly shit.
At this point even 5 mill for what you have is a rediculous sum of money, for little output honestly.
I am sure they sure as hell have spent it all, but just mismanged it and pissed it away.
I have no clue if that is all Dallas, or if the trio make the hard money choices, but it is obviously mishandled to the point of them having to continually scramble to make more money generating bullshit to keep making the game to keep making....
I think I already had a post about this.
Its simply mis-management ALL AROUND.
This IS a perfect project 0-- a perfect Exemplar -- almost EXACTLY what they promised everyone, even if they DIDNT buy into the developer level.
You just got to see how NOT TO RUN A BUSINESS live, in living color.
I hope everyone was watching, and paying close attention to the details:
* Ignoring, thumping on the hand, then sending to the principal, your strong supporters * Flat out refusing to work with anyone in terms of third party help, until it is in the rears, then ignore all that anyway * hire community facing people who are ridiculously under qualified for any idea of what it means to run a community * let your funders RUN THE SHOW -- even though you told us publishers suck because they want to control the project -- CAUSE MONEY -- WTF ARE WHALES THEN?!? * how NOT to present yourself when talking to other members of your community i.e. dont lie to other developers at conferences and expect no Joviex harpoon * and we are coming around the corner to steam and what failures that will entail with this glorious production team * and we are coming around the corner to launch and what failures that will entail with this glorious production team
just some samples.
Enjoy.
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Post by titsup on Dec 11, 2015 22:02:17 GMT
I disagree, I think it has either been spent or is projected to be spent. I just think the incompetence Jov mentioned is where the money went, not a nefarious plot. 38 Studios pissed through way way more money over a similar amount of time. People asked the same questions there, was Schilling a crook who used his name to enrich himself? Turns out no, he just wasn't good at his job and hired a lot of the wrong people in the top levels of the company. Wasteful spending, trying to recover when you know things are going wrong with a team that isn't equipped to fix their own mess compounds issues and costs balloon.
Broken Age crowd funded at 3.3 million (double fine says that the game ccost quite a bit more to actually make) and they are asking the same for Psychonauts 2. Those games aren't attempting insane feats like the mmo/single player hybrid and whatnot.
We've all got out theories though. Mine is no better than the rest. I just chalk the whole thing up to inexperience and incompetence.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 12, 2015 4:19:09 GMT
* how NOT to present yourself when talking to other members of your community i.e. dont lie to other developers at conferences and expect no Joviex harpoon Fucking love the Joviex harpoon. It should be an in-game item. You seeing this Envy? Next suggestion kplsthx.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 12, 2015 4:21:32 GMT
We've all got out theories though. Mine is no better than the rest. I just chalk the whole thing up to inexperience and incompetence. Yes, those two things are seemingly at the core here. Unless there is just some maverick master plan that we all can't see cos we're nubs. It is funny on the inexperience also, they are always mentioning their combined game creation experience. What SotA really needed, was Warren Spector.
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Post by chodekiller on Dec 12, 2015 6:43:53 GMT
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Post by jackjack on Dec 12, 2015 6:55:44 GMT
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 12, 2015 7:17:01 GMT
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Post by grimgryphon on Dec 12, 2015 8:03:16 GMT
* how NOT to present yourself when talking to other members of your community i.e. dont lie to other developers at conferences and expect no Joviex harpoon Fucking love the Joviex harpoon. It should be an in-game item. You seeing this Envy? Next suggestion kplsthx. Which Envy? The real Envy? The fake envy? The fake Envy pretending to be the real Envy? The real Envy pretending to be the fake Envy pretending to be the real Envy? The fak.......oh never mind.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Dec 12, 2015 8:05:10 GMT
Fucking love the Joviex harpoon. It should be an in-game item. You seeing this Envy? Next suggestion kplsthx. Which Envy? The real Envy? The fake envy? The fake Envy pretending to be the real Envy? The real Envy pretending to be the fake Envy pretending to be the real Envy? The fak.......oh never mind.
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