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Sept 27, 2015 16:11:18 GMT
Post by dodgy on Sept 27, 2015 16:11:18 GMT
Nice try - try to insult a person on lack of information. Is it the only excuse you have to treat me that way? To hope I'm fat to justify your disdain for women? Your attitude reminds me of men who force women to wear burkas. Because we all know, women's minds can't be credited with anything, and better hide the way they look lest they tempt you. I think if every woman who wears a burka would join forces, remove their burkas and bind the men who forced them to wear it, there may be hope for change in how men treat and view women. Women should not take it anymore. The same for every Miley Cyrus, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, and the like - for all those women that spread their legs and dance half naked, to entice men to buy their music - if they would all start wearing clothes to their necks and see if their music stands on its own, they will have stopped catering to men. And the more men rally to see women unclothed, the more women would clothe themselves, then men would see we have power. But as long as women subjugate themselves to the will of men, there is no hope for equality or to be seen as having minds and talents. You are a dinosaur, dodgy. Your views of women, fat or not, are antiquated and hold no weight in the world of women. You are the kind of man that women, that have brains and self worth, avoid. While I lived in Seattle years ago, I frequented a Korean spa for women only - mostly only us white women attended. We bathed in all different temperatures of waters and saunas, naked. Every woman who came there was beautiful to me. Fat, skinny, scarred, short, tall, etc. It was striking to me that the fatter women did not seem self conscious, and I was impressed by that. I admired them. All this is a very long way to say, if I cease coming to this forum because it's dying, it's not because of comments like yours. I feel sorry for men like you, because your time and ideas are numbered. Women will rise and not take your shit anymore. I certainly don't. FFS Cal stop making everything about you. I was not referring to you being fat or not and it wasnt an attempt to be derogatory to you or anyone else. You seriously need to lighten up and stop taking everything as a shot at you.
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Sept 27, 2015 18:45:05 GMT
Post by Mordecai on Sept 27, 2015 18:45:05 GMT
Now that that's over, maybe there is a discussion to be had here. At the very least, there are a few points to be mentioned.
1. Burkas are religious garments worn by some Islamic woman. The implication that woman are viewed as beneath men because of this is contentious at best.
2. However, if they were to tear off their burkas and let their sexual expressiveness out, they'd be a lot like Spears, Cyrus, and Anderson.
3. The trend of innocent little girl-TV-stars turning into wild loose women is not a coincidence, and is certainly not the decision of the girl. For better or worse, there are anglo men in suits making these decisions. People like Cyrus aren't half as crazy as they're paid to act.
4. The problem with how these women act isn't in the fact that they're half naked. Nakedness isn't bad in itself, and can even be a good thing for establishing sexual freedom and expression. The problem is in the message behind their near-nakedness (that message being, "you have no brain- be a slut").
5. Dodgy is a snail. Whether or not he is a snail of prehistoric origins is unknown.
6. Sexist joke about all-female spa.
7. Feminism is a dangerously political word to throw around, but what do you all think about feminist philosophy, which centers around ideals of compassion and non-aggression? This is kind of side-tracking the thread, but draco hasn't been on in a minute anyway.
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Caliya
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Sept 27, 2015 21:37:11 GMT
Post by Caliya on Sept 27, 2015 21:37:11 GMT
Burkas are not too much different than Catholic nuns attire. They both have religious common roots. Those roots were established by men interpreting the word of God and claiming women should be subjugated to men. It's to hide the sin of women. But it's also to hide women from men and how they tempt men. Which is BS. Men should take responsibility for their sexual behavior, not blame women. There was a time that rape was not a crime. It's still that way in many countries.
I do not think taking off a burka means being completely opposite and nearly naked.
Anglo men in suits make music decisions, which is why I don't listen to mainstream music. They don't do this only to women but also young men. But not all young musicians take the bait. It comes down to making money, not producing valuable music.
I do not believe that women achieve sexual freedom by becoming nearly naked. I don't believe women need men to define if they are free to have sex or not, regardless of how they dress.
Are there movements for men that entail compassion and non-aggression? I don't want to act like a man to be equal, because that would mean I'm only mimicking something I disdain. I think a woman's true power is in enforcing her rights to be taken seriously, regardless of how she appears outwardly. A woman should have the right to say how she wants to birth her babies, feed her children (not some male artificial baby formula production corporation), not have children and have access to birth control, abortion when there is no way out, make money, have sex, be treated with respect, not battered by men as if she is his punching bag, and many other things.
All these fucked up white male conservatives making laws for women should stop. And the women who hide behind these men need to grow some brains and self respect.
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Sept 27, 2015 23:47:25 GMT
Post by Mordecai on Sept 27, 2015 23:47:25 GMT
Burkas are not too much different than Catholic nuns attire. They both have religious common roots. I'm just pointing out that you should be cautious when throwing religion into the mix. I do not believe that women achieve sexual freedom by becoming nearly naked. I don't believe women need men to define if they are free to have sex or not, regardless of how they dress. I merely suggest that people (let's forget gender and sex for a moment), were created naked, and that some may be able to find some measure of satisfaction in being naked, not for an audience or pop-music show, but on their own terms. Are there movements for men that entail compassion and non-aggression? Have you not heard of feminist philosophy? Don't let the prefix "fem" or the implications of the feminist social movement fool you. Feminist philosophy is not exclusive to gender or sex. All these fucked up white male conservatives making laws for women should stop. And the women who hide behind these men need to grow some brains and self respect. You must be a Trump fan? I'm going to go make a political thread for us to talk about abortion in. brb
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Sept 28, 2015 2:41:28 GMT
Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Sept 28, 2015 2:41:28 GMT
Haha oh damn, here comes another warning to me from the proboards staff, I can feel it
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Sept 28, 2015 3:30:18 GMT
Post by dodgy on Sept 28, 2015 3:30:18 GMT
I think people claim Feminism without acknowledging the roots of the movement. There are not white men in suits dictating to JUST women. You are confusing the top elite with an overarching conspiracy of the put down of women. Feminism should be about equality which the vast majority of people have no objection to and can be seen of the progression of women rates from the 1800 to what we have now. What we have now is a rabid attack on society and systems which has increased the divorce rate (women are just as promiscuous as women and with the avenues of income available to a woman they can be financially better off being divorced and forcing the custody issue of the children), break down of the family unit, deprivation of children from their fathers and abuse of a welfare system that was designed originally to protect women in the event of being widowed, spousal abuse or a man walking out.
The myth of domestic abuse being a male monopolised past time is also a lie fabricated by the rabid modern day feminist. Feminism is no longer about equality, its about control and the put down of manhood.
We are biologically different. These are things that all the good intentions in the world cannot over come. As a father of two little girls I focus on them being happy and a healthy respect for themselves not that men are out there to put her in a kitchen. Also the feminist argument of today cheapens the amazing work it takes to manage a house hold. There needs to be gender roles in a family unit but they dont need to align themselves along gender. You still need a nurturer and the person to run the house whilst the other partner provides the income. Its is a thousandfold more healthy for those involved. To say women earn less then men is again a distortion of statistics to suit the femnazis.
As for the Burka it shows a grave disrespect to a culture that I am assuming you have had little to do with. I have spent alot of time in the Middle East and I do not find the culture backwards at all. It is linked to socio economic principals exactly the same as here in the West. To sum it up as suppression of women is a convenient simplification.
Ultimately both men and women are eating a shit sandwich due to the 1% and economic principals of our society.
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Sept 28, 2015 3:34:56 GMT
Post by dodgy on Sept 28, 2015 3:34:56 GMT
Also I am a dinosaur. I work and pay ALL the bills in the house, I pay the mortgage, I provide private healthcare whilst my partner stays home with our child. When we go out I pay for the meals. In return she cooks and cleans. I come home to a nice home and a cooked meal. She gets to hang out the beach with her friends, she is free to do what she wants in the day. She also works part time and I dont see a single cent of her income. I dont want to have a partner who has a stressful time consuming career. I do like to spend time with the person I love, not come home and argue, not fight over who's turn it is to cook/clean/insert domestic chore. If my partner earnt the income I earn or got offered a job that paid more I would happily give up my job and become a trophy husband.
If that makes me a prick then fine. I think Im doing alright.
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Sept 28, 2015 4:07:43 GMT
Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Sept 28, 2015 4:07:43 GMT
If you are both truly happy, then everyone else can just get fucked really
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Sept 28, 2015 6:32:45 GMT
Post by Sicherdraht on Sept 28, 2015 6:32:45 GMT
The role a man plays in a relationship with a woman of course will vary and with a family mostly the man protects and the woman will nurture, but again these rolls can swap out. Most important the two paring rolls compliment one another.
In my travels, the most prominent doctor, Basil Greenwood, concluded and proved with great accuracy, year 2244. That for a few days during the woman's menstrual cycle, a woman can behave exactly the way a man does all the time.
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Sept 28, 2015 9:48:33 GMT
Post by Caliya on Sept 28, 2015 9:48:33 GMT
The term "Feminazi" reminds me of Rush Limbaugh, who should never have been allowed to have a radio program. He, and people like him, are as toxic as it gets, especially towards women.
True feminism to me, is to do the best in whatever role you find yourself and be valued for that role - whether it is a stay at home mother/father or making money outside the home.
Sorry IM if this flags on the ProBoards. It was not my intent.
I feel the same way towards any woman who is forced to cover herself or be punished. Some may say they do it willingly, for religious or relationship harmony. But it's pure conditioning of what is "right." Because when it comes down to it, either the majority of the world's women are doomed to hell because they don't wear something, or they are "saved."
I don't buy it. As if some almighty creator is watching with an evil eye what women all over the world put on, or do with, their bodies. It's all utter nonsense.
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Post by Caliya on Sept 28, 2015 11:01:35 GMT
You must be a Trump fan? Surely I know you're kidding. Trump can kiss my white a$$ In case there's any mistake of how I feel about him. I think Elizabeth Warren should run for President.
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