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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 9, 2015 10:23:13 GMT
Most of us here know about this already. This is a place for people who read and are referred from the blog article to come and say anything if they wish.
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Post by grimgryphon on Aug 9, 2015 20:08:39 GMT
No one answered my question: "Do you have insider information? Did they hire a new staff member solely to work on POTs? They made enough money to do it. Did they?" Cartodude gave an evasive reply but did not answer the question. He said, "Yes, I have the same insider info that you have and are making claims about... though I seem to actually go and look at the standup corner to see the work being done. But Duchess Wyldemane is right this is beating a dead horse .... all of these arguments were made pages ago." The dead horse and arguments "ages ago" were trolling and not an answer. In looking at Standup Corner, there is no way in hell to ascertain how many people or hours were spent on POTs. He claimed it was one full time staffer "POT's are being paid for to fund a staffer". Note: The guys listed below were only if POT was specifically mentioned. I'm certain there are other elements worked on that have not been mentioned. We simply don't know who worked on which systems and how much time it took. In compiling this list, I did not expect to be blown away by how many people were actually working on POTs. It's far more, and worse than I suspected. POTs seem to be the most effective ball of yarn to detract the kittens from the fact that they have no litterbox. gg Port.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 9, 2015 20:17:17 GMT
That's a really good way to put it
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 10, 2015 1:14:25 GMT
POTs seem to be the most effective ball of yarn to detract the kittens from the fact that they have no litterbox. gg Port. But they do! THey have their houses. They have their POTs, though some of the POTs were put on an island and the Whales can't swim from the mainland to the islands to get to them hahaha That is most of the issue, kittens are actually getting stuff they want and have access to the content already. Meaningful PvP, player progression, SP game, companions, dev assets I pledged for? Fuck you, move aside for POTs.
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Post by Duchess Wyldemane on Aug 10, 2015 2:24:03 GMT
I'm famous! And I appear to be right in the middle of all the action. Wow. That chart is a real keeper :-) /saved
I also have to say that the Illuminati symbol is quite remarkable in that you're taking a *game* and denoting some kind of One World Government theme to it. Just wanted you to know that I'll be keeping my all seeing eye on you...LOL!
Now see? THIS is trolling. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Telling Caliya to stop beating a dead horse with a funny picture, after 17 pages and her views duly noted any number of times, is not. I guess she didn't find it all that funny? /chuckle. Maybe one day you'll be able to buy a sense of humor from the addon store! Oops, that was trolling too. /not sorry either
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Post by Housewife British on Aug 10, 2015 3:03:25 GMT
I think POTS are one huge reason why we have such an underdeveloped, undetailed game that is taking forever to produce. We as backers paid for a game to be created, than on behalf of the fanboy casuals the development team figured out they can bank even more money by selling POTS. POTS obviously isn't what backers paid for in the original description. Mow quite a few developers are pulled off of creating the game itself and put onto working on these POTS just to bank money. That wouldn't be to bad of an idea if they had hired more staff, or had a larger team from the start, but as it is now I'm sure important people are getting pulled from game development for these POTS. The dumbest thing about this is that POTS were never needed, yet they compromised development just to make more money. They could of just made these clowns that like to play dress up live in the normal towns like it was planned and we probably would have a way better game than what shroud has become now. Let's all keep in mind to that this game is as low budget as it gets, cutting corners everywhere, lazy cockhorders thinking of the easy route for everything, they never needed the extra money for POTS because it obviously isn't going into the game or the original idea of what shroud was to be.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 3:15:04 GMT
You have said only one person is developing POTs. lmao And now you have the list. Proves you didn't know crap about it from the start. lol
Apparently the salaries and time expended of the top execs is going towards POTs instead of the core game, not just some "staffer," as you're all claiming. lol
Grow some brains.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 3:27:35 GMT
Duchess:
I told you "~120 towns" and you said, "How do you arrive at your numbers? How do you know this for a fact? Sounds like guesswork to me."
So I showed you where I got my numbers, from the Shroud team itself, and this was your ridiculous response:
"I actually do read the release notes, fancy that!"
Then why the HELL did you ask me where I got my numbers and accuse me of making them up? Because you couldn't admit you're wrong and refuse to listen to the truth. Everyone in that thread sees it even if they don't pick on you. You'll go crying to the mods if they do.
Then you say, "Maybe that *one* person working on PoTs can do that? But then again, maybe you'd still be unhappy that one person is working on PoTs?"
Really Wyld-hair-up-your-A? Is that why you needed to copy my list? The one that proves it's not one person like you said, proving you wrong? Proving they are putting in craptons of time making those towns, and yes your SKY?
"Michael Hutchison: Player Town skies & fog" Note: It does not say skies and fogs for Novia or other continents.
You want them to work on your little pet project that you invested "enough to buy a car" instead of the whole game for 50,000 paying customers. Self centered little twat.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 10, 2015 3:29:29 GMT
Telling Caliya to stop beating a dead horse with a funny picture, after 17 pages and her views duly noted any number of times, is not. I guess she didn't find it all that funny? /chuckle. Maybe one day you'll be able to buy a sense of humor from the addon store! Oops, that was trolling too. /not sorry either Except, herr Duchess, that is 100 percent against the Shroud of the Avatar forum rules as set forth by Portalarium and it doesn't matter what the other person is saying or thinking one damn bit. You and your band of Pax trolls got your pitchforks and went nuts. You Whales get a free ride, but we understand, you are throwing wads of money at them and they can't risk upsetting you by moderating a post in which you are trolling someone who isn't in full agreement with Portalarium. Is it of any wonder why people come over here after crap like that?
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Post by Housewife British on Aug 10, 2015 3:32:22 GMT
Anyone that possess any form of common sense knows that it would be quite the task for one person alone to create a full product of the POT system. It is doable but you would have to be a designer, coder, knowing how to do graphics, lighting, textures, mesh's, netowrking, also experienced unity store bidder, etc, All this in one person is not so effective, but yea I guess some people just really don't know how to think for themselves.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 3:37:11 GMT
Anyone that possess any form of common sense knows that it would be quite the task for one person alone to create a full product of the POT system. It is doable but you would have to be a designer, coder, knowing how to do graphics, lighting, textures, mesh's, netowrking, also experienced unity store bidder, etc, All this in one person is not so effective, but yea I guess some people just really don't know how to think for themselves. Both she and cartodude claimed it was one staffer who was paid from the funds they made from POTs. Yes, they are ignorant fools who troll and argue simply to get people chased out of the forums. We all know it. They know it. They split a gut over that they get away with it because the mods are part of their mob.
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Post by grimgryphon on Aug 10, 2015 3:42:28 GMT
I'm famous! And I appear to be right in the middle of all the action. Wow. That chart is a real keeper :-) /saved I also have to say that the Illuminati symbol is quite remarkable in that you're taking a *game* and denoting some kind of One World Government theme to it. Just wanted you to know that I'll be keeping my all seeing eye on you...LOL! Now see? THIS is trolling. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Telling Caliya to stop beating a dead horse with a funny picture, after 17 pages and her views duly noted any number of times, is not. I guess she didn't find it all that funny? /chuckle. Maybe one day you'll be able to buy a sense of humor from the addon store! Oops, that was trolling too. /not sorry either Huh, I thought I'd never smell your stench over here, you condescending bitch. It must be anything can happen day.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 10, 2015 3:46:41 GMT
I'm famous! And I appear to be right in the middle of all the action. Wow. That chart is a real keeper :-) /saved I also have to say that the Illuminati symbol is quite remarkable in that you're taking a *game* and denoting some kind of One World Government theme to it. Just wanted you to know that I'll be keeping my all seeing eye on you...LOL! Now see? THIS is trolling. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Telling Caliya to stop beating a dead horse with a funny picture, after 17 pages and her views duly noted any number of times, is not. I guess she didn't find it all that funny? /chuckle. Maybe one day you'll be able to buy a sense of humor from the addon store! Oops, that was trolling too. /not sorry either Huh, I thought I'd never smell your stench over here, you condescending bitch. It must be anything can happen day. You can do better than that grim Address the BS she actually says directly like I did, though I agree with you on the fact that it must be anything can happen day lulz. I know the desire to retaliate against these people is great, I feel it too, but if we do that then we actually just turn into them. Could there be anything worse than that??
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 3:57:25 GMT
Listen, IM, they call all their little clique and watchdogs over here because they can't resist seeing what we say. They lock our threads and throw wrenches in any sense of reasonable discussion.
After your comment about Drocis being the ring leader in trolling my post in that thread, he actually liked 2 of my posts over at Shroud today. Trying to prove he's not trolling? Who knows.
I wrote the post about how many people are working on POTs and do they admit they were wrong, and it really is a lot of time that maybe should be going into releasing a core developed game? No. And you ask us to direct our comments to what she says, when it's pure trolling with no actual content? How does that work?
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 10, 2015 4:06:57 GMT
Well, we can be crafty and much smarter than them. Look at how I replied, that is at the very core of SotA's issues, having these fucking Whales be able to buy Multiple POTs and get special treatment in all shapes and sizes for it. I was just thinking that it would be a better outcome if we out smart them and not out smashed them, making them look pretty ignorant and silly at the same time. I am certainly not defending those people, and if you would like to consider laying waste to them in form of raw smashing please be InsaneMembrane's guest
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 5:17:46 GMT
Here are the "topics" Wyld (she is certainly no Duchess by any stretch of the imagination) brought up.
1. She (wishes) she is famous 2. She (wishes) she was in the middle of the action 3. She is "saving" the chart I made 4. Some nonsensical comment about the Illuminati 5. Another nonsensical comment about One World Government 6. Admitted she was trolling twice (though the entire post was trolling) 7. She is glad she posted a dead horse (even though I noticed the mod did delete it lol)
The only thing she said that was on topic was that she saved my chart (in jest).
The thing I do know: they all read what we say. They can't ignore it even if they mock it. Ultimately, they are always pissed off at us, whereas I'm pissed off at Port for their design decisions, not to mention the kind of riff raff they attract.
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Post by Mordecai on Aug 10, 2015 13:05:40 GMT
Drocis avoids reading this forum as much as he can actually. He focuses his energy on his POT and his creative abilities.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 10, 2015 15:16:33 GMT
Come Drocis... You post so much over there, why not drop us a line
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Post by grimgryphon on Aug 10, 2015 15:50:28 GMT
Come Drocis... You post so much over there, why not drop us a line Yes Drocis, I'm mostly interested if you and Themo kissed and made up.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 21:33:40 GMT
They did, indeed, hire 3 new devs recently. The new devs for POTs and other design: Steve Zaldivar is working on POTs, but it's not the only thing he works on. Keith Quinn, another recent hire, is not working on POTs, at least not from July 22 until current. Jeff Mills is not listed as working on POTs in the article. www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?p=52441
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 21:42:33 GMT
Drocis avoids reading this forum as much as he can actually. He focuses his energy on his POT and his creative abilities. His "creative abilities?" Like slamming people in forums?
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Post by grimgryphon on Aug 10, 2015 22:21:09 GMT
Fire Lotus is running POT policy review? What is she going to do, ban player towns because they don't look "virtuous"?
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Post by Caliya on Aug 10, 2015 22:51:21 GMT
Naw, it's probably the legal obligations
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 11, 2015 0:58:44 GMT
Nice, I had no idea she had any law training! That should certainly stop the ponzi guys like BMC, PAX, Tantalus from exploiting any loopholes and running all of the housing for Portalarium.
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Post by Mordecai on Aug 11, 2015 2:19:36 GMT
Drocis avoids reading this forum as much as he can actually. He focuses his energy on his POT and his creative abilities. His "creative abilities?" Like slamming people in forums? Actually, he's been collaborating with a few bards of the Poets' Circle to create a custom music piece for his POT.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 11, 2015 2:28:14 GMT
Actually, he's been collaborating with a few bards of the Poets' Circle to create a custom music piece for his POT. I'm sure everyone we know, that we don't get along with, has some talents.
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Post by Mordecai on Aug 11, 2015 3:51:23 GMT
Actually, he's been collaborating with a few bards of the Poets' Circle to create a custom music piece for his POT. I'm sure everyone we know, that we don't get along with, has some talents. I agree wholeheartedly, except of course for all the useless untalented people that I don't get along with. There is no good :rolleyes: options so I'll just come out and say that I'm being sarcastic.
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Post by dewderonomy on Aug 11, 2015 4:10:45 GMT
They got some sweet picnic table top dancing moves.
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