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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 29, 2015 4:33:49 GMT
So. Would anyone care to afford a guess on how much in game gold it may take to buy a house in the future in SotA?
Houses are way less rare now due to Player Towns. Say what you want, but the mere creation of so many new lots and the fact that guilds will be Towning together creates less of a demand on NPC lots. I also don't see, that because a Player Town run by a complete Fuckviotard can just evacuate everyone at the drop of a hat, any valid reason to argue that Player Town lots don't detract from NPC lot rarity.
Water front lots are explicitly handed out to Founders. None for you slags if you didn't back as a founder, so fuck you. But the rest of the lots, anyone care to guess how much it will cost and what purchase process for lots will be?
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Post by Mordecai on Jul 30, 2015 18:26:38 GMT
I can't imagine what gold will be worth in game, or how that will change over time. I'd be more interested in how we're going to be able to buy houses.
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Post by titsup on Jul 30, 2015 20:46:47 GMT
I feel like this is going to be a huge point of contention for people. It is going to be incredibly difficult to arrive at a set cost for lots/structures from the beginning of the game that appeases both the people who have paid or will pay real money for virtual real estate and those who don't want to feel forced to spend to get it. How many PoTs are there? over 100? At a bare minimum, if they are all holdfast level and choose the fewest buildings, its adding 500 village lots and 100 castle lots into the market. That seems a massive addition to the amount of lots available in game. I counted 10 metropolis level PoTs in the PoT list thread, that's up to 1,400 village lots from must 10 PoTs. That is absolutely insane. They are either going to have to hire a market economist to evaluate this or just wing it and probably fuck it up royally. They have complicated housing on such a massive scale the potential issues are hard to even wrap one's head around.
Anyway, I'm just going to speculate on prices for funsies.
Row Lot: 7.5k, Row Buildings: 5k Village Lot: 15k, Village Buildings: 2.5k - 5k Town Lot: 35k, Town Buildings: 5k - 7.5k City Lot: 100k, City Buildings: 10k
Obviously I'm just kind of making shit up here, but I looked on SotA gold selling sites to find out what gold is selling for. You can buy 10k gold for $136.29 (or around there) on most of the gold selling sites. I just took the real $ value from the add-on store and calculated the comparable cost if one were to purchase from a gold seller. Who knows what the market will be like, but right now, the numbers above would be somewhat close (though rounded up a bit, as I assume they'd prefer to encourage real world money to be spent on housing over in game currency and as such will slightly inflate in game currency costs for lots/structures) to the real world dollars they are selling for in the add-on store.
I'm willing to accept that these numbers may be absurd.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 21:33:55 GMT
Why the hell would anyone pay real cash for gold when it gets wiped? That makes no sense. What am I missing?
I think housing will be far more expensive and a stupid setup to get it. No clue how much it might cost, but I don't plan to hang around to find out either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 21:48:05 GMT
fuckin psychotic... ur poor "husband"
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Post by Caliya on Jul 30, 2015 22:07:00 GMT
fuckin psychotic... ur poor "husband" Awww, did you get butthurt over my comments? lol
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Post by dodgy on Jul 30, 2015 23:27:24 GMT
fuckin psychotic... ur poor "husband" Awww, did you get butthurt over my comments? lol You are kinda vocal
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 1:43:25 GMT
I can't imagine what gold will be worth in game, or how that will change over time. I'd be more interested in how we're going to be able to buy houses. Yeah, I kind of tanked the question in my post. It is clear we have no idea the value of gold, especially as it is likely to just be available for purchase(according to Starr) on the Web Store. Process is the key here as you said!
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 1:49:58 GMT
Awww, did you get butthurt over my comments? lol You are kinda vocal But she is right, why would anyone do that. If it is happing it is sickening since the people selling the gold are getting it from the Devs via handout... I doubt anyone is buying it, if you are, fucking stop you dump twats. The costing will have to be worked out in a long term beta. We keep hearing how close they are but I seriously doubt they've got this worked out, unless someone there is an economy genius for a night job. To do this properly, they would need at least %50 of the people who backed the game to get in on the beta for that balance. Otherwise the release Episode 1 is actually going to be our economy beta and be constantly adjusted pissing everyone off on both sides.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 31, 2015 2:27:06 GMT
Awww, did you get butthurt over my comments? lol You are kinda vocal And 4 is not?
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Post by dodgy on Jul 31, 2015 2:35:01 GMT
You are kinda vocal And 4 is not? I don't care about 4.
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Post by nemolives on Jul 31, 2015 9:27:46 GMT
Obviously I'm just kind of making shit up here, but I looked on SotA gold selling sites to find out what gold is selling for. You can buy 10k gold for $136.29 (or around there) on most of the gold selling sites. I just took the real $ value from the add-on store and calculated the comparable cost if one were to purchase from a gold seller. Who knows what the market will be like, but right now, the numbers above would be somewhat close (though rounded up a bit, as I assume they'd prefer to encourage real world money to be spent on housing over in game currency and as such will slightly inflate in game currency costs for lots/structures) to the real world dollars they are selling for in the add-on store. I'm willing to accept that these numbers may be absurd. The figures you quoted are around 1/2 to 1/4 of the prices they were testing in R19. I have no idea what they are set at in R20. With their current player owned towns now making a complete mockery of their "limited home spaces" policy (because why think through your design changes when there is CASH MONEY to grab?) the sensible thing would be to drop costs and at least try and keep the average player invested by letting them have a home somewhere at least... that is, if you can get the 1% snobs to let your pauper ass live there without grovelling to them. One player offered to give me his Royal Frigate if I'd invest in his PoT and help him roleplay out it's history. As I expected to pay hundreds of dollars to get one otherwise, that wasn't a bad deal, as such. And I don't blame him personally, he was just looking to help us both out. But god did it feel skeevy in general, because it meant tying my game time and even style up for months or even years to come, just to get access to a home type I really wanted. Can you imagine then the DRAMA that's going to evolve around housing because the Dev team are too short sighted to see design still needs to come before funding?
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Post by dewderonomy on Jul 31, 2015 13:53:55 GMT
I can't wait to see when there's general drama in these POTs and people end up moving out or getting evicted with real plots and money on the line.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 14:42:23 GMT
The land will run pink with carebear tears.
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Post by Blake Blackstone on Jul 31, 2015 15:10:44 GMT
You can always move to the safe and secure utopia of Blackstone Bluff! lolz.
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blackstonebluff.com
Seriously tho, no gathering wood for guilds or having to attend meetings. Just grab a place and live in a cool city!
If I need to pitch you a couple of advertising bucks IM, let me know!
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 31, 2015 15:15:01 GMT
Give me your crown after E1 release, biggest lot with a castle on it, and smack LB in the ass for me next time you sit down for dinner with him and I'll come park my green ass at your place.
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Post by Caliya on Jul 31, 2015 19:39:02 GMT
You can always move to the safe and secure utopia of Blackstone Bluff! lolz. Shameless Plug: blackstonebluff.com Seriously tho, no gathering wood for guilds or having to attend meetings. Just grab a place and live in a cool city! If I need to pitch you a couple of advertising bucks IM, let me know! With as large as your guild is right now, why hasn't your city filled up by now?
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 31, 2015 20:20:27 GMT
I have no idea what pricing for houses will be as there has been almost nothing said on this subject, or anything economy related really. I'll guess that prices will be atleast 3x or more of what argyle posted, I highly doubt anything will go for as cheap as those original numbers. All I can say is that they better get the housing available for purchase in game without any gimmicks attached, housing will probably be the only reason anyone will play this game for longer than the storyline.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 1, 2015 1:57:49 GMT
I have no idea what pricing for houses will be as there has been almost nothing said on this subject, or anything economy related really. I'll guess that prices will be atleast 3x or more of what argyle posted, I highly doubt anything will go for as cheap as those original numbers. All I can say is that they better get the housing available for purchase in game without any gimmicks attached, housing will probably be the only reason anyone will play this game for longer than the storyline. Yeah I was thinking the same thing, if they keep going with prices that are anything near as low as they have now, there is a chance they will run out of housing very quickly. Also what is to stop multiple house playing bandits from buying 10 with funny money drawn in from guilds? Like: two newbs join carebear guild carebear guild holds hot tub fund raiser for carebears while they blow bubbles into the hot tub carebear guild hands over 1mil gold to each carebear newbs carebear newbs go get house lots What would a non guilded newb do? How is that poor fuck going to ever survive and have a chance in hell of getting a house? I bet Portalarium are going to handle that problem just about as well as they have everything else!
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Post by Housewife British on Aug 1, 2015 7:01:33 GMT
I see them setting in game prices high enough that would influence people to buy houses from the pay to win store too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 10:09:21 GMT
No clue how much it might cost, but I don't plan to hang around to find out either. Just commenting how concerned the dumb slut is about the game... Yet she comments negatively on it consistently and wants nothing to do with it. Her husband needs a 9 and a bullet. On topic: It's pointless to be concerned with people buying eye candy... It funds the game, pays staff and keeps the bills paid. Now if people were buying 'skill balls' like they had in UO, bought items that had extra damage or defense boost and bought gold with cash... We'd be talkin. Let m'fuckers have their focking trees, bushes, clothes, radios and pretty houses and outhouses.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 1, 2015 15:01:56 GMT
No clue how much it might cost, but I don't plan to hang around to find out either. Yet she comments negatively on it consistently and wants nothing to do with it. I've been spewing much longer than she has!
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Aug 1, 2015 15:04:31 GMT
4lolz with everything you've seen, you don't expect that shit to come in soon?
First, it will be damage against PvE entities, pop our cherry reallllllll slowwwwwwww like, and then they'll move for the special weapon powders that will fuck everything up.
But houses aren't pointless when it comes to Port making money and people playing the game over time.
I'm quite interested in the process Port is going to use to allow people to buy houses. Should make for some funnnnn times.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 1, 2015 18:10:17 GMT
No clue how much it might cost, but I don't plan to hang around to find out either. Just commenting how concerned the dumb slut is about the game... Yet she comments negatively on it consistently and wants nothing to do with it. Her husband needs a 9 and a bullet. You know, you come in here calling me the most berating names you can possibly find, insult me for every single thing I say, are downright suggesting violence, and yet people don't call out that BS when you do it as a guy, but if I flip you shit back and not even as bad as you, somehow I'm deserving of a bullet. Or they "feel sorry for my husband." Well I feel sorry for any woman who comes within 10 feet of your behavior towards women because I don't see these kind of things said towards the men here. Listen, my husband would never think to talk to me the way you do, nor would I ever talk to him the way I do to you. We mutually respect each other. But if some asshole is going to flip me shit, you better believe I'm going to flip it back. You get what you deserve. I could say you probably don't even have a partner because if any woman would put up with your behavior, I think she'd shoot herself first if that's all the men that were left in the world.
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Post by dewderonomy on Aug 1, 2015 18:16:25 GMT
No clue how much it might cost, but I don't plan to hang around to find out either. Just commenting how concerned the dumb slut is about the game... Yet she comments negatively on it consistently and wants nothing to do with it. Her husband needs a 9 and a bullet. On topic: It's pointless to be concerned with people buying eye candy... It funds the game, pays staff and keeps the bills paid. Now if people were buying 'skill balls' like they had in UO, bought items that had extra damage or defense boost and bought gold with cash... We'd be talkin. Let m'fuckers have their focking trees, bushes, clothes, radios and pretty houses and outhouses. I'll just leave this here: Sore Losers: Study Finds ‘Poor-Performing’ Male Gamers Turn Sexist, Abusive To Better Female Gamers Online
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Post by nemolives on Aug 1, 2015 18:41:21 GMT
Just commenting how concerned the dumb slut is about the game... Yet she comments negatively on it consistently and wants nothing to do with it. Her husband needs a 9 and a bullet. You know, you come in here calling me the most berating names you can possibly find, insult me for every single thing I say, are downright suggesting violence, and yet people don't call out that BS when you do it as a guy, but if I flip you shit back and not even as bad as you, somehow I'm deserving of a bullet. Or they "feel sorry for my husband." Well I feel sorry for any woman who comes within 10 feet of your behavior towards women because I don't see these kind of things said towards the men here. Listen, my husband would never think to talk to me the way you do, nor would I ever talk to him the way I do to you. We mutually respect each other. But if some asshole is going to flip me shit, you better believe I'm going to flip it back. You get what you deserve. I could say you probably don't even have a partner because if any woman would put up with your behavior, I think she'd shoot herself first if that's all the men that were left in the world. I'm not calling him out because he's a guy, I'm ignoring him and a few other posters because he's clearly just saying anything to try and get a rise out of you and everyone else. It should go without saying that his (and few others) comments are out of line, and you have my sympathy.
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Post by Caliya on Aug 1, 2015 18:51:42 GMT
You know, you come in here calling me the most berating names you can possibly find, insult me for every single thing I say, are downright suggesting violence, and yet people don't call out that BS when you do it as a guy, but if I flip you shit back and not even as bad as you, somehow I'm deserving of a bullet. Or they "feel sorry for my husband." Well I feel sorry for any woman who comes within 10 feet of your behavior towards women because I don't see these kind of things said towards the men here. Listen, my husband would never think to talk to me the way you do, nor would I ever talk to him the way I do to you. We mutually respect each other. But if some asshole is going to flip me shit, you better believe I'm going to flip it back. You get what you deserve. I could say you probably don't even have a partner because if any woman would put up with your behavior, I think she'd shoot herself first if that's all the men that were left in the world. I'm not calling him out because he's a guy, I'm ignoring him and a few other posters because he's clearly just saying anything to try and get a rise out of you and everyone else. It should go without saying that his (and few others) comments are out of line, and you have my sympathy. I will be ignoring him from now on.
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Post by titsup on Aug 1, 2015 19:04:30 GMT
I see them setting in game prices high enough that would influence people to buy houses from the pay to win store too. This was sort of what I was getting at with my original post of prices, only I was basing it off the gold selling sites. Obviously, who knows if anyone is buying from those sites to create any real market value for them to set for real money gold transactions anyway. I definitely agree though, I think they'll price them at a point where it would be a better value to purchase with real money than in game gold. I won't blame them for that, they'll sort of need to to keep from completely alienating backers. Its the degree to which that occurs that I think is the real question. Of the original 22,234 backers who actually were receiving a copy of the game (88 were at the $5 level), only 4.5% were at a level that would give them a home (Ancestor and up). Even if that's changed, man, that's a huge percentage of backers who might be hoping to acquire a home by means other than real money. I actually didn't realize that percentage was so low coming out of the kickstarter. My numbers were admittedly way off. I sold off my account long ago, so I have literally no idea of the value of gold in that game and even if I did now, the current game economy has no bearing on what the future game economy will look like.
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Post by nemolives on Aug 1, 2015 19:24:05 GMT
I see them setting in game prices high enough that would influence people to buy houses from the pay to win store too. This was sort of what I was getting at with my original post of prices, only I was basing it off the gold selling sites. Obviously, who knows if anyone is buying from those sites to create any real market value for them to set for real money gold transactions anyway. I definitely agree though, I think they'll price them at a point where it would be a better value to purchase with real money than in game gold. I won't blame them for that, they'll sort of need to to keep from completely alienating backers. Its the degree to which that occurs that I think is the real question. Of the original 22,234 backers who actually were receiving a copy of the game (88 were at the $5 level), only 4.5% were at a level that would give them a home (Ancestor and up). Even if that's changed, man, that's a huge percentage of backers who might be hoping to acquire a home by means other than real money. I actually didn't realize that percentage was so low coming out of the kickstarter. My numbers were admittedly way off. I sold off my account long ago, so I have literally no idea of the value of gold in that game and even if I did now, the current game economy has no bearing on what the future game economy will look like.
The real worth is going to be in Gold itself, assuming the game has a healthy economy (which I don't expect it will) because below Ancestor any property you own is supposed to have a monthly tax upon it. So you need Gold for that. And the lot itself? Well, the recent changes to Pledge Rewards was to try and force people into upgrading NOW NOW NOW because if you don't, you'll lose all the spare lots and Property you would otherwise have had... so they won't be on the market either. Thus in order to satiate the 1% they've wrecked player trading in Property, you'll have to buy a home and lot from an NPC. Which requires Gold again. Will that Gold price be low? If you want to keep the playerbase, I'd assume so. They need to have some sort of realistic time-scale to get it in. BUT! You and I both know that will upset the 1% again; In Release 19, a Village lot (just the lot) was 60,000 gold. I was nowhere near that with all my play time and testing... but people on the forums were asking that it be raised even higher. So I'm expecting it'll be set very high. Because Portalarium seems to have forgotten how to keep funding a game and designing a game separate.
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Post by titsup on Aug 1, 2015 19:35:53 GMT
Yeah, agree with all that. The only reason I factored in the price of RMT gold was because is one can simply purchase 10,000 gold for say $25, it would essentially make it far cheaper to purchase property at release by paying $150 for that Village plot buying gold from an outside source. I imagined that would piss people off who backed at a far higher $ amount prior to release for the same piece of property.
Though, if those complaints would happen to file in, we could regurgitate that tired line that you are paying to back the production of a game and not specifically for the virtual goods. The problem is, Port has completely invalidated that, as you stated pretty elegantly:
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