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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 15, 2015 3:51:15 GMT
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Post by kb on Jul 15, 2015 8:07:17 GMT
I've seen all this shit unfold real-time that you guys have been discussing/posting. Makes me so fucking sick I can't even stomach to keep paying attention anymore. I have real shit to deal with in life right now, and seeing Katrina/Starr/Whoever the fuck patting the devs on the back for doing something 5 months after MANY of us told them their approach to Steam Reviews was all wrong is maddening. If you think Port are geniuses for taking 5+ months to figure out they are fucking idiots when it comes to Steam Reviews (after being told as much by the community they love to ostracize and ignore), then you are as stupid as they are, Katrina... I just don't have the fight in me anymore. I'm at a GungaDin type spot where it's time just to move on. SotA is doomed, their shady shit and way of rationalizing stupidity will catch up to them eventually, even if they can prevent the game from falling to "mixed." They don't deserve our interest anymore, so I'm moving on. I have many other things to devote my time to, some of which are far more depressing and difficult, but I still feel less sleazy dealing with that RL shit that crushes my soul than in seeing the devs and their lackeys shit all over us. Also, to Myrcello (and the assholes in the " mixed reviews" discussion on Steam's forum who bring up reviews complaining SotA is not Skyrim 2/etc), get real. ANYBODY can cherry-pick negative reviews like that that are bullshit, just like we could go around cherry-picking ridiculous positive reviews that are total shit. I know this is about a thread linked elsewhere, but Myrcello is so wrong to link to all those pictures of bullshit Steam Reviews for other games as if that is an example of anything. MOST of those had a usefulness rating of like 25%. There is a reason they were down-voted: People could see they were bullshit and not helpful. It doesn't justify removing/hiding reviews. And yes, Starr is full of shit that they've only removed 2 reviews. I've watched those reviews daily and just today, total number of reviews went from 527 to 526, with a review that had many links to pledge prices/details being removed/hidden/whatever. I think the poster of that review didn't realize that Ancestor pledge was now available (as lowest dollar amount for tax-free lot), so Starr/Port probably used that slight inaccuracy as grounds to axe the whole fucking negative review (instead of making a comment on it clarifying that one minor point that didn't actually discredit the broader point that the review poster was making). myrcello and the rest: You deserve the flaming pile of shit you're going to get because you have no spine and you don't stand up for what is right when presented every indication that the devs are not being honest or dealing with critics fairly. So many of us criticized Port's actions and practices coming from a place of genuine concern, and it was only after being fucked with that we exploded and went off the rails. An example of this... on their recent R19 Hangout, I made the comment: Here's the actual comment I made (7 months ago). You can BET that nothing was ever done about it: ^If you look through their videos, you will see my lame ass talking them up repeatedly and oozing with positive sentiments... and when I made legit suggestions, like not putting a fucking lightbulb right against a painting that is important to Ultima history, totally ignored. They NEVER interact with YT comments. They never give credit where credit is due to those of us who have made useful suggestions like that, or who advised that they don't request positive reviews like Starr did, or suggested that they don't treat us all like trolls when we are in fact just concerned backers. Instead, they call us trolls and rewarded their shitty volunteer mods for removing post after post by people like Caliya (and banning people who are otherwise legit supporters of the game). Sorry, I know I am all over the place with this post, but I genuinely am tired of following SotA. It just makes me feel sick and I haven't been feeling well enough health-wise to feel even worse on top of RL shit from reading these kinds of bullshit posts by Katrina and Starr and Myrcello. You guys think you're perfect? Have fucking fun in your wannabe Second Life game. I'm done. Maybe I'll encounter some of the friendly souls who post here somewhere out there in other games. This shit isn't worth my time or the effort it takes to give a fuck. They can't say we never tried. It still makes me sick to be called a troll and treated like a persona non gratis for speaking truth to power. You sycophants are everything that is wrong with the gaming industry, not a few bad eggs who write bullshit negative (AND POSITIVE) reviews!!!!!!!
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Post by kb on Jul 15, 2015 8:09:00 GMT
P.S. "Insults are not tolerated".... name-calling is a big no-no. Unless you are Katrina and speaking in favor of the devs/game, and then there is a total double standard and comments about ankle-biters and shit is A-OK <-- THIS is the type of shit that made me so angry over time that I went from being a legit supporter to the game to a very angry detractor of it.
Fuck all you Port water carriers. You are all scum in my eyes, but I know you don't give a shit about the opinions of anybody outside of your little circle jerk of jerks.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 15, 2015 8:16:09 GMT
All good KB. But on that painting thing, good suggestion btw I love Exodus, RG himself has stated several times most of them were pulled out of cardboard boxes in his garage. A lot of stuff was in ruins, and some of it was restored amateurishly. That just goes to show you, those paintings are just there for us and not them.
If RG doesn't respect Ultima and it's history we can expect that, and the same emulated behaviour from the rest of the team.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 15, 2015 8:18:47 GMT
P.S. "Insults are not tolerated".... name-calling is a big no-no. Unless you are Katrina and speaking in favor of the devs/game, and then there is a total double standard and comments about ankle-biters and shit is A-OK <-- THIS is the type of shit that made me so angry over time that I went from being a legit supporter to the game to a very angry detractor of it. Fuck all you Port water carriers. You are all scum in my eyes, but I know you don't give a shit about the opinions of anybody outside of your little circle jerk of jerks. Yeah, that is the thing. The shit flows down their legs, not up. You can smash the PKs and negative reviewers, you can't the Carebears and positive reviewers. That has been a lot of my problem since the start, the fucking tosser moderators backing up that sort of bullshit and themselves just a pack of racist fucktards who don't know anything about moderation or professionalism. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 15, 2015 9:30:11 GMT
Yet still in reviews I have found (one as late as 26th May) they try to sell SOTA as UO2
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Post by grimgryphon on Jul 15, 2015 12:47:57 GMT
ANYBODY can cherry-pick negative reviews like that that are bullshit, just like we could go around cherry-picking ridiculous positive reviews that are total shit. Well remember, they learned it from their keepers: HEY PORTALAURIUM!!! Here's a video of how you make fun of members of your community when they've actually done something wrong, you fucking amateurs.
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Post by Myrcello on Jul 15, 2015 14:00:23 GMT
Hi KB. I hope you are able to disconnect this post i am doing from SotA. I know this is very hard for some of you. I removed that thread by the way. Because it has nothing to do with SotA. I dislike the Review System as itself on Steam. - The Early Access Review System. I regard it highly abusable from all side. It is a System that needs alot of improvement to be a far more reliable source for us Users and Developers both. I am sorry that you did not understand the purpose of it. And just because i post on all kinds of Forums, including the SotA Forum should not be a reason to judge my personality or anything at all. If you all have anything to say about me - do it directly to me. You know my Steam Account. Give me your complains, your opinions against me. I am happy to respond to it. And discuss it.
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Post by Myrcello on Jul 15, 2015 14:37:51 GMT
So any able to talk about there opinion about the Steam Early Access Review System in general.
I have made a deep dive into it.
1. Curators have abused the Review System in history. 2. Early Access is fast and changing - Reviews in Early Access should have a decay - by the way probably would be not good for SotA - but still i think Early Access Reviews should decay as Games are under development and changing ongoing 3. Game Developers have abused the Steam Review System - Articles can be found. 4. Steam had to implement 5 Dollar Requirement to reduce the abuse of the Review System from Players Side.
And this was what i am trying to point out also on the other Forum. But just as some missunderstand my purpose here - that i want to defend Sota.
I have the same problem on the other Forum - that some mean i want to attack SotA with such post.
So basically i need a complete new neutral Forum. This Forum is not neutral, the other one also not.
Maybe i need to go to Reddit.
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Post by Myrcello on Jul 15, 2015 15:18:16 GMT
And as this is all very exhausting for me also. To know every-time i post something on the Forum , that all and everything gets judged, checked and judged like some political party.
I am taking a break of SotA now. No more Forum Posts from my side. I am done.
I would wish we would all be able to remove our masks, i mean truly. Not our Forum Names. I mean our true mask, meet in real and with our true names and faces.
Because then most would talk different. All of use.
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Post by kb on Jul 15, 2015 15:19:53 GMT
Like I said, I'm done with this game. I cannot disconnect what you post on the official forums from the game because you are posting it on the official forums and you have repeatedly laid the blame of negative reviews on Steam, not on the game being shit shit shit. I know not all of the time, but I really do not feel like you (or many of the game's supporters) put themselves in the shoes of those of us who have been unfairly categorized as trolls. Sorry, but people abuse Amazon reviews (both buyers and sellers), but does that means we should just nix reviews on Amazon altogether? How about Yelp? Even with all their talk about making sure the reviews there are legit, there is still a lot of abuse both ways. Should Yelp shut down, no more reviews, and should I never read a review there again just because some of them are shams? NO! Instead of throwing out the baby with the bath water, I should just learn how to read between the lines and make an informed decision based upon the best evidence I have. Yet, Port and its supporters like Katrina want to blame it all on the terrible gamers of today being immature jerks, and not on the fact that the devs were GREEDY and pushed EA WAY TOO SOON!!!!!!!!!!
Stop blaming Steam, stop blaming the way they do reviews, and STOP BLAMING GAMERS for Port's bad decisions! I am not a fucking troll and I don't appreciate the attitude of those who blithely support Port and attribute every negative review as the byproduct of us being "disgruntled" trolls/etc. Oh, and I won't talk to you on Steam because what use is there to do that? I (and many others) have been shunned by the SotA community and too many good people who are intelligent have just let it slide because you guys care more about getting the most out of your "investment" than in standing up for what is right. I should not have been permabanned there, or on Steam's discussion boards, but permabanned is exactly what I am because the game is full of apologists who rationalize every problem away and hide behind a fake facade of unbiased neutrality. You're not neutral if you have never stood up to them to the point that they ban you. That is my stance now. If it means you think I am unfair and unreasonable, oh well. I was driven to this point by the Starr Long's and the Katrina Bekers of the world who shit all over what feedback I managed to give before being silenced. I called out Starr (and Dallas) from the start for the stupidity of the Steam Review Request. They were just waiting for me do something bannable so they could fuck me over. When I saw Blake Blackstone and his $60k customized PoT bullshit, I was already enraged about how the Steam Review Request stuff went, so I exploded. Starr/Chris/whoever used that as a pretext to "temp" ban me for over a month... until they were so kind to allow me to sell my account at a SUBSTANTIAL loss. Then, when I exploded at Katrina in the Steam forums for talking down to people (just as he has done repeatedly ever since), they used that as an excuse to permaban me there. First they came, but none of you fuckers care, so like I said before... you deserve the terrible game you're going to get because the game's foundation is built upon the sandy foundations of SYCOPHANCY and obsequiousness. I saw many, many good people like Lord Trenyc come to their senses and speak out against the bullshit that Port was pulling. It inspired me to find my own courage, my own reason, my own sense of integrity and to also stand up for what I believed was right. Others, who I believe are somewhat smart, have decided just to be silent and/or apologize for what Port does and cover up their bad calls with excuse after excuse. You talk about neutrality and expect me and others to deal with you fairly. Seriously, if you are not raging at Port at this point, you aren't dealing with US fairly because we've been fucked over and the Katrina Bekers of the "community" get away with insult after insult, while most of us were banned forever only because we stood up to Port about things that they are only now realizing we were right about. FIVE MONTHS ago I railed at Port about the Steam Review Request and now they finally put a disclaimer on Steam to stem the wave of negative reviews. Suddenly, Katrina thinks they are just such amazing devs for doing that. Five months ago, did Katrina REALLY push Port to see the error of their ways? No. He expressed some misgivings and then went on being silent about huge problems and snidely disregarding those of us who were too fed up to take it anymore. I'm ranting, and I'm biased BECAUSE I HAVE A FUCKING HEART AND SOUL AND I DON'T JUST ROLL OVER AND TAKE IT AND SAY THINGS IN PRIVATE THAT *NEED* TO BE SAID IN PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. This is a waste of time. It's a worthless game being created by DICKHEADS who care only for loyalists and don't realize that the true loyalty comes from those willing to stand up for what they believe and speak truth to power, despite the consequences. Call me biased and unreasonable all you like, like the Katrinas of the "community" likely would, but I've been 100% right about so much about what is wrong over there that I can't even think straight anymore because I'm sick and fucking tired of repeating myself about this shit. If you don't get it by now, you never will. And I won't say these words in private, ever, because I am not a duplicitous prick who acts one way in public and then plays a totally different persona in a private conversation. My only crime is that I wore my heart on my sleeve and Port (and its sycophantic backers) want fealty, not REAL honesty.
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Post by Mordecai on Jul 15, 2015 15:26:12 GMT
You will not find what you seek on Reddit Myrcello. Props for another level-headed civil post though. Kuno, you sound like a young Anakin complaining about Obi-Wan to Padme while she packs her things. "It's worse... he's overly critical. He never listens! He just doesn't understand! It's not fair!" I do respect your point though KB, but I've never been banned from any Port stuff.
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Post by kb on Jul 15, 2015 15:26:33 GMT
And to the dicks who surely won't "like" my post here, but they'll like yours because it's so reasonable and nice and fuzzy and special....
FUCK YOU TOO!
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Post by kb on Jul 15, 2015 15:27:06 GMT
See previous post, Mordecai.
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Post by Mordecai on Jul 15, 2015 16:05:35 GMT
Kuno, my old friend, it pains me to see you so full of anger. I fear the weasel has orchestrated your fall to the dark side. If only you had trusted in frog and his loyal snake companion, or at least heeded the warnings of bird.
Regardless of how you feel about SotA, writing another raging wall of text, where you rehash the same beaten points, will do no good. Passion is great (or it leads to the dark side), but if you don't consider what effect you're aiming for, you won't accomplish anything. Writing your heart onto the page is honest, I admit, but you do no good for anyone by writing a spiteful book about how you shouldn't have been banned. Who do you think you're reaching, slinging insults merely because Portalarium allegedly wronged you? Just because people aren't frothing at the mouth over Portalarium's shortcomings does not mean that they are oblivious to them.
If you truly wish to complain about neutrality, avoid ridiculous generalizations ("You're not neutral if you have never stood up to them to the point that they ban you."). If you really want to warn people to save them from your experiences, take a deep breath and focus your posts. And lastly, if you truly are done with SotA, cease your posting.
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Post by Dewderonomy on Jul 15, 2015 16:31:13 GMT
Well said, KB. SotA didn't earn our money as investors, but more importantly, never deserved our passion and loyalty.
They will reap what they sow.
I've had the pleasure of reading a lot of cool posts Myrcello made on the SotA forums, things specific to the gaming industry as a whole. I enjoy that element of the social and business interactions of developers and the industry as a whole. Those threads would quickly become three-sided, with some saying "X, Y and Z is why we need to have better combat mechanics/open PvP/less P2W" or whatever else to make SotA succeed; others would raise the banners to Starr's and Richard's infallibility; and many more would make neutral statements of "Interesting point" or just airy comments about community and working together, whatever it might be. Myrcello has often played all three sides in those threads, depending on the topic, and while I don't always agree with him, I don't find his posts to be blatantly one-side and biased.
I can understand the tendency to defend your investment - that's natural and is studied in every industry and social interaction. Look at abusive relationships, for crying out loud. For that, I don't blame Myrcello, and I appreciate he would bring in general topics of conversation to a community that otherwise argues on shitty game mechanics and collective cultism. It was refreshing. So no hate from me towards Myrcello - like Caliya, he'll speak his opinion, just without crossing any lines or pushing too hard against the status quo (which at SotA are cultists and fanatics, and here are a bunch of pissed off assholes lol).
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Post by 4theLOLZ on Jul 15, 2015 18:30:06 GMT
Well said, KB. SotA didn't earn our money as investors. $45 of your social security check can hardly be considered an investment. Technically, you have made no investment. Your dumbass got raped by some fucking plebeian... Sorry, didn't bother reading the rest of your sensless post... First thing I saw was blah, blah, *sniffle*, fucking blah...
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Post by kb on Jul 15, 2015 23:19:32 GMT
Well said, KB. SotA didn't earn our money as investors. $45 of your social security check can hardly be considered an investment. Technically, you have made no investment. Your dumbass got raped by some fucking plebeian... Sorry, didn't bother reading the rest of your sensless post... First thing I saw was blah, blah, *sniffle*, fucking blah... More like $1500 founder lord with over $500 in add-on bullshit, with around another $1500-$2000 in collectible beer glasses and imported beer from a Munich brewery sent to convince them to hear me out on the whole beer and wine should matter more to gameplay than just stupid visual effects... But yeah, thanks for reminding me what a fool I was/am. Mordecai -- you got it, man. Cya all later. Glhf
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 15, 2015 23:44:47 GMT
I'd like to see a good post made by Myrcello, all I've ever seen is delusional agenda pushing for the carebears spewing from his keyboard. He's one person that has made me question humanity, wondering how out of touch could someone really get. He definitely if one of the people ruining the game by pushing development the opposite direction of hardcore.
I know a lot of you yuppie city folk have been sheltered your whole life, are not used to anything harsh in life, that is completely different from how I live real life and would have no problem saying anything I do on here to anyone's face. It does kind of amaze me that even in today's society that certain people grow up so drastically different.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 15, 2015 23:49:13 GMT
And where in faggot shit balls has my other post here gone? did I get moderated or did you start a new thread? lul
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Post by Myrcello on Jul 15, 2015 23:55:32 GMT
I'd like to see a good post made by Myrcello, all I've ever seen is delusional agenda pushing for the carebears spewing from his keyboard. He's one person that has made me question humanity, wondering how out of touch could someone really get. He definitely if one of the people ruining the game by pushing development the opposite direction of hardcore. I know a lot of you yuppie city folk have been sheltered your whole life, are not used to anything harsh in life, that is completely different from how I live real life and would have no problem saying anything I do on here to anyone's face. It does kind of amaze me that even in today's society that certain people grow up so drastically different. I am actually getting bashed for promoting hardcore. Thx for not reading my posts but claiming i am against hardcore. I also requested a more harsh environment and tuffer NPC's I was against Lot restriction But just make a statement about me housewife i can easy crush with contend. But of course i also suggest more female clothing. Maybe thats what you mean. Sorry. Was not aware you only like pants in game.
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Post by dodgy on Jul 16, 2015 0:20:04 GMT
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Post by Myrcello on Jul 16, 2015 0:22:56 GMT
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Post by Myrcello on Jul 16, 2015 0:27:37 GMT
I did use those steamcharts.com myself a long time for stating that Sota has not many playing.
But you all can do it yourself. If you belong to Fangroups on Steam or other large Groups that own SotA you can direclty see how many of them are online and what everyone is playing at the moment.
All you have to do is compare the numbers with steamcharts, does not have to be SotA, you can use every other game. And you will get hardcore facts that it is delivering wrong numbers.
Again nothing about carebears or what you say. I am just warning about a Site givng wrong data.
Sorry.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 16, 2015 0:35:21 GMT
Well my bad than if you decided to hop off the bandwagon over to the hardcore side, seems like more than one person has decided to do this in the past while. I rarely read the shroud forums anymore unless something is posted here about it, so my opinion on you is based upon my experience with you a while ago. Even though I am within the main fanboy circle, just to keep tabs on everyone, I haven't paid much attention lately to that either. I don't really take in fanboys that have turned to the hardcore that well, seeing how I know the human nature, knowing that people rarely truly change. But yea, I'll take the time to read some of that stuff later.
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Post by Myrcello on Jul 16, 2015 0:44:05 GMT
Well my bad than if you decided to hop off the bandwagon over to the hardcore side, seems like more than one person has decided to do this in the past while. I rarely read the shroud forums anymore unless something is posted here about it, so my opinion on you is based upon my experience with you a while ago. Even though I am within the main fanboy circle, just to keep tabs on everyone, I haven't paid much attention lately to that either. I don't really take in fanboys that have turned to the hardcore that well, seeing how I know the human nature, knowing that people rarely truly change. But yea, I'll take the time to read some of that stuff later. I do understand the challenge of implending Full Loot and Hardcore as it makes it a easier platform of Harassment. So this is maybe where i am not hardcore enough for this Forum. So Rez- Kill , New Player bashing and such stuff are a challenge, and this is what i do not like. I just do not agree with many on the SotA Froum who claim that this means Hardcore is not an option or you scare aways the other 90% of players. I believe you can make a game world that works for all. Ulitma Online the early years did proove it. It just does not work the moment you want to please all gamers. It of course will always be niche.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 16, 2015 1:30:13 GMT
The problem with people not wanting the ability to res klll, steal, kill other players at will, or whatever it is that can frustrate others, is that these people generally don't want to play the game, they don't want to be good at a game, aren't generally a good gamer over all as much as they want to think differently, they are casuals and just want to log in wherever, be safe wherever, do what they want when they want it, they don't want to work for anything or get better, becoming a better player. For the hardcore's and I, the gamers that live it as a lifestyle, we need challenges, things to push us, things in game that require player active skill to overcome, we don't want to rely on mechanics to play the game for us, to keep us safe, we want our skill to be what accomplishes things. Ignore lists, blocking lists, whatever the list, all casual carebear mechanics, taking away experiences from the game. Shroud is so dumbed down to the casual level at the moment that I cannot lower my skill level as a gamer to even play it, it offers nothing for me, no challenges, nothing to push my boundaries, no excitement. I rarely see anyone in a half successful hardcore pvp game complaining that they want it less hardcore, the players are out there and the market is far bigger than what the casual carebears in shroud say it is. I don't even know how these people come to that conclusion when they rarely even game, all they really do is sit around and casual rp in trash games. As far as UO goes, they got it right when they first launched and for a while, than it got terrible around trammel, introducing all the easy mode mechanics. By far the most fun I had in UO was at the beginning where it was as hardcore as it could be. I think all these casuals that complain about most of this stuff have never even experienced it in the first place. Violation is a great example of this, this clown complained and shot down so much stuff, thinking that it was never something people would ever want, claiming all this crap. Now that the game shifted directions a couple times and things are in game that these type of people can actually get hands on experience with, they like it, just like how Violation raves about stuff now that he used to think he hated.
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Post by Housewife British on Jul 16, 2015 1:47:44 GMT
In UO I also was in one of the the most rurthless and biggest thief guilds around, I was always in the middle of random chaos, trying to stir up situations wherever. I can honestly say that throughout the majority of my UO time spent in hostile environments doing this kind of thief stuff that I never had anything stolen from me by a pickpocket. The point of me mentioning that is that so many casuals love to complain about pickpocketing, using UO as a reference to how out of control and unbalanced it can get. That is the biggest lie ever, there were mechanics put in place to defend against pickpocketing, the one's I used that made it possible for me to never of gotten pickpocketed. Yet these casual people were to lazy to play the game. to use what was provided to them to defend themselves, they choose to just cry about it, thinking if they cry enough it'll get removed. These are the type of people that don't want to play a game, they don't have the ability to become a decent gamer, they just want to say that they are part of a game to feel special.
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Post by Membrane_on_Vacation on Jul 16, 2015 4:53:07 GMT
I'd like to see a good post made by Myrcello, all I've ever seen is delusional agenda pushing for the carebears spewing from his keyboard. He's one person that has made me question humanity, wondering how out of touch could someone really get. He definitely if one of the people ruining the game by pushing development the opposite direction of hardcore. I know a lot of you yuppie city folk have been sheltered your whole life, are not used to anything harsh in life, that is completely different from how I live real life and would have no problem saying anything I do on here to anyone's face. It does kind of amaze me that even in today's society that certain people grow up so drastically different. I am actually getting bashed for promoting hardcore. I haven't yet properly bashed you about pretending to be a woman when you first signed up to SotA forum But I was right when I called you on it many years ago now, damn, it has been such a long time and we still don't have a game to play. WTF!
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Post by 4theLOLZ on Jul 16, 2015 5:15:06 GMT
damn, it has been such a long time and we still don't have a game to play. WTF! WTF do you mean!?! Your white flag has been thrown a long time ago... You and the 4 others bash RG, bash SotA, hate the game & belive it has no future... Yet you still cry like a little bitch... Get over it... Typical psychotic type that stalks a girl after she's broke it off 5 years ago & has been slammed by 100s of dudes... You like them sloppy seconds dont you IM? Lololol
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